Suicide Theory

[Mama Lioness]

I agree with you, I have thought that the chloroform was Gpa's doing since I first heard about it. The only thing that doesn't add up with that assumption is the chloroform search on the computer. I don't recall, but I'm sure some of you do, was it specified by LE which computer had the history of chloroform searches? Also, if the search was done on Casey's laptop, did she have it with her the whole time she was gone. I ask this because we have four laptop and two desk top computers in our house. Although these computers technically are "reserved" for certaing people in our house, many times family members use someone else's computer for various reasons.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure the car was at the house for quite a few hours before LE was even contacted. GA brought the car home, I think it was a while before Cindy became aware of the odor. I've always thought that it was strange that she didn't report the odor on the first 911 call. I think she didn't know about it yet. There are also conflicting reports about where the car was parked. Lee said it was in the garage yet LE reports towing it from the driveway.

IMO GA drove that car home and the whole way he probably cried and tried to keep from vomiting. When he got home he went into auto pilot, a kind of survival mode. He pulled the car into the garage, took out of it the things that smelled bad and began to use every kind of cleaner he could find to get that stain/smell out of the trunk. He couldn't hose it out in the front yard because the neighbors would see and Cindy was in such an emotional state that GA probably told her that the car was full of trash and therefore smelled bad so he was going to clean it. He most likely persuaded her that this would be his job and she should just stay in the house and find Casey. I think GA poured a mixture of solvents on that stain in an effort to dissolve it. I think that the laundry room is CA's domain, (she seems very tidy). GA probably brough the clothes in but didn't start the laundry because that would have further upset CA. CA probably first smelled the smell of decomp on the clothing and then went out to the car to investigate. I believe that deep down George has known the truth ever since he opened the car door and didn't have the stomach to tell his wife.
Husbands and Father's are the protectors of the family. I think George has learned to compartmentalize his emotions and that explains the wierd comment about there only being three A's, when Casey was in jail. I also think that at this point now that he's had time to think he realizes he could be charged as an accessory.

I think that the knowledge of Caylee's death and cover-up extended more widely than we know. It would make sense that the body was dumped, however the smell in the truck remained. Parking the car next to a dumpster would "mask" that - People would not be sure whether it was the dumpster or the car. If both were removed/emptied on the same day, no one would think to question that. There is a connection between Casey and the tow driver. If Ricardo worked in Specialty Auto Body...he would be familiar with the tow company. That could very well explain why the tow driver did not call police as to the "smell" in the trunk and didn't say a word until questioned. If George knew and instructed Casey as to what to do, where to put the car etc, it would make sense that when the car came home and Cindy smelled the decomposition, she would panic and call police.

 

[Ocean Lover]

I have to agree, I think the chloroform was used to try and get rid of forensic evidence. KC is way too selfish and in love with herself to want to kill herself

I totally agree with this theory too. GA himself said that the trunk test would come back inconclusive. HMMMM I know this theory has been put on here before. IMO

 

[MistyM]

maybe she got the chloroform as part of her 'scheme' to make it look like there was a kidnapping.

maybe they had the chloroform already (weird eh?) and looked on the net to see if it could be used as a cleaner for the 'rotten pizza'

 

[bunnyphoenix1]

The amount of chloroform inside the back of the trunk could possibly kill anybody inside the car. I wonder if Caylee was deceased before the car ended up at Amscott? Could Casey have been trying to commit suicide using the chloroform inside the trunk of the car? A lot of people kill themselves inside their vehicles unless not with chloroform though.

If she wanted to kill herself with it, why put it in the trunk? There is no evidence she was in the trunk, only evidence Caylee was there.

What makes you think Caylee was alive when the car was at Amscott? You think someone put a body in after?

 

[TotallyObsessed]

If Casey had put the chloroform in the car then there should have been no live flies or maggots in the trunk. George and tow yard guy said flies flew out when they opened the trunk and there were maggots. GA or CA used it to try to clean trunk IMO. Remember George said he thought trunk evidence would come up inconclusive? Why would he say that unless he tried to clean up? When they release the dates of the searches we will know for sure but I think that is why GA and CA got high profile lawyer.

EXACTLY - I went back and watched CA, GA and LA's testimony from the bond hearing the other night. LA stated that after receiving a call from GA, he went to the house to check on his mom, and saw KC's car in the garage. This was after it had been retrieved from the towyard. I believe SOMEBODY tried to get that smell out of the car by cleaning it with some heavy duty cleaner.

 

[Sassynic]

He said he got fired............does he have a new job now?

I posted in another thread that someone very very close to me swore he saw GA's car then saw GA himself walking into the building where my friend works.

I didn't believe it so he went to work today and one of the supervisors confirmed that GA works part time late nights for a security company. They move his location every night based on where they need him.

 

[the by and by]

I feel the chloroform was used in the 'not reported missing for 31 days' cleanup period. Casey is too narcissistic to even think of harming herself, but yet she has wrecked everyone else's lives around her and is high-fivin' about it. The word that comes to mind is not suicidal but psychopath does seem to suit her.

 

[lostnfound85]

I think the chloroform was used to kill Caylee - a nonviolent way of doing so, and very premeditated.

 

[Linda7NJ]

The amount of chloroform inside the back of the trunk could possibly kill anybody inside the car. I wonder if Caylee was deceased before the car ended up at Amscot? Could Casey have been trying to commit suicide using the chloroform inside the trunk of the car? A lot of people kill themselves inside their vehicles unless not with chloroform though.

