State vs Jason Lynn Young 6-23-11

[otto]

Were there bloody paw prints at the scene? I don't remember hearing any testimony about that -- so what difference does it make that the dog was clean???:waitasec:

It means one of two things ... either the dog was never allowed to go upstairs, or the dog went upstairs and someone cleaned his feet too.

 

[borndem]

"Short, bald guy". I guess they think if they say it enough it'll stick?

So far I can thing of a reason for everything the defense has put forth as evidence that Jason isn't guilty. They can only hope that the jury is stupid at this point.

Agreed, Wyn -- The ADAs can rebut their arguments fairly easily and at the same time, drive home what the evidence does show against him.

But yes, the DT has done a very good direct argument. It's not as strong as they try to make it seem for obvious reasons.

 

[traveler]

Surely the investigators ran the numbers for gas mileage!

 

[gracielee]

But that hasn't been PROVEN. It's the prosecution's burden to prove that one of those things happened. Evidence of a missing gas can. Or a receipt, or smell of gas in his trunk. Anything, but there's none of that here.

If the prosecution had to prove each and every thing, separate and of itself, no one would ever be convicted of anything. Think of the little Austrailian girl, in the mountains. Sorry, can't recall her name right now. If the prosecution has to *prove* each and every element of that case, no one will ever be held accountable for her death. IIRC, there is no 'cause of death' in that case. For that matter, there is no 'cause of death' in the Caylee Anthony case.

 

[Wyn]

Are you sure she said "thin?" I'm pretty sure she said "little bit of hair."

Someone said "thin". Not sure who without going back and listening to the testimony.

 

[happy2binNC]

The Young's yard is large. I wonder if he used a riding mower? or at the least, he must have had a power mower. Too bad the pros didn't think to check the garage for and EMPTY gas can. If he kept a 1,2,or 5 gal can of gas and it was empty. That could explain some of the mileage difference.

That seems to be the only thing I can think of that MAY be a sticking point for the jury.

Has anyone here figured out the mileage?

JMHO
fran

I thought I heard him say something about never finding evidence of a missing gas can, but my phone was ringing so I could be wrong about that.

They were GOOD. I'm really nervous now that this jury will find him NG.

 

[snowshuze]

If I counted right ....attorney said 3 times Jason got lost.He's figuring that into the mileage. Throws off his math, IMO.

 

[otto]

The gas mileage might get him off. 7 gallons of gas wouldn't cover the trip home and back.

The gas mileage and the unlocked door are both interesting points. He wouldn't have stopped for gas unless he had to, and $15 wouldn't have gotten him to Duffield. Also, slipping the bill under the door and hanging a newspaper on the handle should have caused an unsecure door to pop open a bit.

 

[Boodles]

I think the statements about the hotel clerk placing receipts and newspapers under/on the door is compelling. If the door was not latched, and he hung a USA Today on the handle, it seems it would have jarred the door. That was a good one on behalf of the defense IMO.

 

[WolfpackWoman]

If the prosecution had to prove each and every thing, separate and of itself, no one would ever be convicted of anything. Think of the little Austrailian girl, in the mountains. Sorry, can't recall her name right now. If the prosecution has to *prove* each and every element of that case, no one will ever be held accountable for her death. IIRC, there is no 'cause of death' in that case. For that matter, there is no 'cause of death' in the Caylee Anthony case.

I'm sorry, that's just wrong. The prosecution has the burden of proof for each and every element of a crime. Period. They cannot say "it's possible" without having something to back that up with. I'm not saying they need video of him filling his truck with a gerrycan, I'm saying they need some amount of evidence to fill that gap.

 

[WolfpackWoman]

The gas mileage and the unlocked door are both interesting points. He wouldn't have stopped for gas unless he had to, and $15 wouldn't have gotten him to Duffield. Also, slipping the bill under the door and hanging a newspaper on the handle should have caused an unsecure door to pop open a bit.

This last bit is an excellent point. I missed that completely.

