State vs. Jason Lynn Young 2-24-2012

[gracielee]

I think that investigators should have gone to all the places that Jason visited and collected surveillance images. .

Ya know, that would have been a great idea, had JLY *met with* the detectives and told them where he'd been. But since he didn't, I doubt there4 are many 'mind readers' in the detective bureau.

 

[Cammy]

Thank you Grammy Jean

I am glad to hear the jury took their time to review/view the evidence. Did they linger on anything in particular?

I can not get over how empty the courtroom has been for this trial.

I understood last time cause the Casey Anthony trial was going on.

Maybe it will pick up some for the defense and closing arguements,
but there just have not been that many people there.

Even with In Sessions and more of the media being there this time.
Strange.

 

[happy2binNC]

I mentioned earlier I was in court all day. An interesting tid bit. After BC was excused and the jury began their review of evidence, there was a lot of whispering between Klink and JY. I so wish I could read lips. I will say JY's expressions while whispering were quite animated. I found it to be very chilly in the courtroom but Klink was sweating and fanning himself a lot. Again very impressed with jury as they diligently viewed evidence for 3 hours and 20 minutes with no lunch or potty break!

Klink was sweating and fanning himself when I was there on Tuesday too, and I too thought it was cold in the courtroom.

Any jurors in particular you found to be interesting? There is an African-American male in the front row who was nodding off when I was there (the first half of JLY's videotaped testimony).

 

[Just the Fax]

Investigators still had a responsibility to request all the clothing if they want to argue that clothing is missing.

They are arguing 2 items of clothing are missing ...HP shoes and a zip top shirt. The PT made a compelling argument. Just because the defense said otherwise does not mean that is what the jury will latch on to.
I thought the defense line of questioning on the subject was lame.

 

[MyBelle]

I think that investigators should have gone to all the places that Jason visited and collected surveillance images. The fact that they didn't collect the clothes that Jason was wearing when he returned to Raleigh, and did not request the clothes that Jason was wearing at any time after the murder, is a problem since the prosecution is now arguing that certain clothes are missing. Clothes may be missing and they may not be, but it cannot be concluded that clothes were missing when not all of the clothes were requested and collected.

I doubt the jury ignores the fact that cops didn't start looking for the clothes until more than a year later and after he had moved. Or that there were hundreds of shoes made in the color brown, black and suede plus knockoffs but no proof the shoe print came from a brown shoe...or that there is no proof it was on Jason's foot when the print was made.

When the state's most compelling evidence consists of things such as random rocks, clothes that they failed to look for in a timely fashion and gas store video they gathered and then failed to show to their brain-damaged witness, you know the next thing to come will the vigilantes screaming about the jury not having common sense. LOL.

 

[otto]

Klink was sweating and fanning himself when I was there on Tuesday too, and I too thought it was cold in the courtroom.

Any jurors in particular you found to be interesting? There is an African-American male in the front row who was nodding off when I was there (the first half of JLY's videotaped testimony).

Are any of the other heavy people that are working dressed lightly in the chilly room?

 

[Bottle Cap]

Investigators still had a responsibility to request all the clothing if they want to argue that clothing is missing.

But its easy to argue that all the clothing is missing, when he wasn't wearing it and it wasn't in his vehicle or luggage. Nor was it at his mom's house or at the hotel, it was nowhere that JY had been.

Are there other options for where it might be?

 

[borndem]

On another board someone was bringing up the trip back to Raleigh from Brevard the day of (after) the murder. They couldn't believe they stopped at Applebee's. That had never really sunk into me! Seriously! OMG! "Jason Young your wife has just been murdered in your home and your toddler daughter was with her dead body for hours, what are YOU going to do?" "I'ma head to Applebee's for one of them $14.99 3 course combos! Ding-dang, y'all!" Seriously shaking my head...

"And then I'll top it all off with a big fat cee-gar! Ooooo-weeeee! Don't worry, Mama, I'll go out in the parking lot." says JY.

 

[otto]

But its easy to argue that all the clothing is missing, when he wasn't wearing it and it wasn't in his vehicle or luggage. Nor was it at his mom's house or at the hotel, it was nowhere that JY had been.

Are there other options for where it might be?

The first option is that investigators gather evidence, and if clothing is going to be used as evidence then they sure better do their job and request all of it.

 

[happy2binNC]

Are any of the other heavy people that are working dressed lightly in the chilly room?

The only other person I'd consider on the heavy side is maybe the court reporter. She was dressed normally when I was there. I'm not reading anything into Klink's sweating, merely pointing out that it happened on another day too. It may be normal for him. Some people are just naturally hot, particularly if they carry extra weight. I don't think it signifies anything.

 

[Cammy]

But its easy to argue that all the clothing is missing, when he wasn't wearing it and it wasn't in his vehicle or luggage. Nor was it at his mom's house or at the hotel, it was nowhere that JY had been.