More thank likely chloroform would be a very easy death I assume. I wonder if Casey was going to kill herself to make her parents feel really awful? I wonder if Caylee was dead before the car made its way to Amscott or after.

Hope this doesn't sound stupid and although it is very unlikely it could very well be a possibility and I don't think anybody else has mentioned it.

not many psychopaths commit suicide

 

[Mama Lioness]

The amount of chloroform inside the back of the trunk could possibly kill anybody inside the car. I wonder if Caylee was deceased before the car ended up at Amscott? Could Casey have been trying to commit suicide using the chloroform inside the trunk of the car? A lot of people kill themselves inside their vehicles unless not with chloroform though.

More thank likely chloroform would be a very easy death I assume. I wonder if Casey was going to kill herself to make her parents feel really awful? I wonder if Caylee was dead before the car made its way to Amscott or after.

Hope this doesn't sound stupid and although it is very unlikely it could very well be a possibility and I don't think anybody else has mentioned it.

Casey is definitely not a candidate. No feelings of guilt, no remorse, and way too narcissitic.

 

[treeseeker]

I looked to see if Casey's car had an interior trunk release - it doesn't. It does have a remote entry option, but I don't know if it would work from inside the trunk or if Casey's had it. There was a CSI episode about a girl setting up a kidnapping, backfired and she died in her own trunk.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Casey sure didn't look suicidal while using that girl as a stripper pole and all the photos I saw where she was smiling like she had just won the lottery.

 

[NancyDrewNY]

definately not suicidal.....but.......what if caylee was just the first....she mentioned to AH that she was going to get the house....hmmmm....just thinking out loud...it wouldn't be the first in history. jmho.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I looked to see if Casey's car had an interior trunk release - it doesn't. It does have a remote entry option, but I don't know if it would work from inside the trunk or if Casey's had it. There was a CSI episode about a girl setting up a kidnapping, backfired and she died in her own trunk.

That year model was required to have an interior trunk release.

§ 571.401 Standard No. 401; Interior trunk release.
S1. Purpose and scope. This standard establishes the requirement for providing a trunk release mechanism that makes it possible for a person trapped inside the trunk compartment of a passenger car to escape from the compartment.

S2. Application. This standard applies to passenger cars that have a trunk compartment. This standard does not apply to passenger cars with a back door.

S3. Definitions.

Back door means a door or door system on the back end of a passenger car through which cargo can be loaded or unloaded. The term includes the hinged back door on a hatchback or a station wagon.

Trunk compartment. (a) Means a space that:

(1) Is intended to be used for carrying luggage or cargo,

(2) Is wholly separated from the occupant compartment of a passenger car by a permanently attached partition or by a fixed or fold-down seat back and/or partition,

(3) Has a trunk lid, and

(4) Is large enough so that the three-year-old child dummy described in Subpart C of Part 572 can be placed inside the trunk compartment, and the trunk lid can be closed and latched with all removable equipment furnished by the passenger car manufacturer stowed in accordance with label(s) on the passenger car or information in the passenger car owner's manual, or, if no information is provided, as located when the passenger car is delivered. (Note: For purposes of this standard, the Part 572 Subpart C test dummy need not be equipped with the accelerometers specified in §572.21.)

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

Casey is to hung up on Casey to ever kill herself.

 

[Can't Sleep]

I have a question that is in the same vein as this topic... (and my question might sound silly, but be nice, please )

I don't understand how someone could clean the trunk, or handle that amount of chloroform without suffering ill effects, themselves, from the substance?

I'm sure my idea of chloroform is very "hollywood" and not at all from experience, which is why I'm asking. If seems if you were hunched over cleaning a trunk with large amounts of chloroform, that you might pass out, yourself.

Can anyone enlighten me?

Chloroform is heavier than air so it doesn't fume up like gasoline or some other cleaners. I think it is possible that someone could use this substance as a cleaner without being overcome. We used to use something called "Energine" which was Carbon Tetra Fluoride aka dry cleaning fluid. It was very effective, dried very quickly and didn't ever cause a problem unless you were in a very tightly closed up room. Same general principle.

Just thought I'd let you know.

 

[babycat]

Chloroform is heavier than air so it doesn't fume up like gasoline or some other cleaners. I think it is possible that someone could use this substance as a cleaner without being overcome. We used to use something called "Energine" which was Carbon Tetra Fluoride aka dry cleaning fluid. It was very effective, dried very quickly and didn't ever cause a problem unless you were in a very tightly closed up room. Same general principle.

Just thought I'd let you know.

Thank you! That helps...you rock

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I believe she IS a flight risk............that family has NO MONEY up on that bond. They have a few thousand they could lose on the other charges, but SOMEONE else is on the hook for the big money. That is why LP had someone with her at all times. They could ALL leave.

As for suicide, not until all avenues are closed. That is when narcissistic sociopaths check out and many times take others with them.

 

[suspicious mind]

I think she is a flight risk as soon as she figures out she isn't getting away with whatever she did. I don't think she is at that point yet, she probably feels that her lawyer will get her off.

 

[gibby207]

I believe she IS a flight risk............that family has NO MONEY up on that bond. They have a few thousand they could lose on the other charges, but SOMEONE else is on the hook for the big money. That is why LP had someone with her at all times. They could ALL leave.

As for suicide, not until all avenues are closed. That is when narcissistic sociopaths check out and many times take others with them.

Yes, I believe she IS a flight risk. And even more so now that there is no GPS on that anklet of hers. Suicide? I doubt it...