Syringe in bottle contained traces of chloroform

[truckengirl]

Casey has yet to be placed where Caylee's remains were found. There's no report that they found Casey's fingerprints or DNA on the syringe. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought the syringe or had possession of it. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought chloroform.

Moreover, other chemicals were also found to have been in the syringe. Many off-the-shelf products contain chlorofrm in a mixture with other chemicals. Furthermore, there no evidence that Caylee died from chloroform in a pure state or in mixture with other chemicals.

Who did they determine to be the owner of the testosterone?

This is yet more evidence that works for the defense.

IMHO, this evidence buries KC and her defense. It all ties to KC, she's done.

 

[Imbackon]

Or how about injecting a freezer pop w/it before freezing?

I don't think eating it is the answer.
Seems to me you would need more.
Injecting seems like it would be a quicker death as well, and there is no reason to believe she would not want this over quickly and more assuredly (spell?).

 

[lizzysf]

Casey has yet to be placed where Caylee's remains were found. There's no report that they found Casey's fingerprints or DNA on the syringe. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought the syringe or had possession of it. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought chloroform.

Moreover, other chemicals were also found to have been in the syringe. Many off-the-shelf products contain chlorofrm in a mixture with other chemicals. Furthermore, there no evidence that Caylee died from chloroform in a pure state or in mixture with other chemicals.

Who did they determine to be the owner of the testosterone?

This is yet more evidence that works for the defense.

If you imported a jury from the outerbanks of Antartica who never even heard the name Casey Anthony.. this would be wrapped up in a week with all the "circumstantial" evidence that exists alone. The proven fact that there was a dead body in the car......31 days...yada yada.. Who needs the UNREQUIRED smoking gun?
Guilty as charged, my friend.

 

[eaglemom]

I know of no evidence that proves anyone other than Casey was the last one seen with Caylee. I know of no evidence that proves anyone other than Casey was driving the Pontiac in which a decomposing human was in the trunk. I know of no evidence that proves anyone other than Casey searched for "how to make chloroform" on the family computer. I know of no evidence that proves anyone other than Casey knew Caylee was missing for 31 days before reported to authorities.

Not only that the State has done and admirable job of showing that the main caregivers for Caylee in the last year have been KC and Cindy......

 

[indicat]

I don't think eating it is the answer.
Seems to me you would need more.
Injecting seems like it would be a quicker death as well, and there is no reason to believe she would not want this over quickly and more assuredly (spell?).

I believe she injected it also. It would be easy, injecting is not that hard, I have to do it all the time to myself with my meds. Plus you always have to think the easiest way with KC, she is not that complicated.

 

[Snaz]

Yes medical person here too...I know that many med professionals keep supplies around and it would seem, to me, very logical that she got it from the nurse in the house.

I am not in the medical field, but years ago I used to give myself B12 shots... and I have quite a few syringes left.... I think there is a plethora of explanations as to why KC would/could have had access to a syringe, used or otherwise.

 

[robotdog]

Or how about injecting a freezer pop w/it before freezing?

shaking head YES

 

[lizzysf]

I have not had a chance to read this whole thread yet, so I apologize if this has already been addressed.

Since the syringe was found inside the Gatorade bottle, could any fingerprints on the syringe have been preserved, or would the chloroform inside the bottle have destroyed those, assuming they did exist?

TIA!

Ethanol is a solvent...I would imagine everything would be degraded.. I had pondered that earlier too... preserved or degraded... I think the answer is degraded.

 

[MsRyber]

You can not be serious !

I think poster was referring to the fact that the defense theoretically can use this evidence (other than the bugs) in their favour, since, really, that is the ONLY link not there by science (her DNA anywhere at the crime scene). She will be convicted without it, but remember folks, stranger things have happened and we don't want this chick getting off due to one missing link.

There is more than enough evidence to convict...BUT the death penalty? That is the one I am thinking they will want that absolute LINK.

I wish 31 days was all the link they needed.

And let's all remember, Scott P (I know, California, but still) was convicted with what I think is less evidence...but there was that pesky hair on his pliers.

 

[ThoughtElf]

If KC used cloth of some kind, I can't think of why she'd need the syringe.

I think she injected, similar to squirting into a child's mouth with an oral meds dispenser, with the needle going right through the duct tape into Caylee's mouth, so that Caylee drowned/choked/was overcome by the chloroform.

If she had everything ready (as I believe she did), she could just put Caylee on the floor on her Pooh blanket, sit on her chest, tape, tape, tape, inject/squirt, wrap Caylee in Pooh blanket, throw her in the trunk.

Little to no struggling from Caylee that way, and she didn't even have to watch Caylee's death throws. Right off to her bf's and an evening of movies and sex - just like she wanted.

For the first time, all the puzzle pieces feel like they're falling into place into something solid. We're sooooo close to knowing Caylee's story.

That is also very solidly proving premediation.

