Sunday 6/2/13 on True Crime Radio - Elaine Redwine

[The Cheese]

I am confused as has LE not said that Dylan's last contact was at 9:37pm ? - which rules out anybody speaking to Dylan after that time I would of thought !

Here's LE's statement

9:37 p.m. Dylan's last electronic device communication (texting)

All I can get from that is that Dylan's last text was sent at 9:37. It doesn't rule out things like voice calls on the landline, private messages on facebook, speaking to someone in person, handwritten note left at the house.

If LE said "Dylan's last communication 9:37", I could accept that it was his last known communication of any kind. But they just had to go and stick that "(texting)" on there lol.

:cow:

 

[The Cheese]

Why would he use a landline? I can't imagine a kid using a landline ever, if they have texting devices. And if he had, the last comm. from him would not have been 9:37pm per LE.

If the landline rang, I think he would answer it. Especially if that 9:37pm text was "call me".

I just need more information from LE before I could say that 9:37 was Dylan's last communication of any kind, basically because LE stuck that "(texting)" on the end.

:cow:

 

[cluciano63]

I believe ER has always said that no one heard from or spoke to Dylan after Sunday evening, and she would probably know, IMO.

 

[katydid23]

Here's LE's statement



All I can get from that is that Dylan's last text was sent at 9:37. It doesn't rule out things like voice calls on the landline, private messages on facebook, speaking to someone in person, handwritten note left at the house.

If LE said "Dylan's last communication 9:37", I could accept that it was his last known communication of any kind. But they just had to go and stick that "(texting)" on there lol.

:cow:

Wouldn't Mark have said something if there was a written note left behind? Or a call from the landline? Or a FB message?

I know that Cory was monitoring the FB so I doubt there were any messages that we were not told about. JMO

 

[The Cheese]

I believe ER has always said that no one heard from or spoke to Dylan after Sunday evening, and she would probably know, IMO.

Probably, but LE withholds information from parents, and I don't believe ER could get access to MR's landline records. So I need to hear it from LE. I know I'm probably overly nitpicky.

:cow:

 

[The Cheese]

Wouldn't Mark have said something if there was a written note left behind? Or a call from the landline? Or a FB message?

I know that Cory was monitoring the FB so I doubt there were any messages that we were not told about. JMO

MR could only talk about what he knows about, and I don't think he'd know about local calls made or received on the landline. I think only long distance calls show up.

If there was a note, LE may have asked him to keep that information confidential.

Private messages on facebook can only be accessed if you have the person's password to log in to their account. Even if MR or Cory had Dylan's password, Dylan had a number of facebook pages, and may have had one or more that MR and Cory didn't know about.

It's because of things like these that I want to hear from LE, who can gain access to a lot more info than anyone else, and to me, is the best source of info on a missing person's last known communication of any kind.

Combined with that, they keep information to themselves. So they could well know about facebook page and message, or local calls made or received on the landline, and just be keeping quiet about them.

:cow:

 

[cluciano63]

Jmo, thinking there may have been a note or other calls does not make sense to me, since LE has indicated they pretty much have not only no clue what happened to him but also no clue in what manner he left the premises. And their actions (or non-actions, depending upon how one looks at it) seems to fit a LEA just waiting and hoping for another clue or the retrieval of Dylan, i.e either stumped or laying in wait while they monitor a POI. Other calls or notes would probably have pointed them in one direction or another. All JMO of course.

 

[Dee10]

According to the link below, land-line phone companies do log incoming & outgoing phone calls and LE would have this information.

The detailed bill will provide a record of all calls sent and received from the land line.

http://www.ehow.com/how_5004131_retrieve-call-records-landline-phones.html

 

[katydid23]

If there had been ANY communication on MOnday, by landline or FB or i-pod touch, we would have heard about it, imo. I think LE would have said he was last heard from at such and such a time on Monday when he posted a FB message or something like that. JMO

 

[The Cheese]

According to the link below, land-line phone companies do log incoming & outgoing phone calls and LE would have this information.



http://www.ehow.com/how_5004131_retrieve-call-records-landline-phones.html

Yes, I do believe it's true - that the phone company has the local incoming and outgoing calls, that LE would have access to it, but that a regular customer would not necessarily have access to it.

I've always had long distance calls show on my landline bills over the years, but never the local calls, regardless of who I was getting my service from.

 

[The Cheese]

Jmo, thinking there may have been a note or other calls does not make sense to me, since LE has indicated they pretty much have not only no clue what happened to him but also no clue in what manner he left the premises. And their actions (or non-actions, depending upon how one looks at it) seems to fit a LEA just waiting and hoping for another clue or the retrieval of Dylan, i.e either stumped or laying in wait while they monitor a POI. Other calls or notes would probably have pointed them in one direction or another. All JMO of course.

I think LE has, at the very least, a clue. :cow:

 

[Bayou Mistress]

Remember, unless a poster is a verified professional, we don't like to see blanket statements like this one. It doesn't take too long to find a supporting link. I was messing around with Google and found this interesting one that can be discussed:

http://voices.yahoo.com/top-10-signs-re-being-lied-to-3175168.html

In fairness, this yahoo contributor has a BA in English Literature and works as a freelance author. In other words, she's no expert.

