Susan Powell's Blood Was Found In Her Home

[JSR]

I think you meant "Josh"... not "Scott"

Opps sorry you are correct. Well in any case Josh and Scott P seem to be cut from the same cloth so perhaps my mind is blending them into one.

 

[OEJ]

The most chilling thing to me in the search warrant is when Jovanna Owings called Josh Powell at 3:03 pm on Dec. 07 and told him Susan had not been at work that day. He said he didn't know that.

THEN, he drives 20 miles out of town and leaves a voicemail on Susan's phone at 3: 34 pm, which is in the vehicle with him, saying he just got back in town and did she want him to pick her up from work.

 

[JSR]

That certainly makes sense...all be it....sick as it as. Change is a must. I just wish she would have left and sought counsel who would have been adamant in their defense. I'm to the point, I don't think anything besides going completely under the radar would have saved her or the boys...ever. What a sick predatory nature these two Powell's had!! :sigh:

BBM.

I agree. I don't think Susan had many options that would ensure that she and her sons could get out of this alive. And I'm positive that had Susan left and gone underground Josh would have surely killed her parents or other loved ones in retaliation and Susan knew he was capable of doing it. For as sick and twisted Josh and his father were they had equal doses of determination. If Josh wanted Susan dead he was determined to make that a reality. And the same goes to killing his sons out of pure spite.

I don't think Susan and her sons had a chance at all.

 

[x_files]

BBM.

I agree. I don't think Susan had many options that would ensure that she and her sons could get out of this alive. And I'm positive that had Susan left and gone underground Josh would have surely killed her parents or other loved ones in retaliation and Susan knew he was capable of doing it. For as sick and twisted Josh and his father were they had equal doses of determination. If Josh wanted Susan dead he was determined to make that a reality. And the same goes to killing his sons out of pure spite.

I don't think Susan and her sons had a chance at all.

Maybe, but we'll never know.
I know some women are scared to death to "kidnap" their own children to save them to be later thrown in jail for that very action leaving the children exposed once again.
Laws need to change.

 

[Allusonz]

Just thinking out loud here... I know that the LE is saying they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. I will NOT defend them for what they didn't do but I wonder if there is an unspoken end to that sentence. "We didn't have enough to charge in a death penalty case". Since Utah is a death penalty state, that could be a factor. I don't know. Still they should have done something to protect those boys!

BBM

You bring up a good point here. As well maybe it was we did not have enough to charge JP and SP.

Just my :twocents:

 

[AmandaReckonwith]

Susan Powell case archive updated.

The mishandling of the case as revealed by search warrants unsealed...
is here:

http://s296.photobucket.com/albums/mm166/crankycrankerson/Susan%20Cox%20Powell%20%20-UT-/Steve%20Powell-%20Crimes-%20Punishment-%20WebRants-%20Susan/

 

[dovebar]

The most chilling thing to me in the search warrant is when Jovanna Owings called Josh Powell at 3:03 pm on Dec. 07 and told him Susan had not been at work that day. He said he didn't know that.

THEN, he drives 20 miles out of town and leaves a voicemail on Susan's phone at 3: 34 pm, which is in the vehicle with him, saying he just got back in town and did she want him to pick her up from work.

This is exactly the kind of lie that should have brought him in for questioning, or allowed them to get a warrant to put a tracker on his car, or something else they didn't do. Jovanna was an adult, not a child, and could have testified to this bizarre lie.

 

[Jacie Estes]

Just thinking out loud here... I know that the LE is saying they didn't have enough evidence to charge him. I will NOT defend them for what they didn't do but I wonder if there is an unspoken end to that sentence. "We didn't have enough to charge in a death penalty case". Since Utah is a death penalty state, that could be a factor. I don't know. Still they should have done something to protect those boys!

I think that there was not the legal acumen to see the intricacies of the case and envision the scope of the prosecution necessary; with lesser included offenses, a guilty verdict would have been possible. I am not sure why the prosecutor and LE could not have come up with something, anything to keep him in jail, at least; perhaps just plain incompetence. IMHO

As for the boys, WHY would they sit on information that would have helped keep them away from josh? They had information and evidence that showed them what josh was capable of and still they didn't act on it. IMHO

 

[SuziQ]

WTH? I don't buy what this guy is selling. Unless they are talking internet . But JC, they haven't even presented a case yet.

WVCPD chief says more than Josh, Steven Powell under investigation
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=198...even-powell-under-investigation&s_cid=queue-2

 

[Frigga]

BBM.

I agree. I don't think Susan had many options that would ensure that she and her sons could get out of this alive. And I'm positive that had Susan left and gone underground Josh would have surely killed her parents or other loved ones in retaliation and Susan knew he was capable of doing it. For as sick and twisted Josh and his father were they had equal doses of determination. If Josh wanted Susan dead he was determined to make that a reality. And the same goes to killing his sons out of pure spite.

I don't think Susan and her sons had a chance at all.

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Gosh JSR... I never thought of it this way, but I have to say that I think you are exactly right. Poor Susan, may she and her darling babies rest in peace.

 

[Jacie Estes]

WTH? I don't buy what this guy is selling. Unless they are talking internet . But JC, they haven't even presented a case yet.

