State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-7-12

[passionflower]

JVMitchell, baby WILL remember this when she is older!
PLEASE courts DO NOT give that baby girl to her father if he gets free!

 

[Cammy]

Why would anyone not believe that Cassidy was in the room with Michelle when Meredith had to remove her from the room while she was on the phone with 911?

As far as Jason having no alibi...his alibi is that he was away on business, which is backed up by evidence that he was at the hotel. The burden is on the prosecution to show that he left to commit the murder and the only evidence they have that he ever left the hotel grounds is the gas station clerk which...is flimsy at best. It didn't convince the first jury and it probably won't convince the second either.

Jason's alibi, which was never discredited by the prosecutor, is likely the biggest reason why 8/12 jurors voted not guilty in the first trial.

Welcome, Fromageball............

Yep, the gas station attendant's ID of Jason is flimsy at best.

 

[Cammy]

After very many hours of reviewing the first trial testimony, well need I say more?

Here I sit :fence:. Wondering what could possibly be presented this time that was not presented in the 'abbreviated' trial? Still wondering why the state would take short cuts? It only took like forever for them to arrest their man, after-all.

Could it be that we have our answers soon?

I sure hope so.

I will never understand why Gracie was not enough to arrest Jason in the beginning.

Why no arrest if this witness is credible?

I am confident in the defense team, one of them Mike Klinkosum, was able to free a man who had been in jail for about 16 years, wrongly accused, and Bryan Collins wants to be a Judge when this case is over..

 

[thumbtack]

Were the 2 different footprints different sizes? I know if it was Jason he could have worn both to throw people off.

 

[Cammy]

I'm not sure if Jason did it or not but I thought the prosecution had a really weak case for the first trial. If Jason didn't do this, I think it is most likely that someone who at least knew them(friend/acquaintance/whatever) is probably the killer. Mostly because it was testified that Michelle's friend felt creeped out, like someone was watching them when she left.

So maybe it was a friend or acquaintance turned stalker. I don't think it was random simply because the person clearly targeted Michelle and didn't take much. Maybe it was a person with a grudge against Jason and wanted to frame him for it.

I don't think it was a burglary because the burglar could have taken tons of stuff from downstairs without harming anyone. Or even if the burglar killed Michelle, seems like they would have taken more if that were the purpose.

I don't know...it's totally bizarre imo. What upsets me is that it doesn't seem like a very thorough investigation was done into Michelle's death. There are so many unanswered questions and missing information. DNA evidence, two sets of foot prints near the body, etc. We don't have the whole story - not by a long shot.

Wow, you are good.
Excellent post and just to make it more bizarre, there is no TOD..........

 

[johnfear]

I am jumping in before reading all of the pages to clarify a few things.

1) The pros' HC is playing a "schtick" for lack of a better word. You aren't the number two attorney in a county setting as large as Wake (Raleigh,Cary, et al) without being a relatively brilliant mind. The Barney thing he plays up is so that jurors have someone to sync up with. A lot of his "shock and ya'll" comes out in moments like the aforementioned Ducks incident as genuine to the jury and believe it or not, it wins him votes. (Literally, he becomes the friendly neighbor or the older relative you trust)

2) They are kind of overdoing this. Not in a good way. I believe less of this than I did the first go around, but I am willing to keep listening (though mostly after work on this one) to their case.

3) If you listen to the 911 call and hear "Daddy did it" expecting to hear "Daddy did it" you are a step ahead of me (maybe anticipating it changes things?). I don't hear it the same way.

4) I don't see how everyone can keep going back and saying: Only Jason would have cleaned her up, etc. etc. when clearly, the dude is an idiot and we've proven that he is both an idiot and irresponsible. Yet, he cared enough in the middle of a murder to stop and change his daughter's PJs? And then he drugged her? These things don't sync up and make a mess of the pros case. They should be minimized so that jurors don't think too much about them. For all we know, they have nothing to do with each other and take away from the personal nature of the beating. He was out of control. Leave it at that. He beat this poor woman beyond recognition and you don't tend to a two year old after that.

5) I am 99.9% sure that a) he did it and b) the prosecution is missing an available piece of the puzzle that would make this a 100% guilty. I think they are gambling with this and really hope we are in for a big surprise.

