Suicide Theory

[Smugshots]

I know George is in security, but does anyone know what kind of company he actually worked as security for? Could he have gotten the chloroform from the place he worked security for?

 

[Girlrilla]

I have to agree, I think the chloroform was used to try and get rid of forensic evidence. KC is way too selfish and in love with herself to want to kill herself

Why not just use bleach?

I don't understand how someone could clean the trunk, or handle that amount of chloroform without suffering ill effects, themselves, from the substance?

I'm sure my idea of chloroform is very "hollywood" and not at all from experience, which is why I'm asking. If seems if you were hunched over cleaning a trunk with large amounts of chloroform, that you might pass out, yourself.

Can anyone enlighten me?

I agree. I don't think cleaning with the chloroform is a very plausible explanation for why it was in the trunk.

 

[Sassynic]

I agree with the OP that Casey loves herself too much to ever kill herself. That's the only thing that sets her apart from Melinda Duckett in the Trent Duckett case.

If Casey wanted to off herself, I'm sure she could have done it all this time she's been home. She has access to things to hang herself, probably access to meds to OD on, sharp objects to cut her wrists. She isn't on Suicide Watch so she is very capable of obtaining normal household objects to kill herself and she hasn't.

If anyone was going to do it, it would be now before she gets carted back to jail on those new check charges or even before she went back the last time.

Notice she was ready for the arrest last time since she had her hair done and tons of makeup just in time for the cops and media....

 

[Sassynic]

I wonder if Casey was into using chloroform to party with her friends, Caylee had seen Casey and friends do it and tries it herself when she find the choroform whether in the car or at a house. Caylee dies from it, when Casey finds Caylee dead she panics. There's no way she can tell her parents she's been sniffing chloroform, let alone Caylee got a hold of her chloroform and died from it.

We'll know when LE releases the search terms she used online about Chloroform....

 

[Betty Boop]

We'll know when LE releases the search terms she used online about Chloroform....

Yep. I can't wait to see that info.
:behindbar

 

[GameTheory]

LOL GameTheory, I just agreed with you on a different thread.
Good morning!

LOL. It even happens to the best of us. :crazy:

 

[TURBOTHINK]

The amount of chloroform inside the back of the trunk could possibly kill anybody inside the car. I wonder if Caylee was deceased before the car ended up at Amscott? Could Casey have been trying to commit suicide using the chloroform inside the trunk of the car? A lot of people kill themselves inside their vehicles unless not with chloroform though.

More thank likely chloroform would be a very easy death I assume. I wonder if Casey was going to kill herself to make her parents feel really awful? I wonder if Caylee was dead before the car made its way to Amscott or after.

Hope this doesn't sound stupid and although it is very unlikely it could very well be a possibility and I don't think anybody else has mentioned it.

Not very likely since she went "shopping" for Tony's house after she abandoned the car...........Most people going to commit suicide don't plan on eating.

 

[Vahlaria]

The amount of chloroform inside the back of the trunk could possibly kill anybody inside the car. I wonder if Caylee was deceased before the car ended up at Amscott? Could Casey have been trying to commit suicide using the chloroform inside the trunk of the car? A lot of people kill themselves inside their vehicles unless not with chloroform though.

More thank likely chloroform would be a very easy death I assume. I wonder if Casey was going to kill herself to make her parents feel really awful? I wonder if Caylee was dead before the car made its way to Amscott or after.

Hope this doesn't sound stupid and although it is very unlikely it could very well be a possibility and I don't think anybody else has mentioned it.

It's a good idea, however to hurt her parents, there are much better and more effective ways to do thing. Don't know what's ok to post about this stuff, so I wont go into detail, but I can think of one easy painless way, and a few painful ways that would have driven the A's over the edge.

I don't think this was a failed sucide attempt.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I know George is in security, but does anyone know what kind of company he actually worked as security for? Could he have gotten the chloroform from the place he worked security for?

He said he got fired............does he have a new job now?

 

[Athinker2]

imo NG states the trunk is saturated w/chloroform, could KC have poured a huge amount into the trunk, place a live Caylee inside, simply close the lid, never having to witness the actual death, then comes the decomp smell and obvious disposal of the body

 

[Vahlaria]

As far as getting chloroform, it's like everything else, if you really want it, it's easy enough to get.

Back in the old days, before the internet, chloroform was still easy to get.

I have no idea how one gets it, and I honestly don't want to know. But...trust me, it's just as easy to get as anything else one shouldn't have access to. You dont have to be in LE, and you don't have to be a RN, and you can be completely not in that world, and still get it.

It just like drugs, if you want it badly enough, there's always someone that can get it for you.

 

[Brini]

The amount of chloroform inside the back of the trunk could possibly kill anybody inside the car. I wonder if Caylee was deceased before the car ended up at Amscott? Could Casey have been trying to commit suicide using the chloroform inside the trunk of the car? A lot of people kill themselves inside their vehicles unless not with chloroform though.

More thank likely chloroform would be a very easy death I assume. I wonder if Casey was going to kill herself to make her parents feel really awful? I wonder if Caylee was dead before the car made its way to Amscott or after.

Hope this doesn't sound stupid and although it is very unlikely it could very well be a possibility and I don't think anybody else has mentioned it.

Narcissists rarely kill themselves.

 

[Vahlaria]

Narcissists rarely kill themselves.

Not to nit-pick, but it really depends on which side of NPD you're on. If you're the "center of the universe" type, then yes, I'd say that's true.