 

[borndem]

Might sound petty, but I don't consider JY to have a "thick" head of hair at all. Looks rather fine and thin to me.

ITA - It is thin -- I've agreed with Gracie since she said it. He does not have a bushy head of hair -- even in the few times we've seen it clean.

 

[RaleighNC]

The gas mileage and the unlocked door are both interesting points. He wouldn't have stopped for gas unless he had to, and $15 wouldn't have gotten him to Duffield. Also, slipping the bill under the door and hanging a newspaper on the handle should have caused an unsecure door to pop open a bit.

The bill is usually a single sheet of paper - not enough to move a hotel door at all

Ever Hilton property I have ever stayed at placed the newspaper on the floor directly outside the door - they do not hang it - or else it would obscure the "do not disturb" hanger, and it would take too long - i.e. to bag it and then place on the handle.

 

[ncsu95]

The gas mileage and the unlocked door are both interesting points. He wouldn't have stopped for gas unless he had to, and $15 wouldn't have gotten him to Duffield. Also, slipping the bill under the door and hanging a newspaper on the handle should have caused an unsecure door to pop open a bit.

I disagree with that. You would have to push on the door for it to pop open.

 

[otto]

This last bit is an excellent point. I missed that completely.

He placed the comment in the context of staff at the hotel already being concerned about security with the propped door and camera tilt. In placing a newspaper on the doorhandle, the door should have opened a bit and that should have added to the concern about the hotel security, but there's no mention of the door being unsecured.

 

[cody100]

The prosecution has more significant problems now. They have never shown he bought gas anywhere else, and they never found gas can or evidence of one in the vehicle. I have some concern now.

 

[fran]

IMHO, once the pros goes over the circumstances that point towards guilt. I believe there's MORE than enough, to prove it was JY who committed this crime. One can explain one or two or even three things that may be not what they appear. But when you add them all up in a row, the voluminous set of circumstances don't point towards coincidence, but a blueprint of murder.

There is NO coincidence when it comes to murder.

JMHO
fran

 

[gracielee]

The Young's yard is large. I wonder if he used a riding mower? or at the least, he must have had a power mower. Too bad the pros didn't think to check the garage for and EMPTY gas can. If he kept a 1,2,or 5 gal can of gas and it was empty. That could explain some of the mileage difference.

That seems to be the only thing I can think of that MAY be a sticking point for the jury.

Has anyone here figured out the mileage?

JMHO
fran

We have about an acre of land, and we also have a generator. We have four, five gallon cans for gas, and one or two smaller cans. IIRC, one of the gas powered thingies uses a mixture of gas & oil, or some such thing, hence the smaller cans of gas/mixture fuel. But we do have at least four of the big huge cans. Often times a number of those are empty, unless hubby has just taken them all to be filled up. I was with him the last time we filled them, a couple weeks ago. IIRC, we took three of the five gallon cans to fill that time. And since we are a distance from shopping, we tend to combine trips, so that trip we were stopping at Lowes & Home Depot prior to filling the gas cans. Even in this extreme heat we've been having, once we opened the car windows to drive home, any smell of the gas cans in the car, dissipated. We had the RAV 4, so no trunk, the cans were just in the back of the RAV.

 

[otto]

The bill is usually a single sheet of paper - not enough to move a hotel door at all

Ever Hilton property I have ever stayed at placed the newspaper on the floor directly outside the door - they do not hang it - or else it would obscure the "do not disturb" hanger, and it would take too long - i.e. to bag it and then place on the handle.

I'm wondering that too. Newspaper are usually placed on the floor, not the door handle. However, slipping a notice under the door may cause an unsecure door to open a bit - would depend on whether someone's hand bumped the door in the process.

 

[fran]

The prosecution has more significant problems now. They have never shown he bought gas anywhere else, and they never found gas can or evidence of one in the vehicle. I have some concern now.

They haven't found evidence of a gas can in the vehicle, but what about in the Young's garage? IF he used a power mower, there would be a gas can there. Too bad that's never been brought up.

fran