Suspect #1: Dellen Millard *Charged* 1st Deg Murder 15 May 2013 #2

[matou]

Leitch told the court that at some point, police need Millard to make an in-person appearance at the courthouse so he can be fingerprinted.

It was an odd statement.

Normally, fingerprints are done at the time of arrest. Millard has been in custody more than a month. In Hamilton, prints are taken at the John Sopinka Courthouse.

Outside court, Leitch explained that while Millard's prints were taken when he was initially arrested and charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000, they were not taken again when the first-degree murder charge was laid a few days later.

The concern is that if the lesser charges were to be dropped — although Leitch says he has no intention of doing that — Millard's fingerprints would no longer be on file.

He wants Millard to appear in person on Aug. 1.

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/3839422-so-close-yet-so-far-from-answers-in-bosma-murder-case/

 

[swedie]

You just might be surprised , he has no record , innocent till proven guilty ( remember ) hes lead as far as the law knows a law abiding life....I think the onus will be on the crown , im sure no evedence will be told on aug 1 , there for will listen to both crown and defense , who ever tells the best story ....
im not saying guilt or innocense , but ive dealt with courts ,,,
How many times have you opened up the Toronto Sun and read murder suspect released on bail.. onlyto commit another murder or get killed gang bangin ..

Only problem is judge has read all the papers and heard all the interviews ,,, hell every 1 in this part of canada has heard ,, people on this forum are from all over,, im sure U S and Canada ,maybe beyound .. now can that judge really not be influenced .

dont forget ,, confinement can be as little as not letting your girlfriend/boyfriend not leave the room in a heated argument ...people charged with that everyday, at best unless repeat offender , its usually probation..

BBM that we or LE know of... how many times have we heard this phrase before?! All too many times IMO. Look how many serial killers lead what seemed like normal lives with no criminal record. Let me point out just a few; Paul B/Karla H, Russell W, Picton, John Wayne G, Jeffrey D and that's just a few. There may have been a criminal record from DM's teen years which he had been pardoned from or the files are sealed. Some people just get lucky enough to commit many crimes ranging from illegal drugs, drunk driving, speeding/dangerous driving, theft, rape, assault to murder before they are ever caught. I get the impression DM is an arrogant and lazy guy. He didn't seem to have the desire or ambition to make something out of a family business which was handed to him on a silver platter.

Respectfully you noted the judge will read all the papers and hear interviews, but most importantly the judge will have the evidence.

Confinement is simply put; holding anyone against their will. At some point in this crime TB was held against his will as his life ended in death. I am to believe TB did not die accidentally and that is why we are seeing a first degree murder charge. This makes me believe LE have some darn good evidence to apply that charge. MOO.

 

[swedie]

He was charged with multiple murders/ break enters/confinements /and a crapload more charges ...and russ CONFESSED to police .
d m with single murder ..not sayin a word . smart lawyer .

judge not there to hear case / strickly bail hearing , crown has to say something to perseude judge to not grant bail... lawyer will say my clients never been in trouble, never a conviction , law abiding citizen who runs the family buisness . his father and laura will not be mentioned ..

BBM How do we know DM is not saying or has said a word to date? Just because there is nothing in the MSM, that means diddly squat. He has a single charge of murder at this time but that could be upped to two or three murders eventually; LB and WM. I have not seen anything yet to indicate DM's lawyer is smart. He's yapped his mouth off quite a bit to the MSM and most of what he has to say is just typical of all defense lawyers. Second BBM What family business? As far as I know the business was pretty much dissolved shortly after his father's death. Fifty year lease was cancelled, employees notified they no longer had jobs. DM had zip for interest in keeping the business going and was using the hangar for his questionable hobbies. MOO

IMHO Williams only confessed because he was caught obviously red handed. His boot prints matched those found at the crime scene and his tire tracks. Also he claimed he didn't want to put his wife through so much more trauma then necessary. Williams knew the evidence had his DNA on them (undergarments) and his computer with all the pictures, videos and pictures he took of his raped and murdered victims, he knew it was game over. There was way too much direct evidence pointing a finger at him.

