Supreme Court Nominee

[minazoe]

I find this far-fetched. When asked by Kamala Harris if he ever blacked out, he ducked the response. He didn't say no. He knew he was lying.

yes, possible

 

[Inthedetails]

delete. apologies. having board trouble (my errors).

 

[kaen]

A Republican Yale drinking buddy of Kavanaugh's tells CNN he lied to the Senate Judiciary Committee

One of them, Lynne Brookes, also accepted Chris Cuomo's invitation to join him on CNN after Kavanaugh repeated his claim of relative sobriety under oath before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Thursday. Cuomo asked Brookes — a Republican who admires Kavanaugh's judicial record — why she changed her mind.

"I'll tell you, Chris, I watched the whole hearing, and a number of my Yale colleagues and I were extremely disappointed in Brett Kavanaugh's characterization of himself and the way that he evaded his excessive drinking question" and "was lying to the Senate Judiciary Committee today," Brookes said. "There is no doubt in my mind that while at Yale, he was a big partier, often drank to excess, and there had to be a number of nights where he does not remember." She said she can "almost guarantee" he doesn't remember a night she witnessed where he was "stumbling drunk, in a ridiculous costume, saying really dumb things" to pledge a fraternity.

 

[Jax49]

Love to be a fly on the wall at the Kavanaugh house this morning.

Did he watch her testimony yet? Did he watch his own? What does he think about the American Bar Association, Dershowitz and at least three Republican governors calling for the vote to be delayed?

moo

 

[Inthedetails]

Love to be a fly on the wall at the Kavanaugh house this morning.

Did he watch her testimony yet? Did he watch his own? What does he think about the American Bar Association, Dershowitz and at least three Republican governors calling for the vote to be delayed?

moo

I wouldn't want to be there! I've seen how he acts when angry, and I imagine the household atmosphere is very tense. I don't think he is reflective about it - just angry.

Speculation only.

jmo

 

[bluedivergirl]

Misplaced the source of her trauma? What could that possibly mean? Have you ever had a truly traumatic experience? Of any kind? If so, being honest with yourself, have you ever forgotten the most basic details of that trauma?

I am almost 60. I was raped by a police officer I had never seen before, when I was 17 years old (and no, I was neither in trouble or in custody , nor had I done anything wrong of any kind, even a minor anything).

I remember his face. I remember his smell. I remember the paralyzing fear I felt. I remember what I now know was adrenaline, in mind and body, taking over, guiding my decisions to fight or flee or submit , whichever would give me a better chance of surviving. I remember how I felt, before, during, and after. I remember the silence after I fled, and how destroyed I already felt. I remember the shower I took as soon as I was safely home, even what kind of soap I used, and that I turned the water on so hot for so long I was bright red when I got out, and that I still didn't feel clean, didn't think I would ever feel clean. I remember not being able to scream in the shower, or to cry very loudly , because my mother might hear, my brothers might hear, and then I would have to explain or tell or say something , which I could not do then, or for the next 20 or so years.

Not saying is NOT the same as not being spared the agonizing memories of the trauma.

I am 63, and yes, I have experienced severe trauma. I still deal with the consequences. There are gaps in my memories. I accept that. No one can say one trauma is worse than another; it is subjective.

IMO, a sheltered young woman experiencing violence for the first time could be extremely traumatized.

. . . Most people remember the bad things that happen to them, but sometimes extreme trauma is forgotten. Scientists are studying this, and we are beginning to understand how this occurs. When this forgetting becomes extreme, a dissociative disorder sometimes develops, such as dissociative amnesia, dissociative fugue, depersonalization disorder and dissociative identity disorder. These disorders and their relationship to trauma are still being studied. . .

Is It Possible to Forget Something That Happened to You in the Past?

She is a very credible witness. I believe she was assaulted. The problem is we do not have a single witness to support any part of her memories. What if her memory has conflated two separate events?

 

[Jax49]

I wouldn't want to be there! I've seen how he acts when angry, and I imagine the household atmosphere is very tense. I don't think he is reflective about it - just angry.

Speculation only.

jmo

Wow, you just gave me chills. So right, he's a very angry man. A scary man (imho).