 

[katydid23]

If LE knew that D had made a call from the home at , let's say, 10:15 am, wouldn't they have said something like: " we need to see local video and witnesses from the area after 10;15 am on Monday morning?"

 

[katydid23]

In fairness, this yahoo contributor has a BA in English Literature and works as a freelance author. In other words, she's no expert.

When someone speaks for about 30 minutes, and says " Let me be honest, In all Honesty, Let's be Honest, Honestly," over and over again, many people with basic common sense, would find it to be a red flag. JMO :moo:

 

[mijamawi]

I still think that last text at 9:37 is a key. I also think it came from his iTouch. Now, who was it to and what did it say? And, why didn't he use his regular cell to send that message? Was it a text to someone he didn't want anyone to know about?

Remember LE said they found his email texting account.

MR saying he was arguing with LE about Dylan texting later and then learning about the later text, one that ER was not aware of since she thought his last communication was 8:01 PM, makes me think there's something there. IMO

 

[mijamawi]

When someone speaks for about 30 minutes, and says " Let me be honest, In all Honesty, Let's be Honest, Honestly," over and over again, many people with basic common sense, would find it to be a red flag. JMO :moo:

I don't believe that at all.

 

[Bayou Mistress]

http://hbr.org/2011/12/your-use-of-pronouns-reveals-your-personality

This is an interesting article about the use of pronouns written by the chairperson of the Psychology Dept at the University of Texas.

Can you tell if someone’s lying by their use of function words?

Yes. A person who’s lying tends to use “we” more or use sentences without a first-person pronoun at all. Instead of saying “I didn’t take your book,” a liar might say “That’s not the kind of thing that anyone with integrity would do.” People who are honest use exclusive words like “but” and “without” and negations such as “no,” “none,” and “never” much more frequently. We’ve analyzed transcripts of court testimony, and the differences in speech patterns are really clear.

If you listened to a job interview, what would the use of function words tell you?

It’s almost impossible to hear the differences naturally, which is why we use transcripts and computer analysis. Take a person who’s depressed. “I” might make up 6.5% of his words, versus 4% for a nondepressed person. That’s a huge difference statistically, but our ears can’t pick it up. But hypothetically, if I were to listen to an interview, I might consider how the candidate talks about their coworkers at their last job. Do they refer to them as “we” or “they”? That gives you a sense of their relationship to the group. And if you want someone who’s really decisive in a position, a person who says “It’s hot” rather than “I think it’s hot” may be a better fit.

Mark uses "I" when speaking for himself and uses "we" in referencing both himself and EH about finding Dylan. He also has said more than once, that he would never harm Dylan.

 

[katydid23]

I still think that last text at 9:37 is a key. I also think it came from his iTouch. Now, who was it to and what did it say? And, why didn't he use his regular cell to send that message? Was it a text to someone he didn't want anyone to know about?

Remember LE said they found his email texting account.

MR saying he was arguing with LE about Dylan texting later and then learning about the later text, one that ER was not aware of since she thought his last communication was 8:01 PM, makes me think there's something there. IMO

I am sure you will disagree---:wink: ----but I think Mark might have taken his cell from him earlier---and so Dylan went and got the i-pod touch and used that instead. And maybe that triggered more anger from Mark, and triggered the entire event. JMO

 

[Kimster]

In fairness, this yahoo contributor has a BA in English Literature and works as a freelance author. In other words, she's no expert.

Understood. I also saw some sites that say you can't tell a person is lying at all. I don't know if I believe that, but :dunno:

The main thing I was trying to get across was how important it is to use links - not that the information is necessarily scientific. :kimsterwink:

 

[katydid23]

http://hbr.org/2011/12/your-use-of-pronouns-reveals-your-personality

This is an interesting article about the use of pronouns written by the chairperson of the Psychology Dept at the University of Texas.

Can you tell if someone’s lying by their use of function words?





Mark uses "I" when speaking for himself and uses "we" in referencing both himself and EH about finding Dylan. He also has said more than once, that he would never harm Dylan.

The word “never” is often used by deceptive people when making a denial. This is because people do not want to lie. Therefore, they will choose the easiest form of deception. It is easier for a person to be dishonest using the word “never” as opposed to directly telling a lie by saying “I didn’t do it.” For example, if a person was asked if he took the money he may state, “I would never do that.” In addition to recognizing the use the word “never,” we also see the person did not deny the action. He did not say he did not take the money. He only stated this is something he would in no way do.

Because the word “never” is a negative word, it sometimes fools the interviewer into believing the subject has answered the question and denied the accusation. This question requires a “yes” or “no” answer. The subject chose to answer the question using the word “never” instead of using the word “no.” This shows us the subject is most likely being deceptive. Although he gave an answer, he did not answer the specific question. He did not state, “No, I did not sell him drugs.”

http://www.blifaloo.com/info/never-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.php