State Wants Evidence From Casey's Defense Team

[cyberborg]

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Ah, Paintr, I so agree. I wish I could share the excitement here about seeming "gotcha" moments, but what we're actually watching is just a pre-trial dance like an 18th century minuet--where both sides perform slow, predictable, obligatory, formal moves in front of the judge. The only possible outcome of this "minuet" is for both sides to maintain their positions--and stay in the other side's way--before the music ends and the trial begins. Periodically, ill-bred members of both sides may snigger and point and laugh at each other when a dancer stumbles over a step, but it's actually considered bad manners and doesn't influence the judge favorably or affect the dance at all. IMO

ITA. The Defense will dribble some inconsequential discovery just to be compliant and be seen to be playing ball but they will delay and drag their feet and hold what they can back. Our tax dollars at work as they play slow motion chess. This was the first CHECK of many to come.

 

[Daylight/1257]

If it is her, She Who Is Never Without a Bottle of Water in Her Hand certainly has a fixation on liquid intake. Was this the worst thing she could think of to say about TM? Why didn't she attack his flood maps or challenge him with sloppy record keeping? None of which is true, but it would have served better than a blatant personal attack.

Equusearch worked in the county I live in hunting a grandmother who had gone missing a few years ago. TM and company have a sterling reputation here (as in other places) and our Chief of Police is pretty sure he can walk on water.

 

[Brini]

Thanks Vicki. That's either her, or somebody pretending to be her just to stir things up. AKA a troll.

But it would not surprise anyone, I think, if it were her.

Very venomous. Very personal. Somebody is very emotionally involved, and also feels personally threatened.

Lemme see.. who all have accused TM of drunkeness... ?

The capital "NOTHING" reminds me of discussions of the car's odor, too. She tends to repeat negatives twice ("nothing" twice, in the OT post). Like she did with the "smell" denial-- "there was no smell, NO SMELL!"

I wouldn't take an oath that it's CA. But, I will commit to the fact that some poster has her STYLE down pat.

As another poster opined, it could easily be her evil twin, Spike.

 

[Paintr]

ITA. The Defense will dribble some inconsequential discovery just to be compliant and be seen to be playing ball but they will delay and drag their feet and hold what they can back. Our tax dollars at work as they play slow motion chess. This was the first CHECK of many to come.

I am sure Mr Baez and team will delay every detail of this case as long as possible. Look for a late start to the trial after several requests for delays.

Just a small question. I realize the defense needs a DP qualified attorny since this is a DP case. But I assume that Ms Lyons is a lady of leisure since joining the team.

If Mr Baez has definite proof that KC is innocent and plans to suprise the world in court and have KC aquitted, then obviously Ms Lyons has no need of preparing any evidence or arguements for the sentencing portion of this trial. According to Mr Baez and Co the SA asking for the DP will be proved irrevelant.

So Ms Lyons must have no work to do, right? :waitasec:

(snark intended )

 

[Brini]

ITA. The Defense will dribble some inconsequential discovery just to be compliant and be seen to be playing ball but they will delay and drag their feet and hold what they can back. Our tax dollars at work as they play slow motion chess. This was the first CHECK of many to come.

Maybe that H2O is really Stoli? Just saying...

 

[cyberborg]

If it is her, She Who Is Never Without a Bottle of Water in Her Hand certainly has a fixation on liquid intake. Was this the worst thing she could think of to say about TM? Why didn't she attack his flood maps or challenge him with sloppy record keeping? None of which is true, but it would have served better than a blatant personal attack.

Equusearch worked in the county I live in hunting a grandmother who had gone missing a few years ago. TM and company have a sterling reputation here (as in other places) and our Chief of Police is pretty sure he can walk on water.

BBM That'd be too intelligent and with opposing data points warrant an analytical debate :clap:. Emotional attacks :crazy: versus Analytical logic :waitasec: ..... hmmm which one would better inform and sway the future Jury pool?

 

[Brini]

I would hope and pray that this is a troll since if it is someone from or connected with the A family it seems the poster is only concerned with hatred of the LE and TM/TES, blind support for KC and -- complete disrespect for Caylee. Such venom.

There is no thought of Justice for Caylee, to seek the perp if SODDI but merely a backlash against those that dare prosecute the princess KC.

If true, how do you reconcile the inner realization that KC did actually do this with this hatred of the reality that she is being brought to account. Such inner conflict must tear the poster apart. Self-destruction?

How do you ever find inner peace? It is like an age old crusader using religion as a banner for the conquest but using it in vain as if spitting on Caylee's and God's remembrance to focus on the here and now.

