Yes... I would think the lesson 8th grade girls would learn is that gay men are REALLY HOT (i.e. Heath and Jake) and that sometimes they get married to women. Not the movie to serve as a deterrent...
sub shows Brokeback Mtn to 8th graders
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Yes... I would think the lesson 8th grade girls would learn is that gay men are REALLY HOT (i.e. Heath and Jake) and that sometimes they get married to women. Not the movie to serve as a deterrent...
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Some 8th graders are pretty sophisticated; but still this movie doesn't belong at school.
In fact, what happened to good old book learning? I disagree with alot of movies being shown at school; except for really good documentaries or something that reinforces a particular subject they're learning.
Like some of the documentaries on National geographic, Discovery Channel.
Their lyfestyle was depressing. They both were living lives of shame, depression and lies. They were not open or comfortable about who they were at all.
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The setting was back in the 50's or 60's wasn't it? That's how it was back then, fewer felt comfortable about coming "out".
Far from Heaven was set in the 50's also, I think.
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I have a question? How old do most kids start kindergarten? My son just had his 8th grade graduation and he's 14. All but one of the kids in his class where 14. The 13 yr old will be 14 this summer. Everyone keeps talking that this movie was shown to 12 yr old, that would mean they would have started Kindergarten when they where 3-4 yrs old. The average age in NE for kindergarten is 5-6 yrs old.
Also, the movie is 134 minutes long. In every 8th grade (Jr. High) school I've ever been associated with, the students change classes about every 40-50 minutes. Math, PE, English, Science...etc. They don't stay in 1 class room for 134 minutes.
The sub teacher was wrong, should have never shown an R-rated movie at school. But, the kids had to be older than 12, and she would have had to do quite a bit of editing to show the entire movie during the class period...
Oh, and to the lady who said she wanted Bible study back into Texas schools. As a Christian myself that would be great...BUT if you study the Old Testament, be in for a shock. Multiple marriages, murder, slavery, torture, incest, and child molestation are all depicted. Brokeback Mountain is rated G compared to some OT Bible stories.
Also, the movie is 134 minutes long. In every 8th grade (Jr. High) school I've ever been associated with, the students change classes about every 40-50 minutes. Math, PE, English, Science...etc. They don't stay in 1 class room for 134 minutes.
The sub teacher was wrong, should have never shown an R-rated movie at school. But, the kids had to be older than 12, and she would have had to do quite a bit of editing to show the entire movie during the class period...
Oh, and to the lady who said she wanted Bible study back into Texas schools. As a Christian myself that would be great...BUT if you study the Old Testament, be in for a shock. Multiple marriages, murder, slavery, torture, incest, and child molestation are all depicted. Brokeback Mountain is rated G compared to some OT Bible stories.
Marthatex
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usually they begin 8th grade at 13? Usually you start Kindergarten at 5 or 6. Alot of times boys have been held back and begin a bit later.
Yes, but a movie is a "visual"
Right, the Bible would have a lot of kinky things, too! Neither one belong in the public schools to me. ( A little praying doesn't bother me though)
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It varies. Most are 5-6, as you said. However, the cutoff is usually around September 1, some places later. So, if the child has a summer birthday she could be turning 13 soon. Still would only be in 7th grade...maybe an advanced 7th grader taking an 8th grade class??? Not sure. Also, if she moved here from out of the country???
Our middle school has "block scheduling. Their classes are 90 minutes long and meet every other day. It is fairly common from what I understand.
Don't care, don't care, don't care. Our kids had to get a permission slip signed to go see "Narnia" because it is PG. No PG-13 allowed b/c almost none of them are 13 (even in middle school) and b/c even then it is a parental choice, not a school choice. That's what the words "Parental Guidance" mean. I don't recall a movie rating of GG or SG for Government Guidance or School Guidance.
ITA. Even though my kids are in a private school, the Bible stories are very sanitized. No reason for kindergarteners to hear about all that violence!!! In fact, my middle schooler is just starting to be exposed to some of the more graphic parts and is quite shocked by it all.
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So very true!
Well, exactly. And perfectly understandable given the time in which the story is set.
But hardly a "lifestyle" anyone is going to advocate to children or adults. (And someone living that lifestyle today would be too full of shame to "sell" it to others.)
Brokeback begins in the early 60s, I believe. It continues until sometime in the 70s, but the setting (rural Wyoming and Texas) isn't one where "gay liberation" had much effect in those years. The male characters really have no "road map" for what to do.
