SUSPECT IN CUSTODY MN - 2 Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses were shot by someone impersonating a police officer, JUNE 13,2025

  • #961
There is no federal domestic terrorism charge, there is only a terrorism sentencing enhancement provision.


I had the same question- if targeting a person due to political stance/ beliefs would be considered domestic terrorism or an even a federal hate crime.
Hate Crime also seems a stretch as that is targeting a person of a protected group- gender, race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, age etc.
A political party isn’t a federally protected group


IMO
 
  • #962
I think the confusion is the word ‘donor’.
Most would think of an organ donor as giving a living organ that is quickly transplanted to another living person.

If the person passes and the organs can’t be used for transplant their body can still be used for scientific research. It is pretty common for students to dissect human cadavers as part of anatomy/ physiology courses in college. I’ve done some of that myself- and I didn’t go to medical school.

Someone would remove the organs that would be used for dissection. The funeral home would be exactly the place- eyes would be removed after the body has been embalmed. I assume collected in batches then sent to a supplier.

Yeah pretty disgusting- unless you are a person who has had eye surgery and benefited from the knowledge gained. The thing of nightmares- but someone has to do it.

IMO
Just a note of clarification - that would only happen if the family authorized it. So it is still considered a donation.
 
  • #963

After he quit his job in the funeral industry, seems he went to the DRC for a few weeks, so his wife would have known. She may have even gone with him, although we don't know if she did or not.

Doesn’t necessarily mean she knew he quit, could have said he was given the time off. Trying to figure out if he really was still working at the other funeral home. Or just keeping up the appearance of such, so he could stay in the City at night.
 
  • #964
what??? organs are extracted by doctors/coroners in a hospital - not done at a funeral home!
is this really true??
That was my initial reaction as well, but thinking about it, if you die at home with no suspicious circumstances, then your body won't go anywhere near a hospital. It'll just be transported straight from where you died to the funeral home. Now, your organs will no longer be viable for donation after death in those circumstances, but your corneas (the bit of the eye that they're interested in) can be recovered up to 24 hours after death. From the link below -

"Donation does not need to take place immediately
You can donate your corneas up to 24 hours after you die and donation can take place after death in hospital, in hospices, or in funeral homes."


 
  • #965
That was my initial reaction as well, but thinking about it, if you die at home with no suspicious circumstances, then your body won't go anywhere near a hospital. It'll just be transported straight from where you died to the funeral home. Now, your organs will no longer be viable for donation after death in those circumstances, but your corneas (the bit of the eye that they're interested in) can be recovered up to 24 hours after death. From the link below -

"Donation does not need to take place immediately
You can donate your corneas up to 24 hours after you die and donation can take place after death in hospital, in hospices, or in funeral homes."



In the U.S., it is my understanding that although cornea donations may take place at these sites (hospitals, hospices, funeral homes) , the cornea retrieval is done by specially trained technicans from local eye banks and not the funeral home. The funeral home would make the arrangements with the local eye bank and the donor's family.
 
  • #966
I had the same question- if targeting a person due to political stance/ beliefs would be considered domestic terrorism or an even a federal hate crime.
Hate Crime also seems a stretch as that is targeting a person of a protected group- gender, race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, age etc.
A political party isn’t a federally protected group


IMO

I don’t understand why this isn’t being viewed as a sex–based crime. He targeted women and groups that provide care for women. He clearly felt compelled to take his extremist views out on women more than men, and anti–abortion violence is centered on misogynistic perspectives. This crime screams hatred towards women.
 
  • #967
  • #968

I find it absolutely wild to read an article about a man who put an extreme amount of effort and energy into murdering dozens and dozens of human beings who happened to disagree with him ideologically being described in such glowing terms. I can’t remember another terrorist, domestic or otherwise, being almost fawned over. This is a man who pumped over half a dozen bullets into innocent men and women, along with murdering their pets. He had no issue with planning and working out the cold blooded execution of anyone who didn’t agree with his warped religious values. He’s not a good man gone wrong: he is a hateful extremist.
 
  • #969
Interesting article, some good insights into VB and his manic, obsessive and impulsive behaviors over the years. It must have been quite a roller-coaster ride for his family, and tragically culminated in the violent and crazed political murders of two innocent public servants and their spouses.
 
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  • #970
I find it absolutely wild to read an article about a man who put an extreme amount of effort and energy into murdering dozens and dozens of human beings who happened to disagree with him ideologically being described in such glowing terms. I can’t remember another terrorist, domestic or otherwise, being almost fawned over. This is a man who pumped over half a dozen bullets into innocent men and women, along with murdering their pets. He had no issue with planning and working out the cold blooded execution of anyone who didn’t agree with his warped religious values. He’s not a good man gone wrong: he is a hateful extremist.

This. ^^^
 
  • #971
I find it absolutely wild to read an article about a man who put an extreme amount of effort and energy into murdering dozens and dozens of human beings who happened to disagree with him ideologically being described in such glowing terms. I can’t remember another terrorist, domestic or otherwise, being almost fawned over. This is a man who pumped over half a dozen bullets into innocent men and women, along with murdering their pets. He had no issue with planning and working out the cold blooded execution of anyone who didn’t agree with his warped religious values. He’s not a good man gone wrong: he is a hateful extremist.
It seems recently media is afraid to call out crazy. We see it every day.
 
