sub shows Brokeback Mtn to 8th graders

[IrishMist]

Maybe not, but I would SO dig that!!!!

Gotta admit, I'd be interested.

 

[Nova]

Maybe not, but I would SO dig that!!!!

Oh, I would, too. Particularly if Cypros would lend her expertise on ancient cultures.

 

[southcitymom]

Gotta admit, I'd be interested.

Hey - even Leviticus is more fun than work!!!

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Now, Kool, you know what my take is on it. We've talked about this before. I don't believe homosexuality is a sin. I think it is a completely natural thing. I believe in God, but not in the Bible. That's my take.

I believe you have every right to believe what you want to. As long as it stays out of our laws and public schools. As long as no one uses it to hurt someone that I love. As long as it's your personal belief and code, I'm fine with that.

If we keep on these subjects, which I don't mind, I'm going to be the first taken to the woodshed, :angel:

What is natural about a man laying with a man or a woman laying with a woman? Without being too graphic, in my eyes to start with, uhmm it just doesn't fit or go together for starters.

I don't want everyone to think I'm beating up on homosexuality, I'm not. I'm only sin free because I've repented. Sadly, I will more than likely sin again in my lifetime more than I want to think about. But I do practise trying to live righteously and Holy. I'm just a forgiven sinner.

 

[IrishMist]

Hey - even Leviticus is more fun than work!!!

Honey, dropping bricks on my feet would be more fun than the work I'm avoiding right now.

 

[southcitymom]

Oh, I would, too. Particularly if Cypros would lend her expertise on ancient cultures.

Cypros really has some great stuff about that - you're right. I've learned a lot from her.

 

[southcitymom]

Honey, dropping bricks on my feet would be more fun than the work I'm avoiding right now.

ROTFLMAO...me too! :crazy:

 

[IrishMist]

If we keep on these subjects, which I don't mind, I'm going to be the first taken to the woodshed, :angel:

You're tempting me! Just kidding mostly.

What is natural about a man laying with a man or a woman laying with a woman? Without being too graphic, in my eyes to start with, uhmm it just doesn't fit or go together for starters.

I don't want everyone to think I'm beating up on homosexuality, I'm not. I'm only sin free because I've repented. Sadly, I will more than likely sin again in my lifetime more than I want to think about. But I do practise trying to live righteously and Holy. I'm just a forgiven sinner.

Yes you are. At least be honest about it.

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but being a forgiven sinner and being sin-free are two different things, are they not?

 

[KOOL LOOK]

So... if you catch a disease, it's because you've sinned?

No, not always of course. But somewhere down the line, say for example, a married woman catches a std from her husband who committed adultery, the sin is still there. The wife didn't sin, but it is a consequence of sin somewhere down the line. Bad things happen to good people. That's why it's so very important that we remain in prayer covering ourselves and loved ones with God's divine protection thwarting off evil that is meant to do harm.

 

[southcitymom]

If we keep on these subjects, which I don't mind, I'm going to be the first taken to the woodshed, :angel:

What is natural about a man laying with a man or a woman laying with a woman? Without being too graphic, in my eyes to start with, uhmm it just doesn't fit or go together for starters.

I don't want everyone to think I'm beating up on homosexuality, I'm not. I'm only sin free because I've repented. Sadly, I will more than likely sin again in my lifetime more than I want to think about. But I do practise trying to live righteously and Holy. I'm just a forgiven sinner.

Hey Kool!

We find homosexuality all over the animal kingdom...that's a pretty natural realm, no?

 

[IrishMist]

No, not always of course. But somewhere down the line, say for example, a married woman catches a std from her husband who committed adultery, the sin is still there. The wife didn't sin, but it is a consequence of sin somewhere down the line. Bad things happen to good people. That's why it's so very important that we remain in prayer covering ourselves and loved ones with God's divine protection thwarting off evil that is meant to do harm.

So... if you pray hard enough it will keep you and your loved ones safe from evil that would cause harm?

 

[natasha-cupcake]

Kool, if you (or anyone else) can convince me you actually follow ALL the precepts of Leviticus, then I will be able to respect your regard for the two-count-'em-only-two injunctions against gay sex. Otherwise, your invocation of selective rules is arbitrary and, one suspects, based on some inclination other than just obedience to God's Word.

The Bible is not exactly God's Word. It is man's interpretation of God's words, and as such, should be taken with a grain of salt and an understanding of the cultural context in which the men who reported God's Words actually lived.

