State vs Jason Lynn Young 2-7-12

[gracielee]

All I have a good idea about is that she wasn't in that bloody room near Mommy's body.

JMO

Of course she was, her little bloody footprints tell *that* story. And she knew her mommy had 'boo boos all over'. :maddening:

 

[nursebeeme]

I'm talking about the many hours after the murder where there is proof Jason was in VA. The body was not found until after lunch. That's many hours for the child to have been left alone. The room was a bloody mess and she had time to place a doll near her mother's body. She should have been bloody from touching her mother. She wasn't.

JMO

yes, she should have been bloody but she wasn't.. it is like she was tucked into the master bedroom and slept right up until her aunt came into the room...

didn't jason say on the voice mail that he tucked C in that night???

 

[MyBelle]

Yes I am more than well aware that it shouldn't have been given to a child ever. But Jason, who as a Rx rep knew the side effects, which would be exponentially worse in a child, drugged his daughter so she would sleep through the morning and be rescued by Auntie Meme. And the dropper WITH pancol residue AND Cassie's DNA on it, found in her room shows that she was given the drug. 1+1=2

Excuse me, but a drug rep has no way of knowing the dosage or side affects of a drug in a toddler if it is a drug for adults. Jason would also not know at all how much of the drug to give her that wouldn't kill her. <modsnip>
JMO

 

[Lynx]

Yes I am more than well aware that it shouldn't have been given to a child ever. But Jason, who as a Rx rep knew the side effects, which would be exponentially worse in a child, drugged his daughter so she would sleep through the morning and be rescued by Auntie Meme. And the dropper WITH pancol residue AND Cassie's DNA on it, found in her room shows that she was given the drug. 1+1=2

IIRC, the medicine in question in the medicine dropper was red, I believe testified to by Mike Galloway from CCBI. I believe that the Pancof PD was purple in color.
JMO

 

[nursebeeme]

Excuse me, but a drug rep has no way of knowing the dosage or side affects of a drug in a toddler if it is a drug for adults. Jason would also not know at all how much of the drug to give her that wouldn't kill her. Let's stick to the testimony.

JMO

I am a nurse.... yes a drug rep would know *everything* about meds he or she is endorsing. Absolutely they would.

(now that you tell me he was a drug rep... as I did not know that... I am even more curious as to Cassidy's location, absence of a diaper, (he put her to bed and today we heard he was irresponsible), etc etc etc...)

also, a child this age if they woke up and were hungry would go to the kitchen and forage... (she sounded ravenous according to the aunt today) I have read cases about children smaller than C surviving by eating ketchup, etc if left alone

 

[nursebeeme]

doh... pancof is chlorpheneramine.... (just double checked)

he would know as a drug rep exactly what the side effects are... just like I do as a nurse. (and i have sat in too many drug rep meetings to count!)

 

[Cappuccino]

I'm curious - how would a drug rep know about the dosage and side effects of a drug in a toddler if its only given to adults?

 

[Mama-cita]

Excuse me, but a drug rep has no way of knowing the dosage or side affects of a drug in a toddler if it is a drug for adults. Jason would also not know at all how much of the drug to give her that wouldn't kill her. Let's stick to the testimony.

JMO

Any drug rep worth his salt better know ALL the molecular specifics of every drug he intends to go before a doctor and try to sell!!! And no, there is nothing in the pancol that could have killed her. Cassidy DNA + pancol on dropper = Dropper with PANCOL was in Cassidy's mouth. Pretty simple actually.

 

[Shelby1]

if you believe Jason.

not sure that I do.

(I am sorta like a mock juror as I did not watch the first trial and am approaching the case with open eyes and not much case background)

I didn't watch the first trial, either. I'm riveted.

 

[Mama-cita]

I'm curious - how would a drug rep know about the dosage and side effects of a drug in a toddler if its only given to adults?

Cappucino ,
One of the maid side effects of that drug is drowsiness. We can infer this symptom would be markedly worse in smaller/younger individuals.

 

[Cappuccino]

Any drug rep worth his salt better know ALL the molecular specifics of every drug he intends to go before a doctor and try to sell!!! And no, there is nothing in the pancol that could have killed her. Cassidy DNA + pancol on dropper = Dropper with PANCOL was in Cassidy's mouth. Pretty simple actually.