Well, inner peace is found.. within. And, it doesn't appear that CA ever ventures there. All the As appear to be about externals.

 

[Brini]

Oh I think the script is supposed to be like Oz--always behind the curtain!

(Do you think the "script" will be exposed as OZ was?)

Yeah, well.. Maybe LInda, the state prosecutor's middle name is "Dorothy," because my guess is that the curtain is about to be yanked off its' rod.

 

[RR0004]

I would like to think this is a 'gotcha' moment for the defense, but I really have my doubts.

Judging by past preformances, Mr Baez will either

#1...file a badly written motion demanding a court hearing and a decision from the judge on how the release of discovery would ruin his defense plans.

#2 Or Mr Baez will demand an extension because he has not had time to prepare his discovery.

#3 Or Mr Baez will blame the state,the FBI, the labs,the US mail, and anyone else he can think of in a Hail Mary, the dog ate my homework play to avoid providing proof.

The judge will accommodate the defense in an effort to guard the purity of the trial and this will fizzle out and fade away until very close to trial when Mr Baez will turn over the bare minimum of discovery to the state.

As I see it, there will be no plea. The SA doesn't need one and no one on the defense wants one. Too many players have their fingers in the pot to back out now. Win, lose, or draw, the publicity of the trial guarantees future recognition, book sales, personal appearances, in other words big profits.

...and just today I was thinking what a disservice it was on JB's part not to plead his client out when/if he had the opportunity.

 

[cmsg2002]

don't want to drift too off-topic here, but it got me thinking with KC's alleged comments about a mistrial....

could JB be deliberately looking for a way to force a mistrial, either by his own arguments or forcing both the SA and Judge into one?

.....then again, I'm reluctant to give him this much credit for thinking ahead...

 

[Brini]

I love that movie, All About Eve, and I just saw it last Saturday at a wonderful restored theatre. The dialogue is fantastic, rapid fire.....IIRC (just last week) Margo Channing/Bette Davis says....."Fasten your seat belts. It's going to be a bumpy night." Trouble was brewing at a party she threw for her boyfriend, and she was spoiling for and drinking her way to trouble......Sorry OT.....

Pretty sure you're right! Marilyn, when she was just a starlet, was in it.

 

[Kentjbkent]

Great question. I hope so!

I think they only have to turn over what they plan on using in the trial, and if it doesn't help their case, it doesn't seem like they would use it.

And at this point, knowing what everyone knows about DC involvement, I don't think Baez is going to touch that with a ten foot pole!

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I have a couple of pages left to read, but I do feel compelled to comment now!

I listened to the hearing on August 21 and took the time to transcribe what Macaluso said.

As Your Honor knows, the body of Caylee Marie Anthony was found very close to the Anthony home, and the body was found in a wooded area that if one were to search for a missing child, this is the first place you would go search. There is substantial evidence that we’ve discovered, and that’s been set forth in our brief, Your Honor, that the body or the remains of Caylee Anthony were placed there after Casey Anthony was locked up in the Orange County Correctional Facility. There is substantial evidence, and that proves, Your Honor, her innocence. That’s exculpatory evidence, it proves that somebody else placed the remains in the area where it was ultimately found.

[ame="http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/2021052"]The Case Against Casey Anthony, Casey Anthony’s defense team hopes to get evidence proving she did not dump her daughter’s body in the woods. CFNews13 ...[/ame]

Notice, he said it was exculpatory, and in the brief! Well, I read all the information appended to the brief, and I can't find one bit of exculpatory evidence!

He also says that the body was placed in the Suburban location while Casey was in jail. He later stated that it proved her innocence!

Wanna bet that in a hearing, Macaluso or Baez will say, "We already gave them the information in the brief!"

Here's a link to the appendices in the brief that supposedly contain the information to which Macaluso was referring:

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090246/detail.html

 

[Kentjbkent]

There were a few more, way before the jail incident, I'm thinking maybe in Aug/Sept/Oct of last year? There was some news coverage of them - Tony L was definitely one, Amy H possibly (not sure), maybe the Johnson's Towing people as Eunice said. Not very many, and nothing was ever heard about them again.

Hey Muzikman,

Got home and started looking for depositions by Baez again, and did find more, but all related to jail employees or OCSO in relations to those involved at jail on day KC notified body was found and in relations to Kronk.

The only thing I can find on Tony L is that he hired an attorney in anticipation of a deposition by Baez, but after a very tailored google search, can find one reference that states he HAS actually been deposed by Jose. Am I missing something somewhere?