 

[simba16]

Yes his classmates having been coming out in past week to contradict him on so many points. It appears he lied Thursday about several issues. More people will change their minds and come forward. If confirmed he will be known as a credibly accused rapist confirmed by GOP. It is not about hating Trump remember Gorsuch was approved with some votes by several Democrats. There were no allegations against Gorsuch and he conducted himself admirably during his hearings.
Remember this is after the MeToo movement. Republicans would be wise to nominate someone else. Their party's leader, Trump, is approved by only 29% of women in one poll--GOP has lost the white, college-educated suburban women's vote. I don't think yesterday's spectacle with Lindsay Graham calling it--testimony of Dr.Ford--crap is going to help.

 

[simba16]

I just heard a Republican woman on MSNBC say Kavanaugh lost her the minute he brought up the Clintons during his rant. He was disappointing on so many levels.

 

[Elley Mae]

Whatever information Mark Judge is refusing to testify to today, I imagine. The FBI might be able to get him to answer some questions. Who knows?

Again I’ll ask, What is there to testify to if he (Judge) says he was not at the “party in question”.

I wasn’t there, should I be called to testify.?

 

[MamaTiger]

Question: Why, after all these years, did Kavanaugh still possess a calendar from his high school years in 1982?

Seriously? Who, besides a sentimental teen girl, keeps a calendar (a de facto diary, as it were) of events all these years later?

IMO, he kept it all these years later because it was a treasured memento of his disgusting conquests.

I know people like this. My MIL could easily go into a box labeled and dated and give you a receipt for an item she bought 40 years ago. She also has calendars marked with what happened for pretty much every day of her adult life (she is in her 70s). I am not sure how long she has done this, so it is possible she has it clear to childhood.

 

[bluedivergirl]

Thank you, and the past few weeks have indeed been a triggering time for many, including me, but for some of us at least, including me, they have been liberating as well.

After all these years, for the first time it feels possible to tell, and to tell more than I have ever told before, to anyone. I will never tell anyone I know, including my husband, exactly what happened, the all of it, the every kind of assault and pain and degradation, but after today, I'm determined to call a rape crisis hotline tomorrow and for the first, last , and only time, say it all, so I will have done
everything I could to at long last diminish the damage silence does.
Thank you, Dr. Blasey.

I encourage you to do this as soon as you are ready.

I remember the first time I told a doc, a neurologist the essence of what happened to me. He said he was so very sorry. A part of me was shocked that he was kind. I did not expect it; I expected to be scorned. I still think about that response and what it means to survivors.

 

[Inthedetails]

Again I’ll ask, What is there to testify to if he (Judge) says he was not at the “party in question”.

I wasn’t there, should I be called to testify.?

I'm not OP, but I'll answer your question: No, you shouldn't be called to testify. I haven't heard anyone suggest you were at the party so there would be no point in asking a random stranger to testify. Judge isn't a random stranger and the accuser has stated he was there.

jmo

 

[CARIIS]

Letter from Mark Judge to the Committee dated Sept. 27, 2018.

Mark Judge, Kavanaugh's friend, responds to Ford's testimony prior to key vote

I did not know witnesses get to choose if the FBI knocks on the door

The media continuing to wonder why he does want an FBI investigation is IMO a flat out stupid.

The reps were not hiding 100,000 documents that were recipes trust me

He had trouble getting nominated other times -- there are reasons for this.

He lies under oath - did so in his confirmation hearings this week

He lied underoath in the one before that

 

[Inthedetails]

I remember the first time I told a doc, a neurologist the essence of what happened to me. He said he was so very sorry. A part of me was shocked that he was kind. I did not expect it; I expected to be scorned. I still think about that response and what it means to survivors.

Snipped.

(OT: Excellent reminder how powerful being kind is. Kindness is powerful.)

jmo

 

[CARIIS]

Again I’ll ask, What is there to testify to if he (Judge) says he was not at the “party in question”.

I wasn’t there, should I be called to testify.?

You did not author books about Kav and your vile years in the years in question.

Wasted: Tales of a Genx Drunk Hardcover – May 1, 1997
by Mark Gauvreau Judge

 

[CARIIS]

I just heard a Republican woman on MSNBC say Kavanaugh lost her the minute he brought up the Clintons during his rant. He was disappointing on so many levels.