Just some info covered in this link:
Release Procedures- Bail by Police, Judicial Release (Bail by Judge), Habeas Corpus
Election of Trial Method
The Preliminary Inquiry
Pre-Trial Conferences
Plea Bargaining

PRE-TRIAL PROCEDURES
Once a person has been arrested and charged, it is common for the person to be released before trial if the offence committed is minor in nature. There are two ways in which an individual can be released once charged, one method is by the police themselves and the second is by the court system.

If the arresting officer or the supervising officer believes regardless of the nature of the charge that the individual is unlikely to appear in court, flee the country, continue to pose public danger, or cannot positively identify the individual, then police bail can be denied.

The onus is on the crown to prove or show cause why the individual should not be released. If the crown cannot convince the court of reasons to continue detention, then the assumption is that the individual should be released.

There are a small number of serious indictable offences in which the onus is also on the accused to prove why they should not remain in custody such as in the case of murder.

http://chatt.hdsb.ca/~mossutom/law/Handouts/Unit 3-Handout-Pre Trial Procedures-Release.htm

 

[swedie]

I have a feeling once DM is privy to the evidence against him and MS, he will be singing like a canary and rolling on MS big time. And vice versa. JMHO.

 

[swedie]

Hmmm how brilliant is DM's lawyer? He doesn't even know whether or not his client was fingerprinted... SERIOUSLY! :floorlaugh: DP is a lawyer and he doesn't even know the standard practice carried out by LE when people are arrested?! Shouldn't all lawyers know this sort of practice? IMO DP needs to go back to high school and take law 101. Best advice I could give anyone, if you need a defense lawyer, DO NOT CALL UPON DP. hwow:

In relation to the last sentence snipped from this report by me, I would bet my lunch money DP hasn't a clue as to whether DM has spoken with homicide detectives in regards to WM or LB. Something tells me he's not on the ball. Wouldn't one believe as soon as these cases were thought to have some connection to DM and him being a possible suspect, his lawyer would bring it to his attention and LE would want to question him ASAP? If LE haven't questioned him yet, I would assume they are looking for some sort of solid evidence to throw at DM. MOO.

So close — yet so far from answers in Bosma murder case
Outside court, Leitch explained that while Millard's prints were taken when he was initially arrested and charged with forcible confinement and theft over $5,000, they were not taken again when the first-degree murder charge was laid a few days later.

The concern is that if the lesser charges were to be dropped — although Leitch says he has no intention of doing that — Millard's fingerprints would no longer be on file.

His lawyer, Deepak Paradkar, told the court he expects to receive disclosure from the Crown within two or three weeks. However, Leitch said he expects it to happen next week.

On the courthouse steps, Paradkar said he doesn't know why his client's prints weren't taken "upon arrest or at one of his other court appearances."

He also said Millard has not been interviewed by Toronto homicide detectives in connection to his father or Babcock.

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/3839422-so-close-yet-so-far-from-answers-in-bosma-murder-case/

 

[Shaky pi]

BBM How do we know DM is not saying or has said a word to date? Just because there is nothing in the MSM, that means diddly squat. He has a single charge of murder at this time but that could be upped to two or three murders eventually; LB and WM. I have not seen anything yet to indicate DM's lawyer is smart. He's yapped his mouth off quite a bit to the MSM and most of what he has to say is just typical of all defense lawyers. Second BBM What family business? As far as I know the business was pretty much dissolved shortly after his father's death. Fifty year lease was cancelled, employees notified they no longer had jobs. DM had zip for interest in keeping the business going and was using the hangar for his questionable hobbies. MOO

IMHO Williams only confessed because he was caught obviously red handed. His boot prints matched those found at the crime scene and his tire tracks. Also he claimed he didn't want to put his wife through so much more trauma then necessary. Williams knew the evidence had his DNA on them (undergarments) and his computer with all the pictures, videos and pictures he took of his raped and murdered victims, he knew it was game over. There was way too much direct evidence pointing a finger at him.

Just some info covered in this link:
Release Procedures- Bail by Police, Judicial Release (Bail by Judge), Habeas Corpus
Election of Trial Method
The Preliminary Inquiry
Pre-Trial Conferences
Plea Bargaining

PRE-TRIAL PROCEDURES
Once a person has been arrested and charged, it is common for the person to be released before trial if the offence committed is minor in nature. There are two ways in which an individual can be released once charged, one method is by the police themselves and the second is by the court system.

