State vs Jason Lynn Young 6-23-11

[JiminWilton]

What exactly is the evidence that shows that JY put that rock in the door?

 

[ncsu95]

We seem to differ... what has he said that got you off the fence?

Think we'll hear about the size 10 bloody footprints? Will he explain the gasoline consumption argument?

A couple of things that I hadn't thought of before:

1. The killer going into Jason's closet. No purpose in doing that. Also, the closet wasn't rummaged through.
2. The dog. If this was a break in, that dog would have gone nuts and it would have alerted Michelle. The dog wouldn't have done that with Jason.

 

[gracielee]

State says no evidence of robbery... what sophistry. Robbery requires one to intimidate and be present before the victim. The missing rings and jewelry box drawers are evidence of burglary.
Labradors do not attack, but they do slobber and love all over you.

My deceased black lab mix would *protect* me from a stranger. One of our daughters has a beautiful yellow lab, pure bred. He is completely and totally gentle with every baby, child, and family member, but he has bitten at least three males who were unknown to him. Males, unknown to him but on their property. He's approx. 100 pounds, and will slobber all over us, but if you are a male, unknown to him, he will bite you if you come on their property. That's a given.

 

[happy2binNC]

"Mr. Fantastic!":floorlaugh:

 

[WolfpackWoman]

I think the dog argument is an interesting one, and what testimony have we had on that? I mean, I have had a dog that would go CRAZY if one of us came home. He had to let the other know, loud, barking, jumping, howling. But would run and hide if it was someone he didn't know. I've also got a dog that's just the opposite, loud and obnoxious to strangers, and barely lifted his head if he knew it was one of us. Do we know how Mr. G acted?

 

[gorealtors]

What exactly is the evidence that shows that JY put that rock in the door?

He couldn't be excluded when they did the DNA analysis.

 

[WolfpackWoman]

He couldn't be excluded when they did the DNA analysis.

I don't think that's significant. How many people couldn't be excluded? Isn't there something like a huge number of the population that can't be excluded from each DNA profile?

 

[RaleighNative]

I don't think that's significant. How many people couldn't be excluded? Isn't there something like a huge number of the population that can't be excluded from each DNA profile?

I thought I remember the profile matched 1 person for every 79.

 

[cody100]

Not excluding does not mean his DNA is there, just means they couldn't exclude him. Kinda like negating each other. But it does allow for use in arguments.

 

[otto]

So the newspaper bag was put on the door handle.

 

[JiminWilton]

He couldn't be excluded when they did the DNA analysis.

Finding my DNA on any object does not prove anything except that I touched it. It does not prove that I used it to prop open a door or threw it at a dog (barking or otherwise) or anything else. It proves I touched it. That's all.

Further, for LE to have found the exact rock, e pluribus unum, that JY allegedly used to prop open the door and which was either kicked or thrown outside by the night clerk is beyond belief. Might be, but wasn't LabCorp the badguy in the Duke Lacrosse case?

 

[otto]

One thing to add otto... hotel doors are kind of heavy.

True - depending on the hotel ... hadn't thought of that.

 

[Wyn]

Cigar lie just went down in flames.

 

[JiminWilton]

Didn't this ADA just preach that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence? Well, does that apply to cigar smoking?

Is this "having it both ways"? Methinks yes.

 

[cody100]

I know cigar smokers who never use anything to cut the end of the cigar. Nasty habit to me.

 

[otto]

I think the dog argument is an interesting one, and what testimony have we had on that? I mean, I have had a dog that would go CRAZY if one of us came home. He had to let the other know, loud, barking, jumping, howling. But would run and hide if it was someone he didn't know. I've also got a dog that's just the opposite, loud and obnoxious to strangers, and barely lifted his head if he knew it was one of us. Do we know how Mr. G acted?

The dog was Jason's before the marriage, and was most likely introduced to a lot of people through his and Michelle's social circles. I doubt a dog that had so many people around would be a serious guard dog.

 

[WolfpackWoman]

Cigar lie just went down in flames.

I can't watch this morning. What did he say?

 

[Boodles]

Yeah, you really don't stand outside in the wind and smoke cigars. Cigar smoking is a hunkered down activity - and it takes a l-o-n-g time to smoke one. It rings totally false.

 

[otto]

Not excluding does not mean his DNA is there, just means they couldn't exclude him. Kinda like negating each other. But it does allow for use in arguments.

Wasn't it something like 2 markers out of 16 were similar?

 

[otto]

Finding my DNA on any object does not prove anything except that I touched it. It does not prove that I used it to prop open a door or threw it at a dog (barking or otherwise) or anything else. It proves I touched it. That's all.

Further, for LE to have found the exact rock, e pluribus unum, that JY allegedly used to prop open the door and which was either kicked or thrown outside by the night clerk is beyond belief. Might be, but wasn't LabCorp the badguy in the Duke Lacrosse case?

There must have been thousands of rocks so finding a rock that can't exclude someone doesn't say much of anything - it's suggestive argument, not conclusive.