State vs Jason Lynn Young 6-10-11

[otto]

Can just imagine how he was fuming when he was putting in that gas.
I'm actually surprised he didn't have a jerry can of gas with him. He must have miscalculated.

Do we know that he didn't have a jerry can? He gassed up before leaving Raleigh. He drove to Hillesville, Virginia, back to Raleigh, and as far as King at 5:30ish in the morning. From King, he needed to gas up again in Duffied after his meeting and, after after a pit stop in Brevard, he again gassed up in Burlington on the way back to Raleigh. It seems like his trip from Raleigh to Hillesville and then back to to Raleigh and then to King is a lot longer than King to Duffield or Duffield to Burlington.

 

[ncmomof2boys]

So people that questioned BCs guilt are crazy? The BS flowed in both directions in that forum.

Not at all what I was trying to say. :banghead: I just meant that there were some people following that trial that were definitely just looking to throw a rift into everything. I also agree with you that the other side (BDI) was known for making things crazy at times too.

I am just glad that we don't have to read a bunch of nonsense in order to follow along with the trial (like over there). I like the facts and some good 'ol honest speculating. I appreciate all views and while I did feel BC was guilty, I was looking for the truth just like you ncsu95. No matter what!

Not trying to get anyone upset here. I should have taken the time to word my original post more clearly. :seeya:

 

[borndem]

Right. Some guy came in angry about the pumps being turned off, tossed a 20 on the counter, took 15 in gas and left. There was a white SUV as some point that night, or in the time between the murder and when she was questioned. She got the height wrong, and she is a clean drug addict ... perhaps trying to be helpful.

If this woman said that she was 5' or 5'2", I would guess that she's 5'2" in thick soles. How can she not know that a 6'1" guy is way taller, not only a little taller. I honestly don't think the jury can take this testimony seriuosly ... at least I don't view it as a tipping point in a jury verdict.

I am 5'1" and I have always had a tuff time judging heights -- from anything like how high is a ceiling in a house, or how high is that diving board, to how tall is someone who is taller than I am (a goodly number of folks).

Fran (IIRC) also mentioned that she was short & had the same problem. I don't know why that is, but is is indeed a problem with perspective or relativity or, at least in my case, nearly always looking down, so your frame of reference is different -- another anomaly I can't explain.

Anyhoo, that's the way it is for many of us "short people..."

or, as Randy Newman put it:


"Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
To live

They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet...
....
They got little baby legs
That stand so low
You got to pick em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
'Round here...." *

And although his lyrics are laced with double intendre, this little ditty is still good on its face.

Sorry for getting carried away....

* http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric....randy-newman/3244f1d30051f75e48256a370048b6fa

 

[otto]

I am 5'1" and I have always had a tuff time judging heights -- from anything like how high is a ceiling in a house, or how high is that diving board, to how tall is someone who is taller than I am (a goodly number of folks).

<snipped>

I assume you're not suggesting that people that are 5 feet tall are somehow less capable of estimating height than other people ... if they're looking at a guy's belly button, his armpits, or his eyes and can't figure out whether he is a foot taller or a little taller, then I have to question what was seen, and I think at least one member of the jury will have the same doubts.

 

[ncsu95]

Not at all what I was trying to say. :banghead: I just meant that there were some people following that trial that were definitely just looking to throw a rift into everything. I also agree with you that the other side (BDI) was known for making things crazy at times too.

I am just glad that we don't have to read a bunch of nonsense in order to follow along with the trial (like over there). I like the facts and some good 'ol honest speculating. I appreciate all views and while I did feel BC was guilty, I was looking for the truth just like you ncsu95. No matter what!

Not trying to get anyone upset here. I should have taken the time to word my original post more clearly. :seeya:

I apologize for taking your post out of context.

 

[otto]

I think the better evidence is the fact that the key card for the hotel room was only used once. He checked in at 10:54 and entered his room four minutes later. He apparently left the room to smoke a cigar at one minute after midnight. Since his room key was never used again, where did he spend the night? He hasn't stepped forward to state that he jammed the door while he was out for a cigar - to clear up the keycard single use question. If he was out for a cigar, why did he jam the door ... if the door was jammed by someone else, why didn't he request another room?

