State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-7-12

[otto]

BBM I should have snipped this for brevity, but Jason isn't an idiot, not by a long shot. Dude managed a series of overlapping affairs, hustled (IMO) his way into a series of jobs, led what might look like to some people a secret life.

IMO he's a good example of a Dark Triad personality. Elements of psychopathy (lack of conscience, emotion or compassion as guiding mechanisms in his life), machiavellianism (successfully managing simultaneous and overlapping affairs with the appearance of regular married life) and narcissism (affairs, impulsivity, showboating). There are a ton of examples for each category there that can be assigned to JY. Plenty of literature out there on Dark Triad stuff that's especially interesting if you stop to think about the likes of JY and BC. There's a theory that Dark Triad folks are the ones who murder their spouses (male and female) rather than divorcing them.

It would help to know if there was a sexual assault, as that would place the murder in a completely different category.

 

[otto]

HUH? So which makes more sense to you?
Personal or random?
Short answers are preferable.
If too verbose you lose me.

How often do home invasions (robbery) result in the death of the occupant? That scenario also explains this murder.

 

[Mama-cita]

How often do home invasions (robbery) result in the death of the occupant? That scenario also explains this murder.

A ruthless home-invader has no reason whatsoever to spare the child.

 

[tarheel8600]

There are many times that an intruder enters a property to steal something, the intruder is startled by the home owner and the home owner is murdered. That's a common theory when there is a random murder. If only some things are stolen, the theory is that the intruder was afraid and fled the scene. In fact, during the 911 call it became apparent towards the end of the call that the dispatcher wanted to get the victim's sister and child out of the home and into a safe place (like her vehicle) as fast as possible.

That doesn't explain why the child's feet were clean, but maybe too much is made of that. Perhaps the child took off her diaper (it wouldn't be the first time a 2 year old did that) and washed her feet. She was heard talking about a wash cloth on the 911 tape and Meredith testified that the child had a bench in front of the sink and could turn the water on and off. I haven't seen any evidence relating to a washcloth, but that could mean that police simply didn't collect that evidence. Investigators made errors at the scene even though they were there for 10 days.

BBM

After raising 3 children, it is hard for me to believe that CY cleaned herself without leaving tell-tale signs of it either in the bathroom sink or the bathtub. Children that age do not clean themselves well, and they leave a mess behind when they try.
Weren't all of the drains tested for blood in case someone cleaned him/herself after the murder? Wouldn't MY's blood have shown up if CY had done that?

Also, there's no way that CY wouldn't have missed some spots that would have transferred over into the bed. 2-year-olds just aren't capable of cleaning themselves that thoroughly.

 

[otto]

BBM

After raising 3 children, it is hard for me to believe that CY cleaned herself without leaving tell-tale signs of it either in the bathroom sink or the bathtub. Children that age do not clean themselves well, and they leave a mess behind when they try.
Weren't all of the drains tested for blood in case someone cleaned him/herself after the murder? Wouldn't MY's blood have shown up if CY had done that?

Also, there's no way that CY wouldn't have missed some spots that would have transferred over into the bed. 2-year-olds just aren't capable of cleaning themselves that thoroughly.

Image no. 15 in the link that Lynx provided certainly provides tell tale signs that someone made a mess. It doesn't look like something an adult would do. If she cleaned her own feet, she not only left a mess behind, but she also missed some spots ... and then she put on her shoes, which would have prevented the blood from transferring to the sheets. Have the shoes been tested for blood?

Testing drains and finding evidence of the residents of the home wouldn't prove anything.

 

[otto]

A ruthless home-invader has no reason whatsoever to spare the child.

Two year olds can't testify to anything, so why not leave them alive.

 

[Mama-cita]

BBM

After raising 3 children, it is hard for me to believe that CY cleaned herself without leaving tell-tale signs of it either in the bathroom sink or the bathtub. Children that age do not clean themselves well, and they leave a mess behind when they try.
Weren't all of the drains tested for blood in case someone cleaned him/herself after the murder? Wouldn't MY's blood have shown up if CY had done that?

Also, there's no way that CY wouldn't have missed some spots that would have transferred over into the bed. 2-year-olds just aren't capable of cleaning themselves that thoroughly.

Agreed! Why would she have cleaned them anyway? Many children that age don't care too much about being messy. And the bits of dried blood on her toenails show that her feet were wiped down. Me no thinky she wiped her own tootsies!!!

 

[MyBelle]

You are right.

See what I mean?

It can't be both ways.

Right now the only thing that camera tells me is that he checked in and came back down to the desk.

As of today Hicks and Morgan really can't even say that they remember him unless prompted by the camera segments.

That is what I took from the testimony anyway.

That and the rock kicked from the door maybe was the one they gathered two days later.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

It seems that the defense caught the fact that the prosecution played most of the 911 call, but not all of it, and therefore it was replayed this morning.

The defense seems well-prepared. Moreso than the prosecution.

JMO

 

[Lynx]

Image no. 15 in the link that Lynx provided certainly provides tell tale signs that someone made a mess. It doesn't look like something an adult would do. If she cleaned her own feet, she not only left a mess behind, but she also missed some spots ... and then she put on her shoes, which would have prevented the blood from transferring to the sheets. Have the shoes been tested for blood?

Testing drains and finding evidence of the residents of the home wouldn't prove anything.

