Susan Powell's Blood Was Found In Her Home

[Desdemona]

KSL has Bremner calling it "premature" but "an option," and Mr. Cox saying they have not decided, remaining supportive of law enforcement for the time being. Excerpts:

Bremmer told KSL Tuesday that Chuck and Judy Cox want change. A lawsuit against West Valley City police for failing to arrest Josh Powell is premature, she says, but one option. Other options could include backing legislation over visitation rights, or advocating for victims' rights.

<snip>

Chuck Cox told KSL Monday he's not ready to file a lawsuit. Bremmer says the Coxes would like to see all the evidence before making a decision and remain supportive of law enforcement.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=198...uled-out-lawsuit-against-police&s_cid=queue-3

(MSM has certainly jumped on the lawsuit bandwagon, though... based on a quick Google search.)

 

[tiredblondy]

Utah LE feels they did things right . . .

"We represent, really, the victim," Nielsen said. "Our goal is, how do we protect our evidence so we can get a conviction."

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...on-Martin-Josh-Powell-at-community-forum.html

Here it is folks . . . just as we have been saying that Utah LE felt it more important to protect "their case" than protect these two children. Admission of guilt in the purest sense . . . . these two little boys didn't matter to Utah LE. WVPD was only concerned with protecting their case . . . not sharing information with those entities (CPS in Utah & Washington) about how much danger the children were in. Maybe they need to re-visit the terms . . . "to Protect and Serve"!

Well, how well is their case protected now for a conviction? Did they achieve their goal by sacrificing Charlie and Braden? Did they really get what they wanted? While they were off - preparing their "golden parachutes" for retirement . . . . no one in that Dept. cared to keep Susan's boys safe from the very person WVPD was trying to "build a case against".

They could have protected their case and still shared the info with Pierce LE and DCS! You're so right! It was all about their case and I suspect a child ring or rings! They could have continued that and still protected the children!

 

[dovebar]

Good. WVPD needs to be accountable to someone.

West Valley City seems like a cesspool - prosecutor with a DV past, mayor a public liar.

 

[wenwe4]

Utah . . . I hope you have a BIG Checkbook and be ready to write a lot of zero's behind a gazillion dollar figure. I am so very angry and outraged and fed up with the gall of Utah LE. They directly placed these two boys in the path of harm and destruction! Someone needs to have their ____________ in a vice squeezing down HARD! What a travesty of Justice. Their EGO is more important that the safety and welfare of two small children who do not have the capacity to protect themselves. Furious is the best way to describe what I am feeling. I cannot envision what the powers of decision making had in mind when they did not share this info with Washington CPS. These children would have been protected, alive, and safe in their Maternal Grandparents arms with love enveloping their very souls. Instead . . . Utah made sure to give JP the ability to hatchet and burn their little bodies for his own sick and twisted motives. (off to my corner so I don't lose my control) Thanks for letting me vent . . . I really am sick about the level that Utah failed this children!

reposting my post . . . still feelin the same way!

 

[sayd]

If who they really represent is the victim; I think everyone would agree that the victim would have wanted her children protected above all.

Hold them accountable!

 

[Penelope]

They could have protected their case and still shared the info with Pierce LE and DCS! You're so right! It was all about their case and I suspect a child ring or rings! They could have continued that and still protected the children!

I am also disgusted by the lack of action by the Utah LE. It is MY OPINION (and I am speculating here) that either there is/was someone higher up in LE or the Attorney General's Office who was involved in a child ring connected to Josh and his father or it had something to do with the conservative religious influence in the State of Utah where men have more status/importance than women.

I hope the Cox's sue the butt's off the LE agency involved in this farce -- the two little boys should have been protected as there was, in my opinion, enough evidence to arrest Josh. WHAT INCOMPETENCE!

 

[Desdemona]

Susan Powell's Parents: Josh Powell's Dad Knows What Happened To Missing Daughter

Posted: 04/ 4/2012 4:23 pm Updated: 04/ 4/2012 4:38 pm


The parents of missing Utah mom Susan Powell lashed out at her father-in-law in a TV interview, telling Fox, "I'm sure he knows where she is or where his son put her."

Charles and Judy Cox, whose daughter went disappeared in December 2009, appeared on Fox News on Tuesday to discuss new evidence linking Josh Powell to his wife's case. "I'm convinced that his dad knew everything that was going on, if not helping with it," Charles Cox told anchor Martha MacCallum.

