Stephen Powell Arrested in Washington State #2

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If it can be shown that SP helped JP 'poison' Susan (if that was the case) or hide the details, couldn't he be charged with "aiding and abetting a felony" which has very serious consequences.

Of course. I don't know the sentencing structure in Utah or Washington (whichever would apply), but yes, it's on par with the underlying crime. What I thought was being suggested, though, was that JP may try a defense (assuming he is charged) that somehow implicated Daddy in Susan's death, thereby trying to pull off a Casey Defense (hey, maybe I just coined a new legal term...kind of like the Twinkie Defense...). I think that's a very very very long shot, unless they come up with something placing Daddy in Utah that weekend.
 
Thinking about Susan today; and hoping today is the day that Joshie looses his cool and makes another BIG mistake. Hoping that today is the day that either Josh or SP break and rat out the other!! Come on guys! You can do it! You are right, the other one is on the brink, so you better be first to get the better "deal". Come on, just fess up what you know!! {under breath Scumbags!}
 
I'm jumping way ahead of myself here but does anyone else see that Steven Powell would take the stand and testify in his own defense.

Absolutely he would. The whole sorry saga of his life awkwardly counterpoised to the equally appalling story of his rise to greatness. And then the long fall back down, caused exclusively by the relentless lustful attentions of his daughter-in-law, then the tempting neighbourhood women and children, and so on, day after day. I can see it now:

"Your honour, if I might just have my guitar -- I've put my testimony to music..."

Save us.

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Without a doubt Lera!

...over his lawyer's dead body! :floorlaugh::great::floorlaugh:


(No, really I can't see him keeping his mouth shut! My apologies to lawyers everywhere!)


Sure, I can see it. He's already done it on national tv, why not court?

IMO
 
I know we can't scope out his whole family and all but in situations like this with Stephen Powell, I would like to read and get to know the whole biography on a person. Who raised them, how they were raised, what they were like as children, what their parents were like, was his parents divorced or stayed married a long time, the grandparents, the siblings, I just would love to see it all. The truthful version of course. I crave this info so I can make my own conclusions as to what may have went wrong and when it started. If anyone in any and all parts of his life had even an inkling of the man he is. I know his daughter, Jennifer, has spoken out that that it didn't surprise her, but I'm meaning others, too, like the rest of his family, friends, co-workers and his ex-wife.

Jennifer seems to be a very moral person and I applaud her in that!
 
JVM tweeted: issueswithjvm Jane Velez-Mitchell
Susan Powell's father-in-law just arrested on child 🤬🤬🤬🤬 charges. Now his friend is saying he was obsessed w/ Susan! Details at 7pET/4pPT.

I replied: Doh! so what's so new about that?
 
I wish my mind would stop!

Didn't they said the pics from Stephen's collection was 2006-2007? There is more pictures out there somewhere, in my opinion. Wondering if he has a lockbox??
 
I wish my mind would stop!

Didn't they said the pics from Stephen's collection was 2006-2007? There is more pictures out there somewhere, in my opinion. Wondering if he has a lockbox??

I think those are just the ones he was charged for. I believe they still have a ton to go through.
 
I know we can't scope out his whole family and all but in situations like this with Stephen Powell, I would like to read and get to know the whole biography on a person. Who raised them, how they were raised, what they were like as children, what their parents were like, was his parents divorced or stayed married a long time, the grandparents, the siblings, I just would love to see it all. The truthful version of course. I crave this info so I can make my own conclusions as to what may have went wrong and when it started. If anyone in any and all parts of his life had even an inkling of the man he is. I know his daughter, Jennifer, has spoken out that that it didn't surprise her, but I'm meaning others, too, like the rest of his family, friends, co-workers and his ex-wife.

Jennifer seems to be a very moral person and I applaud her in that!

I understand what you are talking about.

I have been doing a little research into Steve Powell. What is interesting is that his good friend Sandy is the president of an ex-Mormon group in Washington. She helps organize meet-ups of ex-Mormons in the Seattle area.
Steve as we know has been very vocal about his anti-Mormon views, and from what Sandy has said, these views of SP are voiced in discussion groups online. I am looking for those records now, they should be online somewhere.

I have also researched the crux of the problem between JP and Susan. It is my theory that JP had basic survival needs (finance, caring for the kids) for Susan to be alive, and that the only reason he would have killed her is from the deranged idea that his survival was enhanced by doing so. In this case, it would allow him to keep the kids and not be stuck with child support payments for the next 16 years.

The crux of the problem was their religious views were at polar opposites due to the propaganda being put out by his dad, Steven Powell.