If you're on the flip side, most NPDs I've seen try, and try often.

 

[Sassynic]

imo NG states the trunk is saturated w/chloroform, could KC have poured a huge amount into the trunk, place a live Caylee inside, simply close the lid, never having to witness the actual death, then comes the decomp smell and obvious disposal of the body

I am thinking the same. But at some point she probably tried to bury her in her parents' back yard hence the cadavar smell back there and the borrowed shovel.

*ugh*

 

[italianangel2411]

I was thinking about this and wondering what you all thought...

IS CASEY ALLOWED TO SHAVE?? I MEAN IS SHE ALLOWED TO USE RAZORS IN THE SHOWER TO SHAVE?? Wouldn't a razor be a weapon in that house? How do they know if all knives, razors, or anything else is not accessible in that house for Casey to use on herself??

 

[Sassynic]

I was thinking about this and wondering what you all thought...

IS CASEY ALLOWED TO SHAVE?? I MEAN IS SHE ALLOWED TO USE RAZORS IN THE SHOWER TO SHAVE?? Wouldn't a razor be a weapon in that house? How do they know if all knives, razors, or anything else is not accessible in that house for Casey to use on herself??

She isn't under suicide watch so I will assume so. The rules I read said no weapons like guns. It didn't mention kitchen knives or razors IIRC.

 

[italianangel2411]

that is insane! what happens if she does do something stupid with a razor in the shower? what will happen then? no one will ever find out where this precious caylee is? im just upset that she isnt charged yet with homicide...

 

[heartfortruth]

Why not just use bleach?



I agree. I don't think cleaning with the chloroform is a very plausible explanation for why it was in the trunk.

http://www.npi.gov.au/database/substance-info/profiles/23.html

Common uses
Chloroform is primarily used in the production of refrigerants (e.g. chlorofluorocarbon (CFC)-22, fluorocarbon-22), in the production of plastics (especially vinyl chloride) and in the manufacture of other chemicals. Chloroform is used as an extraction solvent for fats, oils, greases, rubber, waxes, gutta-percha, resins, lacquers, floor polishes, artificial silk manufacture, gums and adhesives. It is utilised as an industrial solvent in the extraction and purification of some antibiotics, alkaloids, vitamins and flavours. It is used as a solvent in organic chemistry, in photography and in making dyes, drugs and pesticides. Other uses are as a dry cleaning agent to remove spots, as a fumigant and in fire extinguishers to lower the freezing temperature of carbon tetrachloride. Chloroform formulated with other ingredients is used to control screw worm in animals. Chloroform is steadily being replaced by less toxic solvents and may no longer be used in some of these applications. Its use as an inhaled anaesthetic during surgery has already been largely discontinued.

this probably belongs in the "Chloroform threads" , and I think it may have been posted before.....but , possibly the Chl. could have been in the trunk for other purposes but it COULD ALSO possibly be used to clean and FUMIGATE.???
I dunno'......just adding to the "mix" of thoughts and theories...

 

[MnkeyBznes]

If Casey had put the chloroform in the car then there should have been no live flies or maggots in the trunk. George and tow yard guy said flies flew out when they opened the trunk and there were maggots. GA or CA used it to try to clean trunk IMO. Remember George said he thought trunk evidence would come up inconclusive? Why would he say that unless he tried to clean up? When they release the dates of the searches we will know for sure but I think that is why GA and CA got high profile lawyer.

 

[Mom of Five]

I think the chloroform is GPA's doing. He got car thought he would try to clean up the trunk, poured it on carpeting, or GMA. I really think somebody is not to swift to think of it.

I agree with you, I have thought that the chloroform was Gpa's doing since I first heard about it. The only thing that doesn't add up with that assumption is the chloroform search on the computer. I don't recall, but I'm sure some of you do, was it specified by LE which computer had the history of chloroform searches? Also, if the search was done on Casey's laptop, did she have it with her the whole time she was gone. I ask this because we have four laptop and two desk top computers in our house. Although these computers technically are "reserved" for certaing people in our house, many times family members use someone else's computer for various reasons.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the car was at the house for quite a few hours before LE was even contacted. GA brought the car home, I think it was a while before Cindy became aware of the odor. I've always thought that it was strange that she didn't report the odor on the first 911 call. I think she didn't know about it yet. There are also conflicting reports about where the car was parked. Lee said it was in the garage yet LE reports towing it from the driveway.

IMO GA drove that car home and the whole way he probably cried and tried to keep from vomiting. When he got home he went into auto pilot, a kind of survival mode. He pulled the car into the garage, took out of it the things that smelled bad and began to use every kind of cleaner he could find to get that stain/smell out of the trunk. He couldn't hose it out in the front yard because the neighbors would see and Cindy was in such an emotional state that GA probably told her that the car was full of trash and therefore smelled bad so he was going to clean it. He most likely persuaded her that this would be his job and she should just stay in the house and find Casey. I think GA poured a mixture of solvents on that stain in an effort to dissolve it. I think that the laundry room is CA's domain, (she seems very tidy). GA probably brough the clothes in but didn't start the laundry because that would have further upset CA. CA probably first smelled the smell of decomp on the clothing and then went out to the car to investigate. I believe that deep down George has known the truth ever since he opened the car door and didn't have the stomach to tell his wife.
Husbands and Father's are the protectors of the family. I think George has learned to compartmentalize his emotions and that explains the wierd comment about there only being three A's, when Casey was in jail. I also think that at this point now that he's had time to think he realizes he could be charged as an accessory.