Caylee's still whispering and we're listening. The science is, too.

 

[Curious Me]

Snipped for space
Now I'm wondering if there isn't a simple innocent explanation for this. Weird to keep it in a gatorade bottle though.

Okay, I want to hear the simple innocent explanation. This concoction was found with the remains. I am completely shocked that it was a needle type syringe, and the contents of the bottle revealed choloform. It is pretty "simple" - Casey had this rig ready to use on innocent Caylee, and that kind of evil is horrifying.

 

[Curious Me]

Just had an awful thought, hope JG was not using testosterone for anything and she pinched a syringe when she used his shower.

I think, the shower at JG's was after Caylee was dead and laying out in those woods.

 

[cleo612]

I am only on page 2 so I don't know if this has been answered yet.

I know for a fact that you can walk into a pharmacy and request a single syringe (packaged the same as what appears in the photos here).

I use a medication for migraines. My medication comes in a syringe, but is not a syringe packaged with a needle. I have to purchase a regular syringe, twist off the needle and then reattach the needle to my medication syringe. All I do is tell the pharmacy clerk what size syringe/needle I need and I can purchase it--no prescription required. They cost between $0.15-$0.45 at WallyWorld.

 

[autumnlover]

Okay, I want to hear the simple innocent explanation. This concoction was found with the remains. I am completely shocked that it was a needle type syringe, and the contents of the bottle revealed choloform. It is pretty "simple" - Casey had this rig ready to use on innocent Caylee, and that kind of evil is horrifying.

Ditto, ditto, ditto. This speaks of solid premeditation and an agonizing death for Caylee. I just can't wrap my mind around it. The planning that went into this is mind-boggling.

 

[RubyB]

I don't think eating it is the answer.
Seems to me you would need more.
Injecting seems like it would be a quicker death as well, and there is no reason to believe she would not want this over quickly and more assuredly (spell?).

No, you're right. I was more so responding to the conversation about injecting edibles, as the freezer pops were apparently popular in the A's household.


I'm more comfortable with a scenario where KC knocks Caylee out w/chloroform and then covers her airways w/duct tape. I don't think there was any injecting going on, but maybe drawing up the liquid w/the syringe instead.

 

[christee]

If I'm reading the report right no blood was found on the plunger or needle

 

[Wudge]

If you imported a jury from the outerbanks of Antartica who never even heard the name Casey Anthony.. this would be wrapped up in a week with all the "circumstantial" evidence that exists alone. The proven fact that there was a dead body in the car......31 days...yada yada.. Who needs the UNREQUIRED smoking gun?
Guilty as charged, my friend.

I'm reminded of Cynthia Sommer's trial for the murder of her husband, Todd Sommer. Every crime forum had her using arsenic to murder Todd even though there was no physical evidence that she ever bought or even touched arsenic.

 

[ThoughtElf]

Really trying to figure this out, (thinking as the Defense would, Thanks to Wudge) Did the Disney bag belong to KC? Where was the Gatorade bottle? Is it possible it was just part of trash dumped in the area?

The Defense will shoot this down in no time, unless directly tied to KC.

I see it differently. The defense will try to shoot it down, but the totality of the evidence is over-whelming. I don't have my calculator handy, to calculate the odds, but by applying a simple common-sense formula to the problem there is just little likelihood that a person other than an Anthony commited this crime. Trunk, pooh blanket, cadaver dog hits, computer searches, cleaning fluids in trunk, proximity to Caylee's remains... the list is becoming endless. At best, they may use this as further fodder to get the bus revved up and ready for the SOADI. (Some Other Anthony Did It)

We've heard additional damning evidence just today. Who knows what further testing results we may yet see? We don't know if fingerprints were lifted from the bottle, bag or syringe.

We know much more today, but we still don't know nearly as much as the State does, but we keep learning more. And I find that very encouraging.

I think the State takes this very seriously, and does not consider it coincidental 'trash dumped in the area.' I think they have worked very, very hard to ties up the lose ends that prove Casey Anthony dumped Caylee like trash in the area.

And I think the State is as outraged and offended by that as we are. LDB & team are not going to have a problem quashing piece-meal circle arguments, IMO.

 

[whatgivesq]

Reality check:

Is it wrong to be dancing around, singing, "Someone's never getting ou-out?"

Just need to know.

:dance:

I'm cool with that.

 

[Tulessa]

Casey has yet to be placed where Caylee's remains were found. There's no report that they found Casey's fingerprints or DNA on the syringe. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought the syringe or had possession of it. I know of no evidence that proves Casey bought chloroform.

Moreover, other chemicals were also found to have been in the syringe. Many off-the-shelf products contain chlorofrm in a mixture with other chemicals. Furthermore, there no evidence that Caylee died from chloroform in a pure state or in mixture with other chemicals.

Who did they determine to be the owner of the testosterone?

This is yet more evidence that works for the defense.

31 days. Two simple words.