State vs Jason Lynn Young 6-10-11

[ncsu95]

I think the quick flip here confirms this is very much a victim friendly site. However, it is also composed of some of the smartest people. I have read your posts and see nothing to indicate police or prosecution corruption. I am very impressed with all the courtroom personnel in this case, including JS. Then I have been impressed with JS for years. I think it is fair game to comment on witnesses and how well you think they have done without detracting from the horrible wrong done the victim, the daughter, and the family of the victim in this case.

I agree. Nothing at all wrong with Otto's comments. He isn't even questioning the LE take on this. He's simply pointing out the inconsistency in her testimony. I see the same inconsistencies...but I hope the jury believes her. But she definitely wasn't a "slam dunk" witness. Fortunately, I don't think her testimony was to be a slam dunk in this case.

 

[ncsu95]

Yep, I understand that about airplanes! I have no problem, even in those little Fokkers (Dutch Aircraft - little Fokker 100 holds 100; one seat on one side, two seats on the other). I'm sure one of those little Fokkers would be tuff for someone over about 5'5'...

Otherwise, the world was just not made for short people.

I've ridden on one of those stupid little regional jets like that. I couldn't stand up straight. Also, no sinks in the bathroom....just hand sanitizer.

 

[No Coincidence]

We may have the answer to how he reentered the west exit at 6:15AM
Elmer stated the west exit door had a malfunctioning card reader and the door would remain unlocked. He was unsure if the door was broken on 11-3-06....He did tell WCSO this during his interview.


23.00 on video

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/9709926/#/vid9709926

Precisely what I was looking for. I have never seen someone so circumstantially benefited by accidents in my life. Had a person let him in as they exited, he/she would have been seen on camera exiting, creating a new eyewitness. But nope..

I do not think he planned this as perfectly as some evidence may seem, the man was benefited by one-off after one-off, broken door, no camera at the gas station, no one running into him in the hallway, no speeding ticket... I firmly believe he was at these places but evidence is one step behind him.

 

[ncsu95]

I have been following this thread, and several others for quite some time regarding this case. Being that my ideas/opinions are strongly reflected in those of JTF, I have felt no need to post- as I didnt have a user name. Upon much deep thought surrounding the cameras at the hotel where JY "stayed" (ha), I cant find an explanation for one thing. If someone left out of the door that JY re-entered in, thus creating an opportunity for him to enter without a key card, wouldn't this person have been seen on the camera BEFORE JY pushed it towards the ceiling on his way in? The 15 seconds before JY walked in should have shown someone walking out. Is this where the rapid picture film possibly missed someone exiting?

I posed that same question earlier this week. They should know exactly when the camera was pushed up and should see someone on camera leaving right before then.


ETA: I now see that the door reader might have been malfunctioning.

 

[Just the Fax]

FYI ncsu...otto is female.

 

[borndem]

BBM

I meant to comment on this earlier. I have two friends who work in prisons in NC. If it makes you feel any better, I can pretty much assure you Jason will NEVER be allowed to play basketball in prison. The courts are controlled by the inmates and they would never allow Jason to play on their courts. IMHO.

That's encouraging -- thanks for that piece of reality. I would appreciate hearing any other correction institution comments very much -- I am totally ignorant of, but very interested in/curious about, how it really is in those institutions.

On an earlier post I wanted to say that The Big House Boys won't like him, and that he indeed will have a tuff time in there for oh, so many years....

Best All Around -- what happened, Jason?

 

[ncsu95]

FYI ncsu...otto is female.

Thanks. I'm horrible at this. I thought borndem was a guy too until this thread. Am I right in thinking you are a guy?

 

[No Coincidence]

That's encouraging -- thanks for that piece of reality. I would appreciate hearing any other correction institution comments very much -- I am totally ignorant of, but very interested in/curious about, how it really is in those institutions.

On an earlier post I wanted to say that The Big House Boys won't like him, and that he indeed will have a tuff time in there for oh, so many years....

Best All Around -- what happened, Jason?

Have you watched "Locked Up" on MSNBC? If not, it truly was quite an eye opener for me. It profiles high risk inmates, and maximum security prison life. It shows bartering systems, gang affiliations, and inmate code of conduct. The "code" is so flabbergasting. It discussed who gets which bunk, the rules regarding using the restroom/toilet in a 2 man cell, and where to hide makeshift weapons in the event of a riot. If learning about correctional institutions intrigues you, you wont be disappointed. The episode I watched showed inmates discussing the best places to commit crimes (rape, murder, aggravated assault) so as to not be caught on tape, basically "black out" areas behind corners, in hallways, etc.