If the arresting officer or the supervising officer believes regardless of the nature of the charge that the individual is unlikely to appear in court, flee the country, continue to pose public danger, or cannot positively identify the individual, then police bail can be denied.

The onus is on the crown to prove or show cause why the individual should not be released. If the crown cannot convince the court of reasons to continue detention, then the assumption is that the individual should be released.

There are a small number of serious indictable offences in which the onus is also on the accused to prove why they should not remain in custody such as in the case of murder.

http://chatt.hdsb.ca/~mossutom/law/Handouts/Unit 3-Handout-Pre Trial Procedures-Release.htm

i have to dissagree with you on D Ms lawyer , i believe quite smart actually ,, what has he yapped about really ,,,,said theres more to this case then public knows, said client adapting to jail, said getting visits and support from family and friends ,im pretty sure said case with fathers death and L B s dissapearance not really a concern at this point and time , said not recieved disclosure as of yet ... said his client pleading not guilty ....

Now for the bad thing he said that just might hurt his own bail hearing , he said theres more to this case then public knows ,, which tells me involved and what the public think they know is wrong.......

 

[swedie]

i have to dissagree with you on D Ms lawyer , i believe quite smart actually ,, what has he yapped about really ,,,,said theres more to this case then public knows, said client adapting to jail, said getting visits and support from family and friends ,im pretty sure said case with fathers death and L B s dissapearance not really a concern at this point and time , said not recieved disclosure as of yet ... said his client pleading not guilty ....

Now for the bad thing he said that just might hurt his own bail hearing , he said theres more to this case then public knows ,, which tells me involved and what the public think they know is wrong.......

No problem Shaki :seeya:. It is my opinion DP is not very smart. Just as it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. That's part of WS, we are all entitled to our opinions. In case you don't understand, that is why posters use the acronyms JMO=Just My Opinion, MOO=My Own Opinion, MHO=My Honest Opinion ect. Thank you for your points, interesting. In my post I said: He's yapped his mouth off quite a bit to the MSM and most of what he has to say is just typical of all defense lawyers. In MY opinion he should keep his mouth shut. I feel this way about all lawyers. IMO it's merely business soliciting. Lawyers don't owe the public any explanations regarding their clients. Things they say to the MSM could eventually backfire for their clients. I hope DM is ok with his lawyer is spewing out information. I would imagine DM is ok with the "he's innocent, wealthy, smart/well educated" stuff. lol

On the other hand, if it wasn't for the reports we would know much about these case until they went to trial. The reporters I'm ok with but lawyers yapping...IMO it's unnecessary.

 

[robynhood]

BBM that we or LE know of... how many times have we heard this phrase before?! All too many times IMO. Look how many serial killers lead what seemed like normal lives with no criminal record. Let me point out just a few; Paul B/Karla H, Russell W, Picton, John Wayne G, Jeffrey D and that's just a few. There may have been a criminal record from DM's teen years which he had been pardoned from or the files are sealed. Some people just get lucky enough to commit many crimes ranging from illegal drugs, drunk driving, speeding/dangerous driving, theft, rape, assault to murder before they are ever caught. I get the impression DM is an arrogant and lazy guy. He didn't seem to have the desire or ambition to make something out of a family business which was handed to him on a silver platter.

Respectfully you noted the judge will read all the papers and hear interviews, but most importantly the judge will have the evidence.

Confinement is simply put; holding anyone against their will. At some point in this crime TB was held against his will as his life ended in death. I am to believe TB did not die accidentally and that is why we are seeing a first degree murder charge. This makes me believe LE have some darn good evidence to apply that charge. MOO.

I cannot hold back any longer!...When I read DM lawyer say on another thread ...Let DM have a fair TRIAL...and it went on to say something like many cases look like the accuse is very guilty..( parphrasing here) ...and something like " let this play out in COURT".....IMO it rang bells in my head >>>>IMMEDIATELY thought of Tori and michael rafferty....and ya there was a gag order there from 2009-20013 ....IMO you cannot get more GUILTY THAN THAT case...again IMO..DM was seen getting into TB truck and never getting out and home...IMO again ...MAY THEY ROT IN prison..It is Father's Day and I cannot help but think of SHarlene Bosma with her 2 year old daughter....IMO I hope DM is doing some thinking...BUT I doubt it ...!...i hand to post today ...robynhood...RIP TB...and if sharlene reads this ..I want her to know my heart is broken for her...<3 ..robynhood:facepalm:

 

[MsSherlock]

I cannot hold back any longer!...When I read DM lawyer say on another thread ...Let DM have a fair TRIAL...and it went on to say something like many cases look like the accuse is very guilty..( parphrasing here) ...and something like " let this play out in COURT".....IMO it rang bells in my head >>>>IMMEDIATELY thought of Tori and michael rafferty....and ya there was a gag order there from 2009-20013 ....IMO you cannot get more GUILTY THAN THAT case...again IMO..DM was seen getting into TB truck and never getting out and home...IMO again ...MAY THEY ROT IN prison..It is Father's Day and I cannot help but think of SHarlene Bosma with her 2 year old daughter....IMO I hope DM is doing some thinking...BUT I doubt it ...!...i hand to post today ...robynhood...RIP TB...and if sharlene reads this ..I want her to know my heart is broken for her...<3 ..robynhood:facepalm:

Couldn't have said it better...thank you. RIP TB

 

[swedie]

I cannot hold back any longer!...When I read DM lawyer say on another thread ...Let DM have a fair TRIAL...and it went on to say something like many cases look like the accuse is very guilty..( parphrasing here) ...and something like " let this play out in COURT".....IMO it rang bells in my head >>>>IMMEDIATELY thought of Tori and michael rafferty....and ya there was a gag order there from 2009-20013 ....IMO you cannot get more GUILTY THAN THAT case...again IMO..DM was seen getting into TB truck and never getting out and home...IMO again ...MAY THEY ROT IN prison..It is Father's Day and I cannot help but think of SHarlene Bosma with her 2 year old daughter....IMO I hope DM is doing some thinking...BUT I doubt it ...!...i hand to post today ...robynhood...RIP TB...and if sharlene reads this ..I want her to know my heart is broken for her...<3 ..robynhood:facepalm:

:goodpost: Robyn. That's exactly the way defense lawyers talk. Mostly BS IMO. Wow I never even thought of that today. How SB and Tim's little girl will never be able to give her daddy hugs and kisses on Father's day or any other day for that matter. Very heartbreaking to think once she starts school and the little ones always make cards and things for Father's day to give to their daddies she will not have a daddy to make these special things for. Although some day SB might remarry, every special occasion will be very difficult for them. RIP Tim.

 

[puppyraiser]

Been following from the beginning and noted there isn't much information on DM other than the World Record flight at age 14. I didn't see anywhere that he finished high school or graduated and I find that surprising considering he was in a private school during his formative years and was described as intelligent. Classmates described him as not appearing to be in the same social class (being driven to school in old truck) and having odd habits (eating dog biscuits). No one has really come out and said they knew him during the years between age 18-25. Most of the online content we've seen through Facebook seems to be from 2011 and 2012 but not much (other than the stint as a photographer) has presented itself so far to us, yet LE says Social Media played a big part. Where was he, what was he doing, who were his friends during this time frame? Why does it seem his life is almost a blank slate until a couple of years ago?

 

[Sillybilly]

Why does it seem his life is almost a blank slate until a couple of years ago?

<rsbm>

I agree puppy .. that's been really bugging me. Maybe his life felt like a blank slate.

Not to sound sexist, but could be that in living with his dad, guys aren't that into organizing the big family celebrations and picture taking to record family history. Maybe life outside the traditional family circle, without the grandparents alive to hold the threads together, just became a day-to-day feeling of non-existence. Maybe thrills became the only thing that made him "feel" that he was alive.

 

[MsSherlock]

Been following from the beginning and noted there isn't much information on DM other than the World Record flight at age 14. I didn't see anywhere that he finished high school or graduated and I find that surprising considering he was in a private school during his formative years and was described as intelligent. Classmates described him as not appearing to be in the same social class (being driven to school in old truck) and having odd habits (eating dog biscuits). No one has really come out and said they knew him during the years between age 18-25. Most of the online content we've seen through Facebook seems to be from 2011 and 2012 but not much (other than the stint as a photographer) has presented itself so far to us, yet LE says Social Media played a big part. Where was he, what was he doing, who were his friends during this time frame? Why does it seem his life is almost a blank slate until a couple of years ago?