I kept thinking my goodness this is not how a professional behaves. Especially on global TV. How embarrassing for AMericans for the world to see our leaders and this unstable person have temper tantrums live

In any other setting both would have been fired on the spot

pathetic

 

[Deleted member 39678]

Ever heard of a subpoena? It’s not voluntary. And lying to the FBI gets you time in federal prison. People crack. Plus, why do you think Judge is hiding out?

Ever heard of the 5th amendment?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I found Dr. Ford credible. However there is no one backing up her claim...not even her close female friend.

I do not put emotions in my thought process or politics nor do I put my own past of being a survivor of sexual abuse either. To do so would make me biased unable to think clearly.

I do believe someone did this to her at some point in her teens but I must go by coroberating evidence and there isn't any. I cried for Ford as she testfied.

However I found Kavanaugh..s opening just as passionate and riveting. I cried during his opening and testimony too.

He has every right to be very anger.

Some seem to think an accused man should remain calm and unemotional no matter if they have been accused of sexual assault they have said they absolutely did not do. Seriously? Really? Since when are judges suppose to stop being human beings? I think he showed anger because he is like anyone else would be but most of it was emotional sadness how he and his family have been destroyed.

I dont think anyone would insist that be the case if it was a woman judge who said she is being falsely accused of a sexual assault.

In the end both of them were believable yet the facts like it or not supports BK...even using her own witness list.

Imo

 

[Hope4More]

Whether one considered him suited or unsuited for the job before this, has nothing to do with if one believes whether or not he sexually assaulted anyone.
That is not the question.

I am looking to see if there is anyone out there anywhere who holds a view that is in conflict with their opinion about POTUS.

So far, it does not appear that there is, not just here at websleuths, but anywhere. On both sides of this debate, everybody everywhere including the Senate committee are basing their opinion of a sexual assault allegation totally in line with their opinion of POTUS. Both sides.

Confirmation bias at its finest, in full effect. And it appears nobody even realizes it.

That isn't accurate. There were many women, especially, including pro-trumpers, who said afterwards that they thought Dr. Blasey was credible, and that they believed her. In my post you link to, I said that even trump thought she was credible.

The logical problem for those who believed her, even when they didn't want or expect to, was where to go from there. Some said they believed her, but also believed she was part of a conspiracy to bring K down. Others said they believed her but didn't think that K should be held accountable for something he had done 36 years ago, when he was a teenager. Others didn't even bother to try to reconcile believing her but also believing K's flat out denial it ever happened.

Many believe- despite their political ideology- that the most obvious way to reconcile believing her and believing him is that K did exactly what she claimed, but that he was too drunk to remember that he had in fact attacked her. And, BTW, that K responded so angrily to questions about his drinking BECAUSE he knew his excessive drinking made her claims entirely plausible, even slam dunk believable.

As for opinions expressed here. This is a political thread, with folks expressing political opinions, which in my experience, makes many WSers very uncomfortable. Even if the pattern of opinions expressed here entirely lined up with what you call confirmation bias (and they don't), that would be expected, given the self selection of those posting here in a political thread.

If, theoretically, you were to ask that question on a trial thread, I am 100% certain you would get a response that might surprise you, it would seem.

For example, in the Arias trial, many responded with great anger & contempt when she claimed to be a DV victim, and those with the greatest anger were often those who were DV survivors who knew she was lying because they knew nothing she said about bring abused rang true. At all.

There are a lot of rape survivors here on WS, as there are everywhere. As one myself, I can tell you that I believed Dr. Blasey not because of my political beliefs, but because the story she told of her assault rang absolutely true, as did her telling of it, as did her telling of it after
so long, as did the trauma she said she experienced, most severely for the next 4 years.

She would not forget the face or name of the man who assaulted her. Her girlfriend said she didn't remember that get together. Why would she? As stated, nothing remarkable happened to her , on a night that wasn't remarkable to begin with . She also, btw, says she believes Dr. Blasey.

Same with PJ as to unremarkable, but also that he didn't want to be called as a witness or questioned any further.

Then we have Judge, for whom the night was clearly remarkable, if Blasey is to be believed. If you were Judge, wouldn't you DEMAND to be heard, in order to clear your friend's name? Why would you instead refuse to be put under oath and flee?

More than anything else other than K's refusal to agree to a FBi investigation, it is Judge's cowardly silence and flight that negates the constant and disingenuous claim that her account can't be corroborated. Nonsense.