State vs Jason Lynn Young: weekend discussion 11-25 Feb 2012

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  • #141
Just heard HC say he has "short term memory loss."

Yeah, no kidding.

Does CW not realize this guy needs to either retire or be put in an administrative-only role until he's ready for retirement? He can't do the job of presenting any more, IMHO.
 
  • #142
My bad on the 1:17:30.

What you found at 1:10:20 doesn't say it either. That's actually Michelle saying Jason said he was hearing noises, not Shelly or even Michelle saying it.

I went back to find one of the posts from yesterday and it was


so I assumed it was something that was said around the questions about Michelle walking her to her car.

I was agreeing with you in my post. I am the one who said I would track it down. This is my update. Here is my first post:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - State vs Jason Lynn Young: weekend discussion 11-25 Feb 2012

Here is my update:
Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - State vs Jason Lynn Young: weekend discussion 11-25 Feb 2012
 
  • #143
http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10704274/#/vid10704274

OK, Day 3, Part 3 at approx 1:10:20 (The info you posted is actually at the 1:17:30 mark) she says she had an eery feeling that night and asked MY if she ever gets scared alone by herself. MY says JLY has been hearing noises around the house but if someone intends to break in and kill you, that's what they'll do.

That's it for me, if someone has the link & timestamp where SS says she felt like she was being watched, your turn.

Looks like I have to do this again.:)

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/10704797/#/vid10704797

timestamped 36:55 mark

Shelly says she felt like the 2 of them were being watched while watching tv."
 
  • #144
Yep, she sure did........:wink:

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10704797/#/vid10704797

On cross with Klinkosum......timestamped: 36:55 minutes

"She felt like the 2 of them were being watched while they were watching television.."

Day 3, Part 4 video.

February 8, 2012

FWIW that's actually the Defense attorney saying Shelly 'described it before as' feeling like they were being watched.


Q: Now you indicated that that night there was an errie feeling, correct?

A: Yes.

Q: Ok, and you said it was just really strong?

A: Yes.

Q: Ok, and you've described this before as you felt like you the two of you were being watched, correct?

A: Yes.
 
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Moonflower!!!! :woohoo:

You are so welcome,
I only have a few minutes,
I have to post my 50 reasons why there is reasonable doubt in this case.
:biggrin:

Did you remember in the first trial Shelly also said she was so scared she had Michelle walk her out to her car, she then called her husband and talked to him all the way home?"

Sounds like she was pretty spooked over something!!

I don't know if that came in this trial, and no, I am not looking it up, lol.

50 reasons? Wonder if there are more than 50 coincidences the jurors will have to overlook to agree with that reasonable doubt. jmt
 
  • #148
50 reasons? Wonder if there are more than 50 coincidences the jurors will have to overlook to agree with that reasonable doubt. jmt

My list of reasonable doubt has nothing to do with the Jurors.
It comes from following the case for 5+ years and how I
arrived at my position of either NG or enough reasonable doubt to hang.

Thanxx.
 
  • #149
Please continue discussion for the weekend here.

Next week begins the defense case!

Thanks for the weekend thread, Fran, can't believe we are almost at the finish line________________.
5+years, wow.
 
  • #150
My list of reasonable doubt has nothing to do with the Jurors.
It comes from following the case for 5+ years and how I
arrived at my position of either NG or enough reasonable doubt to hang.

Thanxx.

Okie dokie.
 
  • #151
Exactly ... I don't think I would have shoes for everyday use and still be wearing them one and a half years later.

It would depend on the condition of the shoe and how many times it was worn, plus the quality of the shoe to begin with.

Most of my shoes are Skechers.......jogging and soft ball.
 
  • #152
It would depend on the condition of the shoe and how many times it was worn, plus the quality of the shoe to begin with.

Most of my shoes are Sketchers.......jogging and soft ball.

Ah Cammy we wear the same kind of shoes, I have 4 pair of Sketchers!!
 
  • #153
Ah Cammy we wear the same kind of shoes, I have 4 pair of Sketchers!!


Lol, Lucky, I hate to tell you this, but they have a big sale this weekend.

I never can spell that right, its actually skechers.......doesn't look right, does it?

I do not want to tell you how many pairs of shoes I have......:eek:
 
  • #154
I think a lot of the differing opinions may come from women. I (female) have many shoes going back 5 years. I don't think I've ever "worn out" a shoe - except for running shoes; they are replaced a couple times a year. My husband however, goes through shoes like crazy - it's bizarre how he ruins them. His expensive dress shoes can go a year but that's it. All other shoes become yard-work shoes before year end.

I agree, my boyfriend is sooooooo hard on shoes too.

What he does though, is he will leave his good dress shoes when he comes in from work, and then he will go out and start doing something, like working on his bike, or some guy from our apt complex will get him shooting hoops.

His sports shoes are mostly cleats, ( local softball team) and I don't let him wear those inside the condo.

Plus, guys can be a little lazy about their shoes, he really doesn't care.
 
  • #155
If he had signed the visitation agreement, would he then have to undergo questioning? If not and it was not a costly process as the prosecution stated then what other reason would there be? I think it will come out in the defense case that it wasn't as easy as this attorney made it out to be and that's why the defense didn't go further with it. My opinion.

I didn't watch the first trial so have no clue who they will call as witnesses. Did they call Jason's family law attorney to the stand?

Hi ~n/t~.

No, Jason's family attorney has not been called yet.
I am curious as to how the defense will fill 4 days with witnesses.
I just do not think Jason should get back on the stand.
His prior testimony came in per video, and that should be enough.
 