Are there other options for where it might be?

Yep.........

 

[Bottle Cap]

The first option is that investigators gather evidence, and if clothing is going to be used as evidence then they sure better do their job and request all of it.

How can you gather evidence that no longer exists?

Do you really really really think that the two things - shoes and shirt - that would exonerate JY - are stashed away somewhere, and have been sat upon during two trials for a man's very life?

 

[Landonsmom02]

I mentioned earlier I was in court all day. An interesting tid bit. After BC was excused and the jury began their review of evidence, there was a lot of whispering between Klink and JY. I so wish I could read lips. I will say JY's expressions while whispering were quite animated. I found it to be very chilly in the courtroom but Klink was sweating and fanning himself a lot. Again very impressed with jury as they diligently viewed evidence for 3 hours and 20 minutes with no lunch or potty break!

Everytime I have been in that courtroom I was freezing. It is always cold in there but Klink seems to always be sweating. Maybe he is worried he client is going to prison??

 

[Bottle Cap]

Yep.........

Do tell.

ETA: or don't! I'm going to get a very large glass of well-earned gin!

 

[Landonsmom02]

I can not get over how empty the courtroom has been for this trial.

I understood last time cause the Casey Anthony trial was going on.

Maybe it will pick up some for the defense and closing arguements,
but there just have not been that many people there.

Even with In Sessions and more of the media being there this time.
Strange.

Not true. It has been pretty full. People are always coming and going, plus it is a small courtroom.

 

[Cammy]

Do tell.

Lot of different explanations.......

LE knew they had his car and all the contents, and if it wasn't there, why would they bother to issue a s/warrant for it a year or so later?

 

[gitana1]

The jurors down in Florida did not let Casey Anthony walk. Just because you can't agree with their verdict doesn't mean their verdict was wrong or that Jason Young is guilty.

There was testimony at the last trial that the stop was to obtain the phone number of an attorney. Imagine that! A suggestion to obtain an attorney followed by an actual attempt to contact a competent one.

JMO

I'm an attorney. So I know how to analyze evidence and the presentation of a case. I do not know one other attorney or competent legal analyst or expert who watched that case who was not gobsmacked by the Pinellas decision. It was shocking. Even the judge was terribly shocked. I could tell because I also know how to read normally impassive judges since you have to, if you litigate, in order to know when to shut your mouth or when to continue on with an argument. Judge Perry's look when he got that verdict form said it all. I knew then that we were likely screwed. He rifled quickly through the form, trying in vain to find a "guilty" verdict somewhere significant. Every criminal defense attorney I know was shocked. And not because they are so used to losing, but because they felt the case was solid.

No, I just wouldn't characterize it as just a couple of people with a simple disagreement about something, like say religion, or politics. That was a verdict that has had experts in the field scratching their heads for months.

But my opinion as to the reasonableness of the casey anthony juror's decision indeed has nothing to do with whether Jason Young is guilty or not. Nor did I intimate that. Instead, I stated that just because jurors in his past trial rendered a certain decision, does not mean that the decision was a reasonable one. casey anthony's case and oj's case are examples of jurors dropping the ball. Not just to me, but to millions.

I have not analyzed all the evidence in this case and I have not watched the trials, so I cannot be definitive here. However, the little I have read/heard indicates to me that Jason Young had the motive, opportunity and means to commit this crime, his behavior afterwards points to consciousness of guilt, and very important, no one else has been found by either LE or Jason's defense investigators, who fits the bill as he does. In fact, not even close. So, my gut thus far is he is guilty.

But the prosecution needs to prove its case and rebut any defense before my gut becomes my belief and I need to spend a bit more time doing what you all have done researching this case, before my opinion as to his guilt and the juror's ultimate decision can be credible to any degree. :twocents:

 

[Cammy]

Not true. It has been pretty full. People are always coming and going, plus it is a small courtroom.

I watched every day, lots of empty seats.
In Sessions commented on the same thing..
A trial that started here today in NJ has a huge courtroom packed and overflowing,
people waiting and trying to get in, and wall to wall people standing in the back of the courtroom, and it's not even a murder trial.
Beth Karras is here covering it, she left the Young trial for this.

 

[Grammy Jean]

But its easy to argue that all the clothing is missing, when he wasn't wearing it and it wasn't in his vehicle or luggage. Nor was it at his mom's house or at the hotel, it was nowhere that JY had been.

Are there other options for where it might be?

Maybe LE took it and discarded it since they belived JY was their man; you know like LE planted that google map on BC's computer

 

[gracielee]

I'm amazed at the number of disparaging remarks directed towards Gracie and her *memory*, compared with the amount of misstatements about the facts of this case on these boards. How anyone can refer to Gracie as 'brain damaged' & 'having memory issues' after reading the continual mis-stating of the evidence here alludes me.