If I do my math correctly-DM would have turned 25 in 2010?? No? There's a good possibility that if DM inherited anything from his Grandparents that he wouldn't have access to it until his 25th birthday. That's when JS purchased a house in Oakville (2010)-2011 he bought the farm and a condo and all of a sudden he's travelling the world. IMHO, DM became a millionaire when he turned 25.
I'm not a shrink, but I think DM may have started down a path of resentment towards his father once he became in charge of the loot and realized the lifestyle it could buy him-feeling that his father had denied him prior. JMHO

 

[flipflop]

If I do my math correctly-DM would have turned 25 in 2010?? No? There's a good possibility that if DM inherited anything from his Grandparents that he wouldn't have access to it until his 25th birthday. That's when JS purchased a house in Oakville (2010)-2011 he bought the farm and a condo and all of a sudden he's travelling the world. IMHO, DM became a millionaire when he turned 25.
I'm not a shrink, but I think DM may have started down a path of resentment towards his father once he became in charge of the loot and realized the lifestyle it could buy him-feeling that his father had denied him prior. JMHO

You could be right about DM inheriting the loot at the age of 25, however, The DM account on FB was created in Nov of 2010 so we really have no idea whether he started buying and travelling the world then or if he had been doing it prior to this time.

 

[Poly Graph]

(my first post)

The one comment by DM's lawyer that really stands out for me is "Paradkar said his client is &#8220;remorseful&#8221; for Bosma&#8217;s death but maintains his innocence."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...harged-with-ontario-father-tim-bosmas-murder/

Definition of REMORSEFUL
: motivated or marked by remorse

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/remorseful

How can DP's client be both remorseful and innocent at the same time?

 

[newone]

(my first post)

The one comment by DM's lawyer that really stands out for me is "Paradkar said his client is “remorseful” for Bosma’s death but maintains his innocence."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...harged-with-ontario-father-tim-bosmas-murder/

Definition of REMORSEFUL
: motivated or marked by remorse

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/remorseful

How can DP's client be both remorseful and innocent at the same time?

I guess if you are claiming insanity or ''accidental'' death you ''could''

 

[Snoofo]

(my first post)

The one comment by DM's lawyer that really stands out for me is "Paradkar said his client is “remorseful” for Bosma’s death but maintains his innocence."

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/0...harged-with-ontario-father-tim-bosmas-murder/

Definition of REMORSEFUL
: motivated or marked by remorse

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/remorseful

How can DP's client be both remorseful and innocent at the same time?

Good point Poly Graph, and welcome!
My guess is that the defence is going with an angle of DM's innocence in the murder, his personal innocence in any plan to harm TB in any way, and that the remorse is that DM got himself involved with anyone who killed TB, planned or unplanned. I get this feeling because of the further comments from DP that DM felt used, taken advantage of. My impression from those initial comments is that DM is not denying involvement in the first and/or second test drive. I don't get a feeling either way as to whether he will admit to going along with some sort of carjacking scheme for the adventure but that is a stronger possibility when considering the remorse comment.

I can't wait to find out what happened. And I know there's a chance we'll never find out exactly what transpired that night, especially if LE can't put all the pieces together and if neither DM nor MS takes the stand. I wonder if I'll still be interested in a couple years when it goes to trial?

 

[Canadagurl]

How do we not know that there isn't another FB account out there?
I know many people that have more then one. Remember, his residence(s) were searched, we don't know what LE got from his computer!

 

[Snoofo]

How do we not know that there isn't another FB account out there?
I know many people that have more then one. Remember, his residence(s) were searched, we don't know what LE got from his computer!

We don't know. I'm sure there's a tonne we don't know.

 

[MsSherlock]

You could be right about DM inheriting the loot at the age of 25, however, The DM account on FB was created in Nov of 2010 so we really have no idea whether he started buying and travelling the world then or if he had been doing it prior to this time.

JMO, but he turned 25 in August. We see DM back in 2005 in the hangar at Pearson, but if I'm not mistaken CM was still alive back then. Grandpa may have always made sure DM had a buck or two in his pocket and a place to play. That may have changed when CM died and DM's inheritance was tied up, so he had to depend on Ma and Pa...he had vintage cars and old airplanes and an aging hangar and perhaps Ma and Pa weren't as generous as Gramp's was. That could explain a lot. MOO