  • #156
I read a few pages back where someone disputed the HP testimony because the guy from HP said it wasn't a "match." That scares the heck out of me. Because that person obviously did not listen to the testimony, they are hanging a conclusion on a buzz word.

For clarity, the witness said it was not possible to *match* because by definition, you would need the original shoe to *match* it to the prototype. Since the shoe is *missing* it cannot be compared to the prototype, so the best they can say, using their standards, is that it is "consistent with."

Goodness, if someone can't *get* that, what else might they not *get*? I hope the jury is better able to assimilate information.

I think jury selection standards need to be revised, and I am serious. Instead of asking whether one has heard of a case (if one hadn't heard of this case, one would be very uninformed, that is, oblivious to their community), they ought to test for aptitude and ability to *reason, that is, make reasonable conclusions*. And they should have to pass a test for "it's boring but the juror can stay awake." Because that juror(s?) who are nodding off needs to be gone.

smh

I think that everyone gets that the print in the bedroom is consistent with a shoe that the prosecution had manufactured for this trial. The manufactured shoe is not a match to the print, but there are similarities between the print and the manufactured sole pattern. The print in the bedroom has not been demonstrated as consistent with a shoe in evidence or a shoe belonging to Jason.

I don't know that aptitude, or ability to reason, would result in people assuming that because a print at the crime scene is consistent with a sole pattern of a shoe that the prosecution had manufactured, the manufactured shoe is a match to shoes that once belonged to Jason. Personally, I think it's a weak link in the argument, but perhaps my ability to make reasonable conclusions is impaired. I think that the prosecution is asking the jury to make assumptions that the crime scene print is a match to the manufactured shoe and that the manufactured shoe is a match to a shoe that Jason purchased 1.5 years earlier, but not everyone sees it that way.
 
  • #157
It was a long time ago so I'm not sure of my facts. But I do recall when that one witness was talking about a car being in the driveway of the victim's home, IF it was possibly the week prior she witnessed that, 'wouldn't that have been the weekend of the wedding?' 'Could that incident have actually happened the prior week and it was Jason and Michelle leaving for the wedding?'

I don't know if they've ever established what time JY and MY left the home that weekend and what time JY met up with his buddies at the gas station. But the discussion about the girls going later was because the guy's tee time was much earlier than was necessary for everyone to arrive at the hotel. So it was just arranged for the girls to go later and be there in time for the guys to be finished with their golf game.

We do know the JY and MY left together, so MY would have arrived at the hotel earlier than the other wives/gf's. The question is, "What time did they leave and was it this incident that the witness perhaps remembered?"

Just a thought.

JMHO
fran


Hi Fran. :seeya:

SS testified that MY showed up at her house around 9 am on her wedding day, asking if she could ride with her.

Ms. Beaver saw a car at 5:30 am with 2 people on Nov 3rd, 2006.

Also, there was a stipulation from an elderly neighbor we didn't get to hear too much about, but this lady was supposedly being driven to a doctor or hospital app't and saw Michelle's car in the driveway at 7am the morning of 11/03 as well.

I can not confirm this but it was told to me by someone who asked one of the court reporters about this.
I did hear some of it though being discussed at the end of the defense's case, and they asked Judge Stephens to enter the stipulation, which he did.

Maybe we will learn more about it this time, maybe the lady will actually testify even through a depo.

I believe she was in her 80's.........

jmo
 
  • #158
A great example of what I've been referring to here as 'mis-statement of the facts, evidence, testimony given at trial, etc. Done over and over on these boards during this case. And when someone points it out to the poster, the fact is simply ignored by said poster/s, and often times later repeated again as the same misstatement of the facts. :maddening:

The print is not a match to any shoes that Jason owned or any shoe manufactured by the prosecution. All we have is a similarity between a print in the bedroom and a sole pattern produced by the prosecution. Wouldn't it be a mistatement of fact to suggest that the crime scene print is a match to anything related to Jason?

I've been more interested in wear pattern, as that is something that remains the same regardless of which shoes one person is wearing. There should have been a lot of wear on the crime scene print if the shoe was 1.5 years old. Investigators have other shoes that belonged to Jason so they should have been able to demonstrate that the wear pattern on the crime scene print was consistent with wear patterns on other shoes belonging to Jason. That evidence is missing. In fact, it almost seems like there was no wear pattern on the crime scene print, which is odd for an old shoe.
 
  • #159
One thing I just remembered, I guess we are not going to hear anything about
Jason's second meeting that day?

I thought there was going to be a ruling on whether the person would testify.

I know Jason said he went by there, and dropped off a business card, but they
kind of left that up in the air, unless I missed it.

Anyone know what happened with that?
Thank you.
 
  • #160
Hi Fran. :seeya:

SS testified that MY showed up at her house around 9 am on her wedding today, asking if she could ride with her.

Ms. Beaver saw a car at 5:30 am with 2 people on Nov 3rd, 2006.

Also, there was a stipulation from an elderly neighbor we didn't get to hear too much about, but this lady was supposedly being driven to a doctor or hospital app't and saw Michelle's car in the driveway at 7am the morning of 11/03 as well.

I can not confirm this but it was told to me by someone who asked one of the court reporters about this.
I did hear some of it though being discussed at the end of the defense's case, and they asked Judge Stephens to enter the stipulation, which he did.

Maybe we will learn more about it this time,or, maybe the lady will actually testify even through a depo.

I believe she was in her 80's.........

jmo

I was half listening to the testimony of Josh Dalton to find out the date of the wedding ... I think it was the weekend of October 12. The golf time was at 7 and Michelle drove Jason to meet Josh and friends early that morning. There's more information in his testimony about times.
 
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