Also, same thing with Amy H. Lots of articles about her hiring an attorney before attending a deposition, a couple articles where Baez is quoted stating "he hopes to depose her in the next few weeks", but can find nothing as a confirmation that these actually took place?

Help?!

 

[TakeNote]

Thank you Carolinamoon for link!!
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090246/detail.html


A. Excerpt from 911 call on July 15, 2008

B. Excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Joy W October 2008

C, Excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with deputy Cain December 18, 2008

D. Excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Keith w. January 15, 2008

E. orange county sheriffs office critical incident management team after action report-caylee anthony, south east orange county, broad based area search august 30-September 7, 2008

F. memo from chief ron stucker, orange county CID to sheriff Beary

G. blog post to discovery channel by David L. September 7, 2008

H. excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Dominic C. January 7, 2009

I. Texas EquuSearch membership application

J. map of suburban drive, Orlando fl printed from maps.google.com

K. excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Kiomarie July 18, 2008

L. orange county sheriffs office gridded search map of suburban drive area

is this the evidence the defense has?

 

[skygirl]

Maybe that H2O is really Stoli? Just saying...

ABSOLUTEly!

 

[CarolinaMoon]

Thank you Carolinamoon for link!!
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090246/detail.html


A. Excerpt from 911 call on July 15, 2008

B. Excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Joy W October 2008

C, Excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with deputy Cain December 18, 2008

D. Excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Keith w. January 15, 2008

E. orange county sheriffs office critical incident management team after action report-caylee anthony, south east orange county, broad based area search august 30-September 7, 2008

F. memo from chief ron stucker, orange county CID to sheriff Beary

G. blog post to discovery channel by David L. September 7, 2008

H. excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Dominic C. January 7, 2009

I. Texas EquuSearch membership application

J. map of suburban drive, Orlando fl printed from maps.google.com

K. excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Kiomarie July 18, 2008

L. orange county sheriffs office gridded search map of suburban drive area

is this the evidence the defense has?

Yup! Most of it goes to proving TES was working for the OCSO. The only link to a TES team leader is the drivel from JW. We know how reliable she is! Plus, how do we know she actually worked with TES? That's one thing I'm sure Baez & Co. will look for when they review the 4000 documented searchers. They will be looking for her and for her to be a team leader in a search. The problem here is, that Macaluso mentions a TES team leader and never mentions who that is and yet she's the only link.

For your reading pleasure, here's a link for Joy W's LE interview...

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

It's worth the read!

 

[mitzi]

Linda Drane Burdick is my hero-next to Kathi Belich!!:clap:

ITA! By the way, isn't that Cindy's NBC producer, poking his bald head up in the photo of LDB? :crazy:

 

[Kentjbkent]

Thank you Carolinamoon for link!!
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20090246/detail.html


A. Excerpt from 911 call on July 15, 2008

B. Excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Joy W October 2008

C, Excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with deputy Cain December 18, 2008

D. Excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Keith w. January 15, 2008
E. orange county sheriffs office critical incident management team after action report-caylee anthony, south east orange county, broad based area search august 30-September 7, 2008

F. memo from chief ron stucker, orange county CID to sheriff Beary

G. blog post to discovery channel by David L. September 7, 2008

H. excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Dominic C. January 7, 2009

I. Texas EquuSearch membership application

J. map of suburban drive, Orlando fl printed from maps.google.com

K. excerpt from orange county sheriffs office interview with Kiomarie July 18, 2008

L. orange county sheriffs office gridded search map of suburban drive area

is this the evidence the defense has?

Coincidental that you just posted all this....I was reading something else and Keith W was mentioned so went looking to see what we all collectively thought (since I recalled nothing about him!) and found this interview.

Quick synopsis, when Keith W came into play, what was the general consensus....some truth or total BS?

 

[SoCalSleuth]

Yup! Most of it goes to proving TES was working for the OCSO. The only link to a TES team leader is the drivel from JW. We know how reliable she is! Plus, how do we know she actually worked with TES? That's one thing I'm sure Baez & Co. will look for when they review the 4000 documented searchers. They will be looking for her and for her to be a team leader in a search. The problem here is, that Macaluso mentions a TES team leader and never mentions who that is and yet she's the only link.

For your reading pleasure, here's a link for Joy W's LE interview...

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/19735491/detail.html

It's worth the read!

The supposed "exculpatory evidence" is there. They are going to claim that the deputy looked in August and didn't see any such bag or white thing or skull. They are going to claim that DC looked in November and did not see any such bag or thing. Etc. Although we can debate the merits of such argument--this is the evidence they are relying upon.