(more at link) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...l-charles-judy-cox-steven-utah_n_1403293.html

 

[x_files]

I am also disgusted by the lack of action by the Utah LE. It is MY OPINION (and I am speculating here) that either there is/was someone higher up in LE or the Attorney General's Office who was involved in a child ring connected to Josh and his father or it had something to do with the conservative religious influence in the State of Utah where men have more status/importance than women.

I hope the Cox's sue the butt's off the LE agency involved in this farce -- the two little boys should have been protected as there was, in my opinion, enough evidence to arrest Josh. WHAT INCOMPETENCE!

I also think this goes much further and deeper than the Powell's or Susan's disappearance.

 

[DLT88]

This combined with the 2 foot wide pink stain covered by the sofa that JP's sister saw that morning is more than enough to have arrested him and charged him with murder. Why would the police even pretend to think Susan was just missing with evidence like that in their face?

2 foot?! Wow, she bled a lot then! That b*st*rd. Sickens me that they had ALL this evidence and did absolutely nothing! What do we have police for anyway anymore? Are they just to harrass people? When are they going to go back to solving crimes and putting truly dangerous people behind bars so they can't hurt anyone else? Sorry, a rant just came upon me.

 

[DLT88]

Thank you for posting this info.

One thing for certain IMO: This is an amazing family who have endured the worst kind of hell imaginable. According to the article snipped below (same one? updated version?), they are 'considering' a lawsuit at this time.

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Updated 1 hour, 54 minutes ago.
Attorney: Parents of Susan Cox Powell want change

Bremner said if the Cox family pursues action against the department, the claim would likely be for negligent investigation.

She said her clients' main concern is keeping this from happening to another family.

"My clients want change. That can come through legislation that they back. That can come through victim advocacy groups. That can come through litigation," said Bremner. "I'm talking to my clients as to what they want to do to effectuate some change."

http://mynorthwest.com/11/655994/Grieving-grandparents-consider-lawsuit-against-cops



BBM

Sometimes the only way these entities will get on the ball 'next time' is if they get financially punished for screwing up the last time. Sometimes money is all they understand so I hope the Cox's sue and win a very very large sum. It won't bring anyone back, but it will teach 'law enforcement' in that area a much-needed lesson.

 

[Sulamith]

This combined with the 2 foot wide pink stain covered by the sofa that JP's sister saw that morning is more than enough to have arrested him and charged him with murder. Why would the police even pretend to think Susan was just missing with evidence like that in their face?

I would love to have WVPD tell the public what their lab found out about the pink stain was and what substance was on the sofa. Was the pink stain old, or new? What was it? IMO, a pink stain is not enough evidence to have JP arrested. It could have been a soft drink or wine. I would like to know about Susan's blood that was found on the tile. Was it fresh, drops, or only found via Luminol?

 

[ohiogirl]

It makes me sick to think that this tragedy for these boys couldhave been avoided if the WV LE has just copped to what they knew.

 

[Mustang Sally]

From experience I couldn't agree more. Most states ensure shared parenting rights by both parties until such time as it is proven to not be in the child's best interests. For me it meant months of allowing my kiddos to be with their father unsupervised. I knew he was dangerous and volatile but to the court it apparently appeared a he said/she said.

The burden of proof is especially high when abuse isn't physical. Despite a restraining order, past evidence of DV and a lengthy psych history for my ex his rights as a parent trumped everything else. It wasn't until he attempted suicide in front of his then 12 year old daughter that the court ordered family supervised visitation. 9 months after that his visitation rights were suspended indefinitely after he plead guilty to drugging and raping his 14 year old niece.

Laws should not be designed to only retroactively protect children.

So saddened by what you had to experience, not to mention the 12 year old daughter and 14 year old niece.

I am a Guardian Ad Litem in the state of Florida. Were any of the children ever serviced by a Guardian Ad Litem? If not, they should have been. WE are advocates of the child and voice their personal wishes to the Judge! This man sounds like a complete basket case. I can not begin to understand how he was given unsupervised visitation! But...some of these cases that I have had in 6 years have left me rattled to my core. I really feel so sorry for the Caseworker who dropped off the boys. She has to be in such mental pain. I hope they are giving her some mental counseling. The guilt alone would be horrible if I ever lost a client..not to mention 2 innocent your boys.

