Tal, Oren and Alon Alexander-Brothers at Head of Luxury Real Estate Empire Accused of Drugging, Sexually Assaulting Women-Dec-24

[Chelly]

Judge Caproni said the three men were expected to be brought to Manhattan next week, and that they would make their first court appearances before her on Jan. 29.

New York Judge Deems Alexander Brothers Flight Risk, Denies Bail

Oren, Tal and Alon Alexander will be extradited from Miami to New York, where they will remain in federal detention until trial.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Chelly]

The match ended in a draw.

@Dotta. You are correct. Always enjoy being on thread with you.

 

[Charlot123]

Am I the only one thinking that the time has come to legalize and regulate what is now called SW business? We have these scandals on one side, and on the other, there are horrible victims of LISK. So much of it stems from illegality of the whole area. I never thought I’d type this, but since it is a business that is not going to disappear, and yet there are no contracts regulating it, plus, so much is bartered, probably contributing into the drug epidemic, the public has to read about the details to understand what “no consent” means.

With these guys, I can already see why and where it is not what’s called consent. Girls 17 or such, buying them alcohol, taking them to a hotel afterwards, the accused men are up to their necks in it. Filming someone without their consent, gang raping…too much of all.

And the whole court will be the prosecution and the lawyers fighting over, essentially, where consent starts or ends.

I think there will be more cases to come. The whole business is predatorial. I just think that once upon a time, we have to acknowledge that the area exists. In its current form, it all verges on being criminal. It is unregulated, might involve minors and probably contributes into spread of drugs. Not to add that all is untaxed.

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Also, thinking of the victims from the humane side. They are, probably, young. How many years and therapy will it take for them to deal with the consequences.

 

[Dotta]

"Alexander Brothers, Sex Trafficking Case Documentary in the Works at Rakontur.​

Award-winning director Billy Corben
says work has started on
'Delisted: The Alexander Brothers'.

'We'll explore Miami's exclusive cutthroat world of luxury realtors,
the history of the Alexander family and the earliest accusations against them,
which reportedly date back to their time at Krop High School',
the filmmaker added in the social media post."

Alexander Brothers, Sex Trafficking Case Documentary in the Works at Rakontur

Award-winning director Billy Corben says work has started on 'Delisted: The Alexander Brothers,' about two Miami luxury realtors and their brother who have been indicted on sex-trafficking charges.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

 

[Charlot123]

"Alexander Brothers, Sex Trafficking Case Documentary in the Works at Rakontur.​

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Award-winning director Billy Corben
says work has started on
'Delisted: The Alexander Brothers'.

'We'll explore Miami's exclusive cutthroat world of luxury realtors,
the history of the Alexander family and the earliest accusations against them,
which reportedly date back to their time at Krop High School',
the filmmaker added in the social media post."

Alexander Brothers, Sex Trafficking Case Documentary in the Works at Rakontur

Award-winning director Billy Corben says work has started on 'Delisted: The Alexander Brothers,' about two Miami luxury realtors and their brother who have been indicted on sex-trafficking charges.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

How did they graduate from colleges? It is obvious that the business was their parents’ creation. But did they hire people to write their essays?

 

[Dotta]

"Now,
the Alexander brothers
are believed to have been traveling by corrections department bus
from Miami to New York,
where they are likely to face time at the notorious Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn
while they await their day in court.

'It’s the worst trip of their lives.
It’s the most horrifying thing ever'."

Oh dear...

"Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way
La-la-la-da-da-da
La-la-la-da-da-da
Da-da-da-da, la-da-da-da-da...."

From Miami to misery: The Alexander brothers fall from grace intensifies as sex assault claims mount against real estate rock stars

“The reason they’re not getting bond federally is because of the times we’re living in. They’re being treated unfairly,” one of their lawyers told The Post.

nypost.com

 

[stg]

"Now,
the Alexander brothers
are believed to have been traveling by corrections department bus
from Miami to New York,
where they are likely to face time at the notorious Metropolitan Detention Center in Brooklyn
while they await their day in court.

'It’s the worst trip of their lives.
It’s the most horrifying thing ever'."

Oh dear...