 

[ncsu95]

I am 5'1" and I have always had a tuff time judging heights -- from anything like how high is a ceiling in a house, or how high is that diving board, to how tall is someone who is taller than I am (a goodly number of folks).

Fran (IIRC) also mentioned that she was short & had the same problem. I don't know why that is, but is is indeed a problem with perspective or relativity or, at least in my case, nearly always looking down, so your frame of reference is different -- another anomaly I can't explain.

Anyhoo, that's the way it is for many of us "short people..."

or, as Randy Newman put it:


"Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
Short people got no reason
To live

They got little hands
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet...
....
They got little baby legs
That stand so low
You got to pick em up
Just to say hello
They got little cars
That go beep, beep, beep
They got little voices
Goin' peep, peep, peep
They got grubby little fingers
And dirty little minds
They're gonna get you every time
Well, I don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
Don't want no short people
'Round here...." *

And although his lyrics are laced with double intendre, this little ditty is still good on its face.

Sorry for getting carried away....

* http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric....randy-newman/3244f1d30051f75e48256a370048b6fa

I'm 6'5" so I can't relate. Although, I do envy short people when I fly.

 

[otto]

I apologize for taking your post out of context.

In the Brad Cooper trial, there was a clique that testified, claiming that they knew Brad was guilty of murder almost before Nancy was murdered ... and they phoned police hours after her murder. In the Michelle Fisher Young murder, there is a similarly convinced group

A clip from before the arrest

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2864483/#/vid2864483

 

[jilly]

Do we know that he didn't have a jerry can? He gassed up before leaving Raleigh. He drove to Hillesville, Virginia, back to Raleigh, and as far as King at 5:30ish in the morning. From King, he needed to gas up again in Duffied after his meeting and, after after a pit stop in Brevard, he again gassed up in Burlington on the way back to Raleigh. It seems like his trip from Raleigh to Hillesville and then back to to Raleigh and then to King is a lot longer than King to Duffield or Duffield to Burlington.

From his attitude at the gas station I would say he didn't have a jerry can. Like I said.....a miscalculation on his part for whatever reason.

 

[jilly]

I am 5'1" and I have always had a tuff time judging heights -- from anything like how high is a ceiling in a house, or how high is that diving board, to how tall is someone who is taller than I am (a goodly number of folks).

Fran (IIRC) also mentioned that she was short & had the same problem. I don't know why that is, but is is indeed a problem with perspective or relativity or, at least in my case, nearly always looking down, so your frame of reference is different -- another anomaly I can't explain.

Anyhoo, that's the way it is for many of us "short people..."

***snipped respectfully for space***

I'm the same as you with respect to height and even worse for distance.

 

[otto]

This is some nice video of Michelle and her daughter

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2864483/#/vid2045241

 

[otto]

From his attitude at the gas station I would say he didn't have a jerry can. Like I said.....a miscalculation on his part for whatever reason.

I have no idea what the distances are, but King to Duffield, and Duffiled to Burlington seems shorter than Raleigh to Hillesville to Raliegh to King.

Eye witness testimony is high in the reasons for verdicts to be overturned in places like California. It is known to be unreliable.

 

[otto]

Finally found the clerk testimony

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2864483/#/vid9715350

During the testimony ... not blinking quite so much as usual

(in that picture, I think they're both thinking they're screwed)

 

[jilly]

I have no idea what the distances are, but King to Duffield, and Duffiled to Burlington seems shorter than Raleigh to Hillesville to Raliegh to King.

Eye witness testimony is high in the reasons for verdicts to be overturned in places like California. It is known to be unreliable.

I know but what gets me is that in the Cooper trial many many posters were dissecting the circumstantial evidence and calling for direct evidence and now that we have some direct evidence, it's still not good enough.