WVCPD chief says more than Josh, Steven Powell under investigation
http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=198...even-powell-under-investigation&s_cid=queue-2

I have always believed that there is a angle involving josh and, as we now know, steve. It is my belief that when this is all over, there will be a ring found, internet or otherwise. A few months after Susan went missing, I was asking on a blog I had and elsewhere if josh had had a pickup truck or had access to a pickup truck. On a mountain road in Tooele, when we were camping there a year and a half before Susan went missing, I saw a man with a young boy, [the man looked exactly like josh in the pictures of him at Kiirsi's house at Thanksgiving and the boy looked like pictures of Charlie at a young age, I don't know where to find the pics this late at night]. Anyway, the man had this boy, just around toddler age standing up riding in the cab of the truck and then walking around a campsite. When we pulled up, he left with the boy. He creeped me out so much that I talked to the ranger who patrols the area and he said he would look for him. I don't know that it was definitely josh but as soon as I saw the pics of him at Kiirsi's it reminded me of that incident.

I vehemently disagree that it is 'not necessary' to find Susan's body; that has been the crux of this case since the beginning.

 

[sayd]

I took it to mean that they think more members of the Powell family may be involved, not just S and J.

 

[wenwe4]

Utah LE feels they did things right . . .

"We represent, really, the victim," Nielsen said. "Our goal is, how do we protect our evidence so we can get a conviction."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...on-Martin-Josh-Powell-at-community-forum.html

Here it is folks . . . just as we have been saying that Utah LE felt it more important to protect "their case" than protect these two children. Admission of guilt in the purest sense . . . . these two little boys didn't matter to Utah LE. WVPD was only concerned with protecting their case . . . not sharing information with those entities (CPS in Utah & Washington) about how much danger the children were in. Maybe they need to re-visit the terms . . . "to Protect and Serve"!

Well, how well is their case protected now for a conviction? Did they achieve their goal by sacrificing Charlie and Braden? Did they really get what they wanted? While they were off - preparing their "golden parachutes" for retirement . . . . no one in that Dept. cared to keep Susan's boys safe from the very person WVPD was trying to "build a case against".

 

[wenwe4]

Here is an audio discussion re: WVPD not bringing charges . . .

Atty. Anne Bremer has been hired by the Cox's to bring a lawsuit against WVPD!

http://mynorthwest.com/11/655994/Attorney-Parents-of-Susan-Cox-Powell-want-change

Listen at the link to Anne on a radio program.

Here is another link to Anne Bremner reprenting the Cox's

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-sus...o-charge-josh-powell-20120402,0,3670427.story

 

[ohiogirl]

I think they should sue. By the time this evidence was found, Susan was already gone. But her two boys were not. This definitely should have been used to keep him from leaving the state with them. WV LE and their mayor is just playing CYA. They will not be able to come up with any believable reason that they failed the Powell sons.
jmo

 

[NocturnalLady]

"Lohra Miller, who was the prosecutor in Salt Lake County at the time of Susan Powell’s disappearance, told the Tribune that police never presented the case for full consideration. In any event, she said, the facts laid out in the search warrants were insufficient -- in her mind -- to bring a case without risk of reasonable doubt."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-josh-powell-20120331,0,1105015.story

Why don't they let a JURY decide what is reasonable doubt??

 

[NocturnalLady]

Bumping the link to the warrants.

http://localtvkstu.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/steven-powell-warrants.pdf

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From the docs:

• LE found two fans had been left on, directed toward a sofa that appeared to have been recently cleaned. When asked about this, Josh explained to LE that Susan had instructed him to clean the sofa.
  
• Blood evidence was collected from a tiled floor area adjacent to the sofa. This blood evidence was found to match Susan.

Reading the documented sequence of events from the time Susan disappeared, and the evasive lies and highly incriminating behavior of Josh in these docs -- it's just unbelievable. Not to mention the incomprehensible perversion of daddy dearest. Ugh.

And Susan's posthumously-revealed words, written when she knew she was in danger and wanted to safeguard the truth; wow, how very tragic this is! All of it.

:notgood:

This combined with the 2 foot wide pink stain covered by the sofa that JP's sister saw that morning is more than enough to have arrested him and charged him with murder. Why would the police even pretend to think Susan was just missing with evidence like that in their face?

 

[x_files]

This combined with the 2 foot wide pink stain covered by the sofa that JP's sister saw that morning is more than enough to have arrested him and charged him with murder. Why would the police even pretend to think Susan was just missing with evidence like that in their face?

I am starting to think they didn't care or couldn't arrest him. It seems the DA wasn't interested in the evidence that was presented. She said it wasn't sufficient. It was posted earlier on this thread. Let's see if I can dig it. It's i infuriating.

 

[Desdemona]

Here is an audio discussion re: WVPD not bringing charges . . .

Atty. Anne Bremer has been hired by the Cox's to bring a lawsuit against WVPD!

http://mynorthwest.com/11/655994/Attorney-Parents-of-Susan-Cox-Powell-want-change

Listen at the link to Anne on a radio program.

Here is another link to Anne Bremner reprenting the Cox's

http://www.q13fox.com/news/kcpq-sus...o-charge-josh-powell-20120402,0,3670427.story

Thank you for posting this info.

One thing for certain IMO: This is an amazing family who have endured the worst kind of hell imaginable. According to the article snipped below (same one? updated version?), they are 'considering' a lawsuit at this time.

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Updated 1 hour, 54 minutes ago.
Attorney: Parents of Susan Cox Powell want change

Bremner said if the Cox family pursues action against the department, the claim would likely be for negligent investigation.

She said her clients' main concern is keeping this from happening to another family.

"My clients want change. That can come through legislation that they back. That can come through victim advocacy groups. That can come through litigation," said Bremner. "I'm talking to my clients as to what they want to do to effectuate some change."

http://mynorthwest.com/11/655994/Grieving-grandparents-consider-lawsuit-against-cops



BBM

 

[tiredblondy]

I am so glad Pierce County LE is telling it like it is! They would have saved those two boys if they'd have known all this!