View attachment 558828

"Those were the days, my friend
We thought they'd never end
We'd sing and dance forever and a day
We'd live the life we choose
We'd fight and never lose
For we were young and sure to have our way
La-la-la-da-da-da
La-la-la-da-da-da
Da-da-da-da, la-da-da-da-da...."

From Miami to misery: The Alexander brothers fall from grace intensifies as sex assault claims mount against real estate rock stars

“The reason they’re not getting bond federally is because of the times we’re living in. They’re being treated unfairly,” one of their lawyers told The Post.

nypost.com

Not nearly as horrifying as what their victims went through. Cowards. They will not be received well in prison.

 

[Dotta]

"Marriage blow for 'gang rapist' playboy realtor ​

who 'shared victims with his brothers'.​

Shamed realtor Tal Alexander's wife has filed for divorce.
Arielle K. has filed for divorce after less than two years of marriage
and not long after the birth of their first child.

'I will continue to provide my young baby with love and support as I leave my husband',
Arielle said via her attorney.

'This commitment to my child's best interests and well-being
will remain my highest priority'."

Tal Alexander's wife files for divorce

Arielle Alexander has filed for divorce from Tal Alexander after less after less than two years of marriage.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

 

[Dotta]

"A lawsuit filed in New York
claiming that real estate moguls Tal, Oren and Alon Alexander raped a woman
was tossed out by a federal judge on Wednesday,
court documents said.

U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan of the Southern District of New York
ruled the rape accusation by Angelica Parker against the brothers
would have taken place too long ago,
falling outside of the state's statutes of limitations.

For this civil lawsuit to move forward,
the rape would have had to happen after June 18, 2017,
the judge wrote."

Federal judge tosses lawsuit filed in New York accusing Alexander brothers of rape

The judge ruled the rape accusation against the brothers would have taken place too long ago, falling outside of the state's statutes of limitations.

www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

"A federal judge found that a woman’s claim against Alon, Oren and Tal Alexander did not meet a filing deadline.

Other lawsuits and the criminal cases against them are continuing."

Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Against Brothers Accused of Sexual Assault

A federal judge found that a woman’s claim against Alon, Oren and Tal Alexander did not meet a filing deadline. Other lawsuits and the criminal cases against them are continuing.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Bigditch]

"A lawsuit filed in New York
claiming that real estate moguls Tal, Oren and Alon Alexander raped a woman
was tossed out by a federal judge on Wednesday,
court documents said.

U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan of the Southern District of New York
ruled the rape accusation by Angelica Parker against the brothers
would have taken place too long ago,
falling outside of the state's statutes of limitations.

For this civil lawsuit to move forward,
the rape would have had to happen after June 18, 2017,
the judge wrote."

Federal judge tosses lawsuit filed in New York accusing Alexander brothers of rape

The judge ruled the rape accusation against the brothers would have taken place too long ago, falling outside of the state's statutes of limitations.

www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

"A federal judge found that a woman’s claim against Alon, Oren and Tal Alexander did not meet a filing deadline.

Other lawsuits and the criminal cases against them are continuing."

Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Against Brothers Accused of Sexual Assault

A federal judge found that a woman’s claim against Alon, Oren and Tal Alexander did not meet a filing deadline. Other lawsuits and the criminal cases against them are continuing.

www.nytimes.com

BS

 

[Marysmith]

"Marriage blow for 'gang rapist' playboy realtor ​

who 'shared victims with his brothers'.​

View attachment 559933

Shamed realtor Tal Alexander's wife has filed for divorce.
Arielle K. has filed for divorce after less than two years of marriage
and not long after the birth of their first child.

'I will continue to provide my young baby with love and support as I leave my husband',
Arielle said via her attorney.

'This commitment to my child's best interests and well-being
will remain my highest priority'."

Tal Alexander's wife files for divorce

Arielle Alexander has filed for divorce from Tal Alexander after less after less than two years of marriage.

www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org

Good for her. I wish her and her baby all the best!!

 

[Charlot123]

"A lawsuit filed in New York
claiming that real estate moguls Tal, Oren and Alon Alexander raped a woman
was tossed out by a federal judge on Wednesday,
court documents said.

U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan of the Southern District of New York
ruled the rape accusation by Angelica Parker against the brothers
would have taken place too long ago,
falling outside of the state's statutes of limitations.