6) He pretty much has to testify again. It'll shoot holes in what little credibility it brings. However, he does have the right to remain silent and not be judged based on the silence. It cannot criminally be held against him that he chose to remain silent. This is sound legal advice a lawyer would give the spouse of a murdered person from the word go. Let's let that one go.

 

[fromageball]

Were the 2 different footprints different sizes? I know if it was Jason he could have worn both to throw people off.

That could go both ways though. Jason could have worn 2 different pairs of shoes...or someone else could have put Jason's shoes on and tracked around in them.

IIRC the shoes were size 10 and 12.

 

[Lynx]

I'm not sure if Jason did it or not but I thought the prosecution had a really weak case for the first trial. If Jason didn't do this, I think it is most likely that someone who at least knew them(friend/acquaintance/whatever) is probably the killer. Mostly because it was testified that Michelle's friend felt creeped out, like someone was watching them when she left.

So maybe it was a friend or acquaintance turned stalker. I don't think it was random simply because the person clearly targeted Michelle and didn't take much. Maybe it was a person with a grudge against Jason and wanted to frame him for it.

I don't think it was a burglary because the burglar could have taken tons of stuff from downstairs without harming anyone. Or even if the burglar killed Michelle, seems like they would have taken more if that were the purpose.

I don't know...it's totally bizarre imo. What upsets me is that it doesn't seem like a very thorough investigation was done into Michelle's death. There are so many unanswered questions and missing information. DNA evidence, two sets of foot prints near the body, etc. We don't have the whole story - not by a long shot.

Welcome! :seeya:

This is exactly how I feel.

 

[Lynx]

I sure hope so.

I will never understand why Gracie was not enough to arrest Jason in the beginning.

Why no arrest if this witness is credible?

I am confident in the defense team, one of them Mike Klinkosum, was able to free a man who had been in jail for about 16 years, wrongly accused, and Bryan Collins wants to be a Judge when this case is over..

Could that be due to timeline problems?

 

[otto]

Cindy Beaver told her boss and employees....BEFORE contacting LE.

Gracie told no one at work about Jason until AFTER being contacted by LE.

Not her boss, not the next clerk coming in, no one.

IMO

Regarding the gas attendant ... is it her testimony that the 5 AM customer tried to use a credit card and only when he failed, did he come in to use cash? If so, that seems to be the best argument that it was not Jason. There is no way that Jason would use a credit card to buy gas along the route after murdering his wife.

 

[LadyL]

I think Cassidy's shoes in the bed were probably her taking them to her mommy so mommy could help her get dressed. There's obviously no evidence that suggests this - I'm speculating. I don't understand why the doll couldn't have ended up in the room the same way - why would it be necessary for the doll to have blood on it for it to be there? Cassie would've brought in items to comfort her and/or to play with while mommy was 'sleeping'.

As for the different size shoes, I don't think any calculated planning is necessary to have different size adult shoes in a house. There are a whole host of reasons why it could occur, everything from someone gifted the wrong size & they never got returned ... to someone brought over a bag of 'gently used' clothes ... to someone has wide feet & couldn't find that particular shoe wide enough so got a larger size ...

there's actually so many more possibilities that I consider the size 10 shoes a non-issue - however, unfortunately they might contribute to reasonable doubt for a jury

I watched some of the last trial & thought it was a disaster - I'm apprehensive about this one

 

[thumbtack]

Regarding the gas attendant ... is it her testimony that the 5 AM customer tried to use a credit card and only when he failed, did he come in to use cash? If so, that seems to be the best argument that it was not Jason. There is no way that Jason would use a credit card to buy gas along the route after murdering his wife.

That's a great point! I wonder if he was running on fumes & forgot to tank up ahead of time & had no choice

This is puzzling.

 

[gracielee]

So this random stranger got MY's car keys out of her purse to move MY's car, but didn't bother to take her wallet. They ignored the digital camera (doesn't look like a cheap one) nearby on the kitchen counter. The only thing stolen of real value was MY's wedding rings...off her fingers. Point of crime? Not robbery. Now who is it who likes to rip wedding rings off of fingers? Oh right...deja vu.