What makes this problem more significant than the average couple is the type of religion that was the issue here. Here is an interesting summation of this point from a website that takes on the issue:

And it’s quite a difference indeed when the subject is
Mormonism. It’s a common problem: A man and a
woman, both True Believers, fall in love and marry. Then
one of them leaves the church but the other still believes,
and although they still love each other, suddenly their
whole world is shattered.
In some churches it doesn’t matter much. “I’m a Baptist, you’re a Methodist, but hey, we both worship the
same God, so no big deal. One of us can switch, or we can
work out a compromise, or we can just ignore the differences. No problem.”
But for a Mormon couple it isn’t that simple. There is
the matter of Celestial marriage, the question of raising the
kids to go on missions, the burden of tithing, the distress of
being ostracized by relatives, and many other problems
that don’t lend themselves to compromise. Consequently,
a frequently asked question on ex-Mormon websites is
“How do I get my spouse to change –– or at least to understand my point of view?”

http://exmormonfoundation.org/files/April 2008 Expositor_0.pdf

I have talked about the deadline Susan gave JP of April 6, 2010 to get a recommendation from their temple, otherwise she was going to divorce him. What has come to light in the last couple of days with the interviews is that there was an even earlier deadline of December 31, 2009, for JP to get more active with the church and have regular attendance.

Susan's disappearance was on a Sunday that was just 3 weeks before this deadline. That Sunday, JP did not go to church. For a lot of us, this doesn't sound like that big of a deal, but we should look at it from Susan's perspective, the problem she was trying to solve, her deadline, and what her likely reaction to this would be, also keeping in mind that her friends have said she was outspoken and not a wimp.

The argument that would have unfolded that day could have been a highly charged one with Susan having had it with JP, knowing that he was in no position to get a recommendation by the deadline. Her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce, her friends were likely in similar frames of mind, and the earlier concerns about not staying true to her religious beliefs about marriage may have receded to the point she could comfortably enough say to JP that she was done with him. More than anything, I have gathered that Susan would have been doing it to ensure her sons were brought up as per Mormon doctrine, and that the marriage with JP was simply not going to work.

We know now that JP had a 15 minute conversation with SP that very day, per JP about how to make pancakes. That was Susan's last meal.

SP, with his constant nullification of Susan and her cherished Mormon beliefs, worked the spell on JP that ruined their marriage. He also probably "warned" him about the messy divorce he had, how hard and hopeless the custody battle would be in Utah, how stiff his child support payments would be, how the LDS was "behind it", and that there has to be a "better way." He over time developed this into a user-friendly method for JP to kill Susan, the feminine preferred method of poisoning the victim. That fateful Sunday, JP got worked up enough from the argument to have the nerve to go through with it.

MOO.
 
A few days ago I asked how many miles it is from JP's home in Utah to SP's in WA..Also, how many miles did JP put on that rental car when he took off for 24 hrs the day after Susan turned up missing..If I got a reply I missed it which is why I'm asking again :)

I'd like to know cos I strongly feel SP is involved in at least helping to dispose of Susan..If the mileage doesn't fit it's still possible SP met JP somewhere in between..Or maybe SP was already in Utah by then? He may have left ASAP to be with JP & the kids when he got the news Susan was missing..Do we have any info on this?

What I'd really love to know is how JP felt about his father's 'obsession' with his wife..Surely he had to be aware of it since Susan was..Did he think it was SICK & was he angry with his father? That would be a logical conclusion for any NORMAL person/husband/son..I realize that's not what we're dealing with in this case tho..So, I can't rule out it's possible he could handle that but NOT Susan reciprocating in any way..This could very well be the 'motive' for her murder. imho

eta..What I meant to say is NOT that Susan did or would reciprocate but JP may have believed that to be true.
 
Hates, I would have searched SP earlier but personal crisis and malware are preventing me to search via pipl.com. If you have an email address you can also possibly find usernames on sites. You can search via Name/location, phone, email, username etc...all public documents and public forums might come up. There's others but that one hasn't failed me until now.
 
.... Her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce,...


I don't recall reading this anywhere. It's unusual for a marriage counselor to urge a patient to get a divorce. And I would guess her counselor (if she had one) was likely Mormon, making it perhaps even more odd. Where did this information come from?
 
I understand what you are talking about.

I have been doing a little research into Steve Powell. What is interesting is that his good friend Sandy is the president of an ex-Mormon group in Washington. She helps organize meet-ups of ex-Mormons in the Seattle area.
Steve as we know has been very vocal about his anti-Mormon views, and from what Sandy has said, these views of SP are voiced in discussion groups online. I am looking for those records now, they should be online somewhere.

I have also researched the crux of the problem between JP and Susan. It is my theory that JP had basic survival needs (finance, caring for the kids) for Susan to be alive, and that the only reason he would have killed her is from the deranged idea that his survival was enhanced by doing so. In this case, it would allow him to keep the kids and not be stuck with child support payments for the next 16 years.

The crux of the problem was their religious views were at polar opposites due to the propaganda being put out by his dad, Steven Powell.

What makes this problem more significant than the average couple is the type of religion that was the issue here. Here is an interesting summation of this point from a website that takes on the issue:



http://exmormonfoundation.org/files/April 2008 Expositor_0.pdf

I have talked about the deadline Susan gave JP of April 6, 2010 to get a recommendation from their temple, otherwise she was going to divorce him. What has come to light in the last couple of days with the interviews is that there was an even earlier deadline of December 31, 2009, for JP to get more active with the church and have regular attendance.