 

[Just the Fax]

Yes, you are correct on that one.

 

[ncsu95]

Have you watched "Locked Up" on MSNBC? If not, it truly was quite an eye opener for me. It profiles high risk inmates, and maximum security prison life. It shows bartering systems, gang affiliations, and inmate code of conduct. The "code" is so flabbergasting. It discussed who gets which bunk, the rules regarding using the restroom/toilet in a 2 man cell, and where to hide makeshift weapons in the event of a riot. If learning about correctional institutions intrigues you, you wont be disappointed. The episode I watched showed inmates discussing the best places to commit crimes (rape, murder, aggravated assault) so as to not be caught on tape, basically "black out" areas behind corners, in hallways, etc.

Yes. Excellent series. Life in max security is definitely punishment.

 

[No Coincidence]

In the NC/BC trial, one juror said there were 5 pieces of criteria that had to be met in order to have reasonable doubt. Does anyone know what those are? I was a juror here in Michigan, and we did not have an explicit list... although much deliberation fostered around the topic...

 

[borndem]

So he tried to enter a door that was always locked and completely lucked out because another guest was leaving at just the moment that he wanted to enter. He then turned the camera to the ceiling ... but why? Since he had every reason to be in the hotel, what difference would it make if he was seen in the hotel?

He wasn't wearing the right clothes -- anyone who had a 10:00am mtg. would be wearing nice business clothes & he had on jeans coming into the hotel (if Gracie's memory is reliable -- and I think it is). Why would he have on jeans?

 

[scandi]

JLY will fit right in. In fact, his crime is probably a badge of honor among the other killers and rapists he will spend the rest of his life with.
Remember JLY is a self-proclaimed sex addict. I'm thinking he will need to watch his back more than most of the others. Betcha his tight azz will be a hit. :great:

Problem is, he's probably looking forward to it :innocent:

 

[borndem]

Do inmates know the details of other inmate's crimes? Do they pay attention to that stuff? I don't imagine many inmates sitting there reading the newspaper and they don't have computer access.

Apparently, prison (or at least WC jail) scuttlebutt is right up there with the town crier.

During the Ryan Hare trial, the inmates told the main eyewitnesses, AD and DS -- who took pleas & testified for the ADAs -- things that had happened or that had been said the same day as their testimony -- as soon as AD and DS had gotten back to their respective jailhouse areas. Quite a curious network they had there -- certainly because the inmates knew the defendant & the witnesses from being in jail with them. I can only assume CI's are the same way.

OT: I also wonder how BC doing at The Big House as well as Dr. RC in Hoke CI......

 

[lib's mom]

Apparently, prison (or at least WC jail) scuttlebutt is right up there with the town crier.

During the Ryan Hare trial, the inmates told the main eyewitnesses, AD and DS -- who took pleas & testified for the ADAs -- things that had happened or that had been said the same day as their testimony -- as soon as AD and DS had gotten back to their respective jailhouse areas. Quite a curious network they had there -- certainly because the inmates knew the defendant & the witnesses from being in jail with them. I can only assume CI's are the same way.

OT: I also wonder how BC doing at The Big House as well as Dr. RC in Hoke CI......

hey borndem: I watched all of Ryan Hare's trial (which took place in the same courtroom as JY and BC by the by.) It's crazy what he got those teenagers to believe. "Roger" haha.

I put out feelers last night to check on Dr. Cook. While I don't think his prison experience will be pleasant one, I do think he'll recover and return to a medical practice. What a mess.

Again, JTF, thank you for all your knowledge about this case and willingness to share it.

 

[borndem]

I just finished Amanda Lamb's book about Stephanie Bennett. I was curious about her writing after seeing that she's writing a Nancy Cooper book ... probably a Michelle Fisher Young book too. She'll have her hands full in the next few months trying to wrap up the books. I have to say that it's a good read, although she tends to write like a reporter. That is, she keeps repeating basic facts throughout the book that only need to be mentioned once or at most twice. That small problem becomes irritating, but the content keeps one reading through to the end. I was very impressed with the investigative work and wondered if Perry, Taylor and Copeland were involved in this investigation. It looks like the murder of Michelle was 10 months after closing the Bennett case, so they would have been ideal for relying on old fashioned police work to solve the murder.