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Somebody should have checked his *stool*. :what:

 

[gracielee]

I was serious.
Jury consultants consider gender/ profession/ race very carefully.

JTF, why aren't we privvy to that information in N.C.? I remember we knew the sex, ages, professions of the Laci Peterson jury. Most of the trials I used to watch on the old Court TV, the vital statistics about the jury was made public. Remember 'strawberry shortcake' from the Laci trial?

 

[otto]

That's a great point! I wonder if he was running on fumes & forgot to tank up ahead of time & had no choice

This is puzzling.

He got gas ahead of time, but the theory is that after driving to the hotel, home and back to the hotel, he needed gas ... but I can't believe that he would stage the crime with two different sizes of shoes but stop for gas at 5 in the morning after murdering his wife while his alibi is that he's asleep at the hotel. That makes no sense whatsoever.

 

[gracielee]

There are 6 AA and the rest are cacausian(sp?)

How about age range? Do we know anything about their professions? TIA

 

[otto]

Because by 3:30 that afternoon, Jason was pretty much their man.
And, with good reason.
He sure did a lot of things leading up to the murder, that could not have made him look more guilty if he tried.
He should have known all his phonecalls, texts, and emails and everything would come out,
Emails are easy to trace., btw........:wink:
And, sleeping with MM, how stupid was that?

IMO

Good point ... he was trying to get away with murdering his wife, so he started calling his girlfriend first thing in the morning ... makes no sense.

 

[Shelby1]

here is my take so far (I am a trial newbie and did not follow this case closely)

1) the Youngs had a bad relationship with arguing and petty behavior
2) the Youngs did not agree about their family or how to raise their daughter
3) Jason did not like his Mother in law and she was everything to Michelle
4) Michelle was murdered and Cassidy was in the same room when she was found by her sister
5) Cassidy's bloody footprints were all around the bed but she only had dried blood in the toenail beds of her feet
6) Cassidy was babbling and the dispatcher/investigators missed the chance to learn more from her in the urgency of the situation (jmhoo)
7) Cassidy normally wore a diaper to bed yet all she had on were pjs... not even underwear
8) The sister testified to the lack of romanticism in their relationship yet JY was going ape crap over a purse for the anniversary gift/picture he left out even to include a call from him mother that the sister says she has never gotten a call from on her cell phone before to go over there to the house
9) There is circumstantial evidence that alludes to the possibility that he checked into a hotel but than left and possibly tampered with the doors and the cameras at the hotel
10) JY never spoke to police about his murdered wife. not once. (I have to admit I have real issues with this)

I most likely missed something but the first two days show me a pattern of strange behavior on JY's part on the day Michelle was murdered..

so that was the take from someone who has not had any exposure to all of what is to come that you guys are already discussing (meds, prints, etc) and only based on what I saw today and yesterday.

((Hey Shelby or any others in my boat:... what did you think?))

I completely agree with every single thing you said.

The biggest stand-out for me is when I learned that he refused to talk to LE even ONCE.

The second biggest is the purse gift. He (imo from what I've seen/read) never made any attempt to give a nice surprise like that. I think he did it to make sure someone-the sister (damn him for making her witness to the horror imo) found Michelle.

Sheesh, I guess I am not keeping a very open mind. :blushing:

 

[tarheel8600]

Yes, you are right.

The search warrant for Michelle's Lexus was not issued until July, 2007, almost 9 months later.

I think there is a real good chance it was indeed Michelle's car, that
Cindy Beaver saw.

IMO

BBM

Yes, you are right. It took LE almost 270 days to issue a warrant for Michelle's car.

Yet, it took JY 1,693 days to talk about his whereabouts and his actions on the night of his wife's and unborn son's murders.

Now, just who was slow to getting around to doing or saying things that were important to this case???

 

[sureLocke]

Were the 2 different footprints different sizes? I know if it was Jason he could have worn both to throw people off.

It seems difficult to imagine that he would plan this (walking with two different size shoes), especially if as many have posted he would have planned on a neat quick murder. But then it is hard to put yourself in that moment and know what was on the perpetrator's mind. It certainly is an excellent diversion.
I can see him panicking after the act seeing his footprints all over and needing a diversion, but then that would imply having the other size on hand? What size did Meredith wear.