 

[otto]

I know but what gets me is that in the Cooper trial many many posters were dissecting the circumstantial evidence and calling for direct evidence and now that we have some direct evidence, it's still not good enough.

Direct evidence would be a video clip of Jason at the gas station, a receipt with reliable identification, a video of Jason leaving the hotel in different clothes at 12:01 AM, things like that? I don't recall anyone in the Cooper trial expecting to see direct evidence, moreso I think the biggest issues in the Cooper trial were the prosecution badgering witnesses and the judge disqualifying rebuttal testimony ... even going so far as to reject an unpaid expert witness unless the prosecution recalled a previous witness. If the prosecution recalled a witness, then the defense would be allowed rebuttal testimony using that unpaid expert witness.

There was no direct DNA evidence in the house because Cooper lived there, but I don't think anyone was expecting any kind of direct evidence at the house scene. At the drainage ditch scene, there were tire tracks that didn't match ... direct evidence was there, but it was problematic for the prosecution theory.

 

[Just the Fax]

In the Brad Cooper trial, there was a clique that testified, claiming that they knew Brad was guilty of murder almost before Nancy was murdered ... and they phoned police hours after her murder. In the Michelle Fisher Young murder, there is a similarly convinced group

A clip from before the arrest

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/2864483/#/vid2864483

Not sure how this is similar?
I agree that NC's friends and neighbors immediately suspected Brad and were very vocal about it.
Not the case at all with most of MY's close friends.
Shelley is a perfect example. She and her husband Ryan were not convinced of his guilt until early 2007.
As for that lake side memorial event, that was 1 1/2 years after the murder....by that time, it was more than obvious who the killer was.

 

[gorealtors]

Right. Some guy came in angry about the pumps being turned off, tossed a 20 on the counter, took 15 in gas and left. There was a white SUV as some point that night, or in the time between the murder and when she was questioned. She got the height wrong, and she is a clean drug addict ... perhaps trying to be helpful.

If this woman said that she was 5' or 5'2", I would guess that she's 5'2" in thick soles. How can she not know that a 6'1" guy is way taller, not only a little taller. I honestly don't think the jury can take this testimony seriuosly ... at least I don't view it as a tipping point in a jury verdict.

Just like the Cooper case, just tiny pieces of the puzzle slowly coming together. One of the key pieces to me is the fact he checked into the hotel and his key card was recorded once, when he entered his room around 11pm. Ok, so he went outside for a smoke. Where did he spend the night???? With that said, the testimony of this store clerk starts to explain where he might have been that night. Two days after the murder she identifies him when detectives, canvassing the area, show her a picture of JY. Not only did she recognize him, SHE also offered up the fact that he was driving a white SUV. I think this witness was more focused on his behavior than anything else. If he drove off without paying, then that came out of her paycheck. Eventually the clerk and JY were face to face about the gas purchase. That was her focus.

 

[Madeleine74]

Direct evidence is:

- eyewitness
- video of the murder
- confession by the perp

Everything else, including all DNA, footprints, fingerprints, tire tracks, behaviors, and anything else you can think of is, by definition, "circumstantial evidence."

 

[Just the Fax]

Though DNA, prints and blood analysis is indeed CE, it is further labeled 'forensic evidence". Because of CSI, many jurors these days expect to see forensics in a CE case.

 

[raisincharlie]

Did you see the close-up of Judge Stephens, grimacing at the monitor? I wonder what the jurors look like?

I just listened to the CCBI guy's testimony - darn glad I could not see the images. His description alone was much worse than my imagination allowed me to think way back when this case came to light. I'm not sure an injection for JY would be adequate...it angers me to no end to think if he is convicted he will spend his life playing basketball in the exercise lot.

One other comment - I also listened to the Detective who took the stand after Gracie Dahms - if one listens you will hear that LE never asked her about a vehicle description. According to this detective - Gracie provided the description of the vehicle to LE at the first interview. I find her quite believable, her providing the vehicle description with zero prompting from LE is enough for me to believe her 100%. He was there, he was on his way back from murdering his wife and unborn son.