For this civil lawsuit to move forward,
the rape would have had to happen after June 18, 2017,
the judge wrote."

Federal judge tosses lawsuit filed in New York accusing Alexander brothers of rape

The judge ruled the rape accusation against the brothers would have taken place too long ago, falling outside of the state's statutes of limitations.

www-cbsnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org

"A federal judge found that a woman’s claim against Alon, Oren and Tal Alexander did not meet a filing deadline.

Other lawsuits and the criminal cases against them are continuing."

Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Against Brothers Accused of Sexual Assault

A federal judge found that a woman’s claim against Alon, Oren and Tal Alexander did not meet a filing deadline. Other lawsuits and the criminal cases against them are continuing.

www.nytimes.com

Wait, we have a statute of limitations on rape?

The Current Statute of Limitations for Sexual Assault in New York

What is the statute of limitations for sexual assault in New York? Learn about the most recent laws passed to bring perpetrators to justice.

www.rheingoldlaw.com

https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/us/new-york-law-rape-statute-of-limitations-extended/index.html

What if the woman was younger than 18?

 

[Izzylizzy]

Paywall, anyone?

'Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Against Brothers Accused of Sexual Assault'​

'A federal judge found that a woman’s claim against Alon, Oren and Tal Alexander did not meet a filing deadline. Other lawsuits and the criminal cases against them are continuing.'


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[Izzylizzy]

"One of several civil lawsuits filed in New York claiming that two brothers considered titans in the luxury real estate industry raped a woman as a third brother watched, was tossed by a federal judge Wednesday. U.S. District Judge Lewis A. Kaplan of the Southern District of New York ruled the rape accusation by Angelica Parker against two of the three Alexander brothers would have taken place too long ago and falls outside of the state’s statute of limitations. For the lawsuit to move forward, the judge said, the rape would have had to occur after June 18, 2017.'

Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article299007735.html#storylink=cpy

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/crime/article299007735.html

 

[Sor Juana]

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The A. brothers probably thought that their wealth and status would shield them from any consequences. The thing is, that what they did is, unfortunately, not uncommon. In fact, it is so common that they couldn't believe they, of all people, could be arrested. JMO

 

[Sor Juana]

How did they graduate from colleges? It is obvious that the business was their parents’ creation. But did they hire people to write their essays?

Where are the Alexander brothers from? It's possible their family financed their studies.
I believe they had the intellect to complete a bachelor's degree, which is quite commendable. Joining the family business is not uncommon. And their combination of degrees makes them a perfect trio for all kinds of ... business.

 

[Charlot123]

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The A. brothers probably thought that their wealth and status would shield them from any consequences. The thing is, that what they did is, unfortunately, not uncommon. In fact, it is so common that they couldn't believe they, of all people, could be arrested. JMO

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Back to A. brothers. Let us move away from obviously criminal cases (minors, spiking drinks), and deal only with adult women who monetize their services. A couple of posts here, later removed, were along the lines of, these women knew why they came to the parties, what’s the problem now? It put me on another trail. If we had certain regulation of sexual “services”, the women whose cases may not be valid because it happened before 2017, might have still been able to sue the brothers, if not for the rape, then for the breach of contract. After all, when the As sell houses, they are protected by the contracts. Their marriages are contracts. Security company is contracted. But the women whom the brothers abused are not legally protected. If they were, maybe A.P. could still have a case because who knows the statute of limitations on the violation of contracts in the state of NY?

Any service is a contract. We all respond to the brothers’ situation from the standpoint of its moral ugliness. (But this might be the biggest pitfall of the case; emotions wax and wane.) But if the twin brothers switch places unbeknownst to women, isn’t it a violation of a certain contract? What woman would consent to the “train” activity? What if the brothers videotape their encounters with the women without any consent? When they initiate sexual encounters with women who are inebriated to such a degree that their consent means nothing, is it even legal?

Basically, in some lawsuits the brothers are accused of being “violent” during encounters, and sadly, one can imagine how it proceeded. That’s where the contract could help. If one is afraid of even putting what he plans to do on paper, maybe it should hold him. Also, the irony, verbal consent expressed on videocamera could be legally binding - but of course, not if a woman’s speech is slurred and she doesn’t understand where and who she is with.

The A