Good post, iNTERESTED. I think we were all just using "12-year-old" in a general sense, not meaning it literally. While I think the sub was dead wrong to show the film, I don't think seeing it -- even at 12 to 14 -- constitutes a world-class crisis.
More likely, I think, kids that age would be really really bored with the film. It is slow moving--deliberately so to represent rural rhythms--but I have a hard time imagining kids that age paying attention for all 3 hours (except maybe for the parts with bare breasts).
All in all, not the scandal I hear Fox News is trying to make of it.
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Christian schools use substitutes, surely. I feel the principal should have control no matter what size the school is, teachers and parents also. A school system should be run by the entire community as practical.
I know what you mean about the school years, it can be a great experience or a horror story. Overall, I believe schools do their very best the majority of the time. Just the few bad apples seem to sometimes outshine the good works and accomplishments of the just and righteous.
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Nova, my statement is very clear and doesn't require alot of discernment to understand where I'm coming from.
Let me say this first, I didn't watch the movie, so i can't in detail answer or respond to the actual movie and it's details in any lengthy way. I saw the previews, several christian networks reporting on the subject and theme of the movie and decided it wasn't anything I wanted to support or be involved in. I try to walk what I talk, though not always succeeding.
If what you say is true about the movie, repression, misery and loneliness, goes back to exactly what I believe. SIN is the cause of all sorrow. You can't avoid it, if you engage in it. It's a choice, most of the time. Not always. Sorrow will always follow sin.
I don't really see where we are in disagreements, we both feel showing the movie to children was inappropriate.
Unless you are a prisoner or slave, your lifestyle concerning intimatcy is a lifestyle choice. You choose.
I also don't believe your born into anything other than the natural use of your body. Hope I cleared it up, but Nova you know me.
KOOL LOOK
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What do you think I meant? Then maybe the air will be much clearer and I can respond.
I hope this lawsuit establishes some boundaries for future instruction in the classroom where there won't be gray areas and room for un-checked wrongdoing. However, I feel the substitute should be forgiven and in the future learn that parents are the ultimate authority concerning their children's eduction, and what the sub did is wrong to bring in sexually driven material into the classroom. It shouldn't be tolerated.
Actually, your statement wasn't clear except to those of you who traffic in the buzz words of the religious right.
"Lifestyle" = homosexuality, a choice of word deliberately chosen to trivialize some people's deepest feelings and sense of being. In fact, gay people have all sorts of lifestyles, just as straight people do.
Moreover, your suggestion that the sub showing the film is probably a gay person pushing some sort of message is a none-too-sly reference to the concept of a "Gay Agenda," which doesn't exist except in the perverted imaginations of people such as yourself. Gay people are actually and rather famously diverse. Getting us to pursue an organized "agenda" is akin to herding cats. This suggestion is particularly ridiculous in this case, where the sub is a woman. Even if--big IF--she is a lesbian, the film has nothing to do with lesbians (and, in fact, has been criticized by lesbian critics as yet another example of how mainstream culture thinks "gayness" is all about what men do).
Well, sin is certainly the cause of much sorrow. But in the case of this story, the sin in question isn't the love between the two main characters. That love would be nothing but positive in a better context. The sin in Brokeback is the narrow-mindedness and intolerance of people who fear what is different and take refuge in declaring that everyone must live by their arbitrary rules and their rules alone. It is that sin which haunts the main characters and prevents them from forming a healthy bond. It is that sin which ultimately results in the murder of one of the main characters.
Absolutely. But not, in my view, because teens can't know about homosexuality. It isn't a choice and it isn't contagious. This particular film, however, has scenes which young teens may find confusing and embarrassing; confusion and embarrassment are not helpful in the attempt to teach anyone about sex and love.
Some things we choose, certainly. We choose to be honest (or not); we choose to support a partner (or not). We choose to share our love with another (or live a solitary life). We choose to undertake the difficult task of knowing ourselves and another (or we choose to hide behind stereotypes and magical thinking).
Because our natures differ, what is "natural" for you isn't necessarily "natural" for me.
But "natural" is yet another of those right-wing buzz words (see "lifestyle" above), used most often simply to mean whatever the majority of people prefer. Homosexuality and other minority orientations occur in Nature and have occurred throughout human history. They are as "natural" as left-handedness.
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Your entire post is EXCELLENT, Nova.
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