BBM - IIRC, P, T and C were RPD investigators. The Young case is in the hands of the WCSO because their property is in WC but not in Raleigh.

I read the book, too. Drew Planten was arrested about 1/2 mile from where I live. Horrible crime -- Planten was a weird one, huh? Very interesting to me was their quest for his DNA -- he foiled them once (putting his straw in his shirt pocket when he went back to the buffet bar -- remember??) but the way it was finally obtained was quite simple and very damaging to him. Yeah, odd dude....

 

[otto]

Yep, guess he lucked out and got a free pass back in.

If he had every reason to be at the hotel that am (and he did), he would be seen on video coming downstairs that am. No such video exists and JLY knew that would be the case....hence his need to turn the stairwell camera away from catching his return to his room (to change into business attire, get his luggage and the receipt from the room).

I've wondered whether Jason knew that the security cameras only captured an image every 10 seconds. Could he have gone down 4 flights of stairs and not been seen on camera? Were there cameras on each floor in the stairwells in 2006?

I think he could have explained the jeans, if anyone asked, by saying he wanted to eat breakfast first - at 6:15 am.

 

[borndem]

I think the quick flip here confirms this is very much a victim friendly site. However, it is also composed of some of the smartest people. I have read your posts and see nothing to indicate police or prosecution corruption. I am very impressed with all the courtroom personnel in this case, including JS. Then I have been impressed with JS for years. I think it is fair game to comment on witnesses and how well you think they have done without detracting from the horrible wrong done the victim, the daughter, and the family of the victim in this case.

I agree -- I will add that for me, one of the differences in the testimony of RZ vs. Gracie is the weight I give to likelihood of possibility of the event; "cleanliness," i.e. no taint, bias, witness gain (reward, attention, praise), or bias; believability of witness; and type of event. I think RZ's testimony may have been unintentionally biased because of the posters & signs with NC's picture everywhere, and the low likelihood of RZ being dead-on accurate since she did not know NC, and had never before stood beside her (for height, build, distinguishing characteristics, etc.). Gracie had a much better shot at ID-ing JY because of the length of time she saw him and that she saw him twice, and the event that made her specifically remember the event.

And, as many others have stated, I have waited on a couple of customers in my high school and college summer jobs, and I am more than 30 yrs removed from them, and I still remember a few azzholes I encountered "across the counter." Grrrr. IMHO -- that's just me.

 

[otto]

BBM - IIRC, P, T and C were RPD investigators. The Young case is in the hands of the WCSO because their property is in WC but not in Raleigh.

I read the book, too. Drew Planten was arrested about 1/2 mile from where I live. Horrible crime -- Planten was a weird one, huh? Very interesting to me was their quest for his DNA -- he foiled them once (putting his straw in his shirt pocket when he went back to the buffet bar -- remember??) but the way it was finally obtained was quite simple and very damaging to him. Yeah, odd dude....

Thanks ... yes. What I didn't quite agree with at the end was the prosecutor saying that because he committed suicide, the opportunity to see into the mind of a monster like that was lost. I disagree. Russell Williams strikes me as having a similar personality, but more sophisticated. When asked why, he didn't know. I agree with the psychologist about the photos. A couple of the same prosecutors and a police officer that were mentioned in that case are also involved in this case.

 

[borndem]

Don't know the answer to that one, but I remember when the night clerk, or what ever his title was, the younger fella. He testified that he discovered the rock in the door, the camera unplugged, & then the camera pushed up towards the ceiling. Can't recall his exact words, but something to the effect of it having been a scary night. All these circumstances occuring on his shift that night. Never before, and not since, just that particular night. Much like Gracie, remembering the guy who cursed at her. Why do people in the south use *curse*? Up north we used to say 'he swore at me'. I never really recall hearing 'cursed at me' until moving south? Just curious on that last bit. :fence:

Ahhh, little transplant Gracie, huh, bless your heart!

IMO, unless we are trying to be polite or proper, we use "cuss" instead of "curse." As in, "He cussed me out," or "I started to cuss him out, but decided not to because..." and so forth. That's not a plus for us, but it's very common....