Susan's disappearance was on a Sunday that was just 3 weeks before this deadline. That Sunday, JP did not go to church. For a lot of us, this doesn't sound like that big of a deal, but we should look at it from Susan's perspective, the problem she was trying to solve, her deadline, and what her likely reaction to this would be, also keeping in mind that her friends have said she was outspoken and not a wimp.

The argument that would have unfolded that day could have been a highly charged one with Susan having had it with JP, knowing that he was in no position to get a recommendation by the deadline. Her marriage counselor had been urging her to get a divorce, her friends were likely in similar frames of mind, and the earlier concerns about not staying true to her religious beliefs about marriage may have receded to the point she could comfortably enough say to JP that she was done with him. More than anything, I have gathered that Susan would have been doing it to ensure her sons were brought up as per Mormon doctrine, and that the marriage with JP was simply not going to work.

We know now that JP had a 15 minute conversation with SP that very day, per JP about how to make pancakes. That was Susan's last meal.

SP, with his constant nullification of Susan and her cherished Mormon beliefs, worked the spell on JP that ruined their marriage. He also probably "warned" him about the messy divorce he had, how hard and hopeless the custody battle would be in Utah, how stiff his child support payments would be, how the LDS was "behind it", and that there has to be a "better way." He over time developed this into a user-friendly method for JP to kill Susan, the feminine preferred method of poisoning the victim. That fateful Sunday, JP got worked up enough from the argument to have the nerve to go through with it.

MOO.

I agree with a lot you've said, but be aware that we have been warned of "Morman bashing" here. I'm not sure how to define that, since a lot of what has been posted has been mostly for education purposes, which I think a lot of people (including me) need. Just sayin' be careful where you step. Religion, no matter how relevant, may not be an appropriate subject.

IMO
 
I don't recall reading this anywhere. It's unusual for a marriage counselor to urge a patient to get a divorce. And I would guess her counselor (if she had one) was likely Mormon, making it perhaps even more odd. Where did this information come from?

Not really,unusual. My X and I both went to counceling.
The counselor said that she felt I needed to get divorse counceling
because here was no way my X would even try to change.
She ws so right and in my mind it saved my life before abuse got worse.
I hd 2 young children to get out of the stuation.
Just like Susan.
The most dangerous time is when the spouse thinks you are leaving.
 
I agree with a lot you've said, but be aware that we have been warned of "Morman bashing" here. I'm not sure how to define that, since a lot of what has been posted has been mostly for education purposes, which I think a lot of people (including me) need. Just sayin' be careful where you step. Religion, no matter how relevant, may not be an appropriate subject.

IMO


Thank you. I was a bit put off by the quoted language, having been raised in the Mormon church and being pretty familiar with the culture. But I didn't want to appear to be picking fight.

But yeah, some of that stuff, to the extent it is presented as "fact", is pretty silly. Taking quotes from an anti-Mormon site to explain "problems in Mormon marriages" is a bit much....
 
I don't recall reading this anywhere. It's unusual for a marriage counselor to urge a patient to get a divorce. And I would guess her counselor (if she had one) was likely Mormon, making it perhaps even more odd. Where did this information come from?

I don't know for sure if her counselor was recommending that, but her neighbor friend and fellow church member who recommended the marriage counseling, Tim Peterson, did tell her she should divorce Josh. Mormons don't take divorce lightly. It must have been a really rotten marriage for Peterson to advise her like that. I don't think Peterson was alone in his sentiments.
 
Not really,unusual. My X and I both went to counceling.
The counselor said that she felt I needed to get divorse counceling
because here was no way my X would even try to change.
She ws so right and in my mind it saved my life before abuse got worse.
I hd 2 young children to get out of the stuation.
Just like Susan.
The most dangerous time is when the spouse thinks you are leaving.


I didn't say it was unheard of. I think any professional worth anything would counsel someone to get out of a situation involving abuse. I said it was unusual. I've spent many years dealing with marital issues, my wife is a matrimonial lawyer (and former chief Clerk for a matrimonial court), and I am personally and professionally acquainted with a number of marriage counselors. If people go to a marriage counselor (as opposed to a therapist in general), they are usually of a mind that their marriage is fix-able. Most counselors will try to build on that and help them fix the problems.

That's why I asked. If a marriage counselor told Susan she needed to get a divorce, very likely that person has a lot of information about little Joshy boy that could be of use to LE. Where is that person? What is that info?

ETA: I meant to also say, I'm sorry for you regarding your personal situation, and glad that you found a wise counselor to help you escape it.
 
To get an idea of all this we really need to know how SP felt about certain things like religion, how he fed his children his delusions.
I would like to know the family dynamics of how the other 2 adult children stay with dad.
How big is the house?
Does everone have a bedroom? (5?)
1. SP
2. JP
3. the boys
4. Sister
5. Brother with bi polar
 
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