But surely all a sales rep would need to know about this particular drug is that it shouldn't be given to children.

Plus...how do we know this man was a sales rep "worth his salt"? He may have been a rubbish sales rep.

How do we know the substance in the dropper was Pancol?

I'm a complete newbie to this case, so please bear with all the questions.

 

[nursebeeme]

a drug rep knows all the ins and outs of what he or she is selling... they are selling the drug.. so say I am in the meeting and I ask them about the pediatric uses, etc... the rep will have an answer. If they had no idea they would not be a drug rep in my own personal experience

 

[Mama-cita]

Back before they outlawed ALL cold medications in children, we're talking it's been 8-10 years, we used to give my son dimetapp as a toddler because he had terrible allergies. The active ingredient was chlorphenirimine. And about 10-15 minutes later he was LIGHTS OUT for hours!!!

 

[Cappuccino]

Cappucino ,
One of the maid side effects of that drug is drowsiness. We can infer this symptom would be markedly worse in smaller/younger individuals.

That's true, but anybody could work that out. It wouldn't take a sales rep or any other type of expert to infer that.

 

[Mama-cita]

But surely all a sales rep would need to know about this particular drug is that it shouldn't be given to children.

Plus...how do we know this man was a sales rep "worth his salt"? He may have been a rubbish sales rep.

How do we know the substance in the dropper was Pancol?

I'm a complete newbie to this case, so please bear with all the questions.

I believe NurseBeeme answered some of your question below. As she astutely pointed out, a rep selling a drug has to be prepared to answer ANY and all questions a doc may have about a med, whether it be the drug's molecular structure, half-life, drug/drug interactions, dosing with renal/liver failure, pediatric dosing etc. A drug company will NOT let someone out of training without knowing these things! That's why reps usually only sell a handful of different drugs, so they can hone and memorize all the specific details they would need to know. As to your other question, the medicine dropper found in Cassie's room was tested and found to have Pancol, as well as Cassie's DNA.

 

[gracielee]

yes, she should have been bloody but she wasn't.. it is like she was tucked into the master bedroom and slept right up until her aunt came into the room...

didn't jason say on the voice mail that he tucked C in that night???

Her little bloody footprints were all over the bathroom, even in the hallway. Someone cleaned her up, probably changed her jammies, took off her diaper, gave her the dropper full of medicine, and tucked her into bed to sleep until Auntie Emme got there. JMO

 

[Cappuccino]

Thanks for the answers, Nurse and Mama-Cita.

I'm afraid I have more questions though - if her bloody footprints were found, surely she must have been awake after her mother was murdered?

 

[nursebeeme]

to those who went thru the first trial: did the medicine dropper forensics come into the first trial (re: pancol and dna in the syringe?)

I further wonder if there are any medical people on the current seated jury (although that didn't much matter in the Casey Anthony debacle did it ;-)

 

[Mama-cita]

That's true, but anybody could work that out. It wouldn't take a sales rep or any other type of expert to infer that.

I think I get what you are implying but perhaps not. What I think you are implying is that anyone could have known Pancol would cause drowsiness? I am a nurse and my husband is a pharmacist. Pancol is a trade name. Both of us had to look it up to know what the generic name was. So I don't believe just ANYONE would have known that class of drug to see it lying around. Maybe Sudafed, or Benadryl perhaps, but not Pancol, only someone intimate with that particular drug would know it's indications and usages. Also, if we are to infer that someone else gave Cassie the drug, we have to also assume that there are savage murders out there that take the time to clean up after themselves, lock up, and make sure the child is taken care of. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I am a fan of Occam's Razor: the simplest explanation is usually correct.

 

[nursebeeme]

Her little bloody footprints were all over the bathroom, even in the hallway. Someone cleaned her up, probably changed her jammies, took off her diaper, gave her the dropper full of medicine, and tucked her into bed to sleep until Auntie Emme got there. JMO

and the aunt just said she had dried blood on the beds of her toenails but nowhere else.. so that does sound to me, with the footprints, like a clean up had to have taken place at some point in time