That picture makes me question more and more how Cassidy made her way to that bathroom without leaving a trail in the hallway?

And if she was carried by someone how did they do it without leaving footprints or something?

 

[MyBelle]

Not addressed to me, but BBM.

I was very interested in this too! Took my mind back to Special Agent Karen Morrow's testimony about that impression in the bed. You know the one that Investigator's wondered if it could have been left by that knife?

Do you remember that?

I missed this. What knife impression?

 

[Lynx]

That and the rock kicked from the door maybe was the one they gathered two days later.

JMO

The rock will be out again if Sean Weiss from Labcorps testifies again. He testified the first time around that the DNA was not even a close match. Admitted that on cross.

Why make so much ado about evidence your own experts will refute? I am not grasping something here I don't think?:waitasec:

 

[ohiogirl]

Personally, I would never give adult medication to a child.

Hopefully, you would never be in this position.

 

[ohiogirl]

I have been wondering why the medicine is included in the prosecution's theory. There's nothing about the child that indicates she was drugged, there's nothing on the medicine to indicate that Jason handled it on the night of the murder. If anything, it almost supports the "unknown" intruder theory.

I would presume because they found her DNA on it.

 

[Lynx]

I missed this. What knife impression?

It was testified in the last trial by SBI Agent Karen Morrow. IIRC, it was some type of knife that was found in Jason Young's SUV. Investigators were inquiring what type of object could make that type of impression in the bedding. Morrow testified that she could not say but she did not believe it was the knife.


Today Meredith Fisher confirmed on cross through an evidence picture that she could see a remote control in the bed.

I just found that odd.

 

[MyBelle]

This murder always reminded me of the Scott Dyleski case as well.
(Pamela Vitale Horowitz, <sp>)

Goth, overkill, maybe people watching Michelle and waiting for a night when Jason was gone.

Jason always parked his car in the driveway, as Michelle kept her car in the garage along with their boat,

So, Jason'a car is gone, and the fact the garage door opener was broken, the inside garage door leading to the kitchen
was always left unlocked.

You will hear MF testify to that.

ETA/ Jason had said he heard noises a few times behind the house, I think there was a trailer park there, and Michelle
was not happy about it.

Good points! The Pettit murders weren't random but the women didn't know their killers, who saw the mom and daughter at the grocery and followed them, watched them. Jason could have been seen loading his car and leaving and they waited until Shelly left.

When you get a chance, I'd like to know more about the knife testimony.

JMO

 

[ohiogirl]

The pancol df was from JYs samples. Pharmaceutical samples do not have symptoms listed on the packaging like drugs you buy in a retail store. This is because they are not going to the consumer. They are going to a physician, with implicit instructions on how to use them, the doctor, when handing out samples to the patients would then advise the patient on proper use. Some of the sample drugs have little information leaflets inside them. Some do not. I recently received a bag full of ointment samples for eczema from my kind dermatologist, there is nothing on the little bottles stating any side effects or contraindications. So it is highly unlikely that a layperson would know to use pancol for drowsiness. As stated before I am a nurse and I had to look it up, as did my pharmacist husband! A generic drug can have many different trade names! So unless our murderer had a PDR (physicians drug reference) handy, he wouldn't have known what it was for. For all the average person knows, pancol
Is for libido!

he was a drug rep. he knew, if not, he was horrible at his job. imo

 

[MyBelle]

I have never understood why they could not narrow the TOD down.

Is it true that no ME ever visited the crime scene?

That wouldn't surprise me. He failed to perform the requested rape kit. The tunnel vision and assumptions that the husband was guilty seems to have been the conclusion from the very beginning. Very unfortunate and unprofessional. Michelle and Rylan deserved better.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I remember a few years ago we sleuthers tried to narrow down the time line based on rigor, but given that the house was colder than usual, we don't really know anything. I doubt that an actual time of death can ever be more accurate than: with a window of time.

I don't know if the ME went to the scene. Why would that happen?

It was NC law at the time but I don't know if that statute was followed. These guys seem to do whatever they wanted without regard to procedure.

I think the law has since been changed to fit with doing nothing.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

There are many times that an intruder enters a property to steal something, the intruder is startled by the home owner and the home owner is murdered. That's a common theory when there is a random murder. If only some things are stolen, the theory is that the intruder was afraid and fled the scene. In fact, during the 911 call it became apparent towards the end of the call that the dispatcher wanted to get the victim's sister and child out of the home and into a safe place (like her vehicle) as fast as possible.

That doesn't explain why the child's feet were clean, but maybe too much is made of that. Perhaps the child took off her diaper (it wouldn't be the first time a 2 year old did that) and washed her feet. She was heard talking about a wash cloth on the 911 tape and Meredith testified that the child had a bench in front of the sink and could turn the water on and off. I haven't seen any evidence relating to a washcloth, but that could mean that police simply didn't collect that evidence. Investigators made errors at the scene even though they were there for 10 days.

iirc, from photos, that step stool in the child's bathroom wasn't in front of the sink, it was in the center of the bath. She couldn't reach the sink from that position.

If the child had really been around her mother's body, more than just her feet would have been bloody. She would have touched her, tried to help her or awaken her. Her little bloody hands would have touched other things or been wiped on her pj's. There has yet to be a believable explanation for why she was so clean.

JMO