  • #972
what??? organs are extracted by doctors/coroners in a hospital - not done at a funeral home!
is this really true??
My daughter just completed her senior shadow project at a local funeral home. She said it was routine to find a bag of organs inside a body (if an autopsy was done). So perhaps this guy was dealing with these organs.
 
  • #973
Brooklyn Park police confirm there was a break-in at the Hortman home last night.

Investigators believe the suspect pried off plywood from the back of the home to get in. They didn’t take anything.

 
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  • #974
Brooklyn Park police confirm there was a break-in at the Hortman home last

Investigators believe the suspect pried off plywood from the back of the home to get in. They didn’t take anything.

This happened recently , just to make sure that the proper information is posted
 
  • #975
  • #976
What the heck? Are there any other cases to reference where a crime scene has been broken into like that after the fact? Why would someone do that? Are they sure it wasn't some kind of miscommunication with a LE agency, seeing as there are multiple agencies likely working round the clock on this? Is someone (not LE obviously) looking to plant or destroy evidence?
 
  • #977
What the heck? Are there any other cases to reference where a crime scene has been broken into like that after the fact? Why would someone do that? Are they sure it wasn't some kind of miscommunication with a LE agency, seeing as there are multiple agencies likely working round the clock on this? Is someone (not LE obviously) looking to plant or destroy evidence?
1. Murder ghouls are a thing - there's a good reason the Moscow house was guarded 24/7 until it was demolished. People break into homes where there have been murders, take stuff as souvenirs, film and photograph the scene and put them up online.

2. People break into homes they know are vacant to steal or vandalise, and the murder of the occupants means the house would be vacant. It's just common sense opportunism.

Both the above seem more likely to me than someone planting or destroying evidence, since the suspect is in custody. Different branches of LE not knowing what each other is doing is always possible, but I don't see them breaking in.

MOO
 
  • #978
"So I just want to let you know that I love you guys both, and wish it hadn't gone this way.
He is the one holding the firearms and carrying out the attacks. If he didn’t want things to go this way all he has to do is stop. He doesn’t need to make a wish. He needs to take responsibility of his actions since he is the one in control of them.

“There are going to be people coming to the house armed and trigger happy…”

So then are these “people” not unlike himself? Is he not being at least somewhat of a hypocrite by accusing others responding too quick, being too irresponsible or impulsive when using a gun after all the nonsensical death, damage, violence and harm he caused with his own arsenal? Or did he forget he just used his own guns to attack and kill unarmed families who had children and pets with them? He shot at his victims’ doors, barged into their homes and wildly sprayed bullets at them. He shot Senator Hoffman 9 times alone and then his wife 8. Mrs. Hoffman had to shield her daughter with her own person because this villain, IMO, didn’t care who else his bullets struck even if they were the defenseless and scared sons, daughters, spouse or family pets of his targets but not the target themselves. He viewed them as disposable or himself just as entitled to taking their lives as he was when he killed targets as well.

MOO, but there is an irony in that he does not want his actions to result in his own loved ones suffering the same harm and terror he inflicted on his victims even though he gave no such thought or concern to his targets’ family members considering the fact that he still intended to carry out the assassinations public figures in their own homes even if they who had children, spouses and relatives who lived with them. He killed Mark Hortman and Mrs. Hoffman had to shield her daughter’s body with her own to keep the bullets from hurting her. Was his mercy or thought to spare or minimize harm to his target’s family then? Nonexistent. Yet when it comes to being out of control and too triggit is the police he accused of being too trigger happy
Utter coward.
Agreed.

Dad went to war last night”

No, he went on a killing spree. He brutally ended the lives of Senator Hortman, her husband Mark and their family’s dog Gilbert and would have heinously taken three more if it weren’t for the fast-thinking responding officers, a husband and wife both trying to block the front door and a mother’s willingness to sacrifice her life to protect that of her daughter’s.

He wasn’t on the battlefield. 2 opposing sides did not agree to meet and fight, and possibly even die, in the name of ideology, victory or the utter defeat of challengers. Rather, Boelter use his disguise as a police officer to trick and break into the homes of unsuspecting politicians and their family members with the intent of slaughtering them for daring to have political and social values different for his own. That isn’t war. That’s assassination and, IMO, domestic terrorism and/or a hate crime.

He deserves no medal of valor in this life or the next one. What he deserves is to face his victims and their loved ones as he is held accountable to them under the court of law and is justly punished for all he has done to the Hoffmans, Hortmans, the responding and investigating members of law enforcement whose lives were also put on the line as he showed the willingness to also aim and shoot at them, those he stalked and whose homes he also visited in his attempt to further execute his kill list and the multiple impacted communities and cities within the state of Minnesota.
 
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  • #979

Interesting insights in this article, answers some of my questions. Equally interesting is a breakdown of the roommates interview by Scott Rouse - another poster clued me in. Look him up if interested.

I’m a little confused on whether Boelter is going to be prosecuted only in Federal Court and why. Can someone explain how this is going to move forward please?
 
  • #980

Interesting insights in this article, answers some of my questions. Equally interesting is a breakdown of the roommates interview by Scott Rouse - another poster clued me in. Look him up if interested.

I’m a little confused on whether Boelter is going to be prosecuted only in Federal Court and why. Can someone explain how this is going to move forward please?
This confuses me, too.

Usually, murders and attempted murders get prosecuted at the state level, even if the motive appears to be national policy.

I hate to be the 20th person to bring up the alleged murderer of a CEO, but the comparison is apt.

MOO
 

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