"Sin" is a weird concept that can (and has been) used to control people. If one person harms another in some fashion it's bad (criminal, or "sinful", whatever). What two consenting adults of any gender choose to do with each other is none of my business, and I suspect, no skin off of God's nose either. I hardly think a loving God, who created man in his own image, (including homosexual men), gave us the emotional and physical means to express physical pleasure with one another and then expected us not to enjoy that physical pleasure, or to enjoy it in strictly limited circumstances.

I realize that some would vehemently disagree with me and that would be their prerogative. However, the presumption of moral superiority is, in my book, a flawed concept and not one that I recommend to anyone.

As far as showing the movie to 8th graders, I think that was wrong mostly for the fact that parents were not able to give informed consent. But I (as the parent of an 8th grader) would have used the opportunity to discuss the issues with my son in a manner that respects ALL humans regardless of their sexual orientation. I believe that sexual orientation is a "choice" in the same sense that being six foot tall is a choice.

My opinion only, and not an attempt to change anyone's mind.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Well, of course He is. Either He created everything (including viruses) or He didn't. You can't have it both ways. (Unless you are a Zoroastrian, in which case you believe in two Gods and attribute everything good to one and everything you don't like to the other. Now there's a logic system.)

But you and I agree that God doesn't send specific diseases to target specific groups of people for violating the rules of Leviticus.

Do you believe in the destroyer? Do you believe in the devourer? Do you believe in the thief that comes to kill, steal and destroy? Do you believe in the devil? The arthor of fear and confusion.

 

[IrishMist]

Do you believe in the destroyer? Do you believe in the devourer? Do you believe in the thief that comes to kill, steal and destroy? Do you believe in the devil? The arthor of fear and confusion.

Who created him?

 

[Ntegrity]

So... if you pray hard enough it will keep you and your loved ones safe from evil that would cause harm?

Nope. You can thank Adam and Eve for that.

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Maybe not, but I would SO dig that!!!!

Sign me up. If I'm invited, :blushing: I'll come.

 

[IrishMist]

The Bible is not exactly God's Word. It is man's interpretation of God's words, and as such, should be taken with a grain of salt and an understanding of the cultural context in which the men who reported God's Words actually lived.

"Sin" is a weird concept that can (and has been) used to control people. If one person harms another in some fashion it's bad (criminal, or "sinful", whatever). What two consenting adults of any gender choose to do with each other is none of my business, and I suspect, no skin off of God's nose either. I hardly think a loving God, who created man in his own image, (including homosexual men), gave us the emotional and physical means to express physical pleasure with one another and then expected us not to enjoy that physical pleasure, or to enjoy it in strictly limited circumstances.

I realize that some would vehemently disagree with me and that would be their prerogative. However, the presumption of moral superiority is, in my book, a flawed concept and not one that I recommend to anyone.

As far as showing the movie to 8th graders, I think that was wrong mostly for the fact that parents were not able to give informed consent. But I (as the parent of an 8th grader) would have used the opportunity to discuss the issues with my son in a manner that respects ALL humans regardless of their sexual orientation. I believe that sexual orientation is a "choice" in the same sense that being six foot tall is a choice.

My opinion only, and not an attempt to change anyone's mind.

Excellent post, Natasha. Well said, well written. :clap:

 

[KOOL LOOK]

Oh, I would, too. Particularly if Cypros would lend her expertise on ancient cultures.

Oh no, not Cypros! Just kidding!

 

[southcitymom]

If we keep on these subjects, which I don't mind, I'm going to be the first taken to the woodshed, :angel:

What is natural about a man laying with a man or a woman laying with a woman? Without being too graphic, in my eyes to start with, uhmm it just doesn't fit or go together for starters.

I don't want everyone to think I'm beating up on homosexuality, I'm not. I'm only sin free because I've repented. Sadly, I will more than likely sin again in my lifetime more than I want to think about. But I do practise trying to live righteously and Holy. I'm just a forgiven sinner.

Heterosexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, transexuals, etc... overlap in terms of what they might do in bed.

Do you find it un-natural for a woman to give oral stimulation to a man?

If it's not the acts that are the problem, then what IS the problem?

 

[IrishMist]

Nope. You can thank Adam and Eve for that.

:doh:

Oh, Ntegrity, don't get me started!