I just got a new case yesterday and the 6 and 10 year old boys are living with the paternal grandmother. She has had them for 4 years. I met her today and she is quite old. She had been on a field trip with one of them this morning...Their Mother is in prison for drugs and has had 5 children. This grandmother's son is a Registered Sex Offender and he has the case reopened because he wants custody. True, he likes young girls...but still I already feel that he might not be a fit parent. He just got out of prison and has been seen in the company of a 15 year old girl. The part that bothers me is the fact that the father may have friends who are Sexual Offenders of young Boys!!! I meet the boys tomorrow and have to send a report before a hearing on 4/9/12...

Makes me wish I had taken the other case with a 14 month old little girl!!

Dear God...Please watch after Susan and her precious boys and give the Cox's and other Family members some closure

 

[Mustang Sally]

KSL has Bremner calling it "premature" but "an option," and Mr. Cox saying they have not decided, remaining supportive of law enforcement for the time being. Excerpts:



(MSM has certainly jumped on the lawsuit bandwagon, though... based on a quick Google search.)

The picture that was with that article is one I have never seen of Charlie and Braden...It breaks my heart to see such happy smiles on those boys faces and then to know that they are now Angels!

The anger that I feel against Josh Powell is still something that I have to come to grips with.

Praying that the law that Washington wants to pass in their names may in fact, save other's lives. I guess we can only hope!

Just My Humble Opinion!

 

[Just K]

Sadly, I am not sure that this proposed law is constitutional. Being accused/suspected is "legally" much different than being prosecuted and convicted. And, in this case, did WV LE ever "officially" label him a suspect? If so, then couldn't they have prevented him from leaving the state of UT and if so why didn't they?

 

[wenwe4]

Jpsh told a friend ...

"The TV report did not name the friend but ABC News has identified him as Scott Hardman.

“He was basically telling me about how the best way to dispose of a body would be down a mineshaft like a vertical one,” Hardman . . ."

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...ays-he-bragged-of-knowing-how-to-dump-a-body/


Video @ link and audio of interview w/Hardman

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/jos...on-friend-susan-powells-disapearance-16077181

 

[LietKynes]

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...aw-skipped-work-at-time-of-disappearance?lite
"Adding yet another wrinkle to the story, the Salt Lake Tribune learned Tuesday that Josh Powell&#8217;s father, Steven Powell, called in sick to work for two days a day after his daughter-in-law Susan Powell disappeared in Dec. 2009"

While I realise this isn't irrefutable proof; it looks like SP did have something to do with this. I wish LE would turn up the heat on SP !!
Sorry to have to post what I'm thinking :
It seems more than ever that Susans' remains are scattered in so many pieces that her parents will never have any part of her back.
Hard to imagine that there are such sick freaks as JP and SP out there.

 

[Pookie's Mom]

You know, I thought I was past getting emotional over this case, but even now, it still makes me cry. so senselss, all of it. I too, hope the Cox's sue with a vengence just to stick it to the ones who screwed up! It won't bring anyone back, but maybe it'll bring change. Prayers for Susan's family, they have been through so much.

 

[JSR]

I hope and pray that the Coxes can come to some sort of closure about their daughters death. It appears that they will never recover her body. Josh and his father likely made sure they never would. I hope they can come to find some peace about that tragedy.

 

[SilkySifaka]

I agree.

I also agree with another poster who mentioned the boys deaths are the responsibility of WVPD and SA's office, who chose to keep information secret to protect the integrity of the case over the safety of two young innocent boys.

WVLE and SA's office screwed up and screwed up big time. We've seen cases with 1st degree no body murder charges with far less evidence than what appears WVPD and the SA's office had in this case.

I still need to catch up on the thread, but WVLE and the SA's office needs to be held responsible for their complete failure in this case. I can't think of any other case where there has been such blatent incompetency.

I am one who holds LE to a very high standard, both cops and prosecutors because I believe that nothing should allow the conviction of an innocent man..I understand many a not guilty verdict when others don't.

Even me..whom I admit is stringent on reasonable doubt is dumbfounded at this incompetency.

This case cried out for a prosecution, not just from what was revealed today but the amount of info we had..this added to it would have made it a slam dunk or as near as can be without a video tape.

They had physical evidence, they had tons of circumstantial evidence, so they didn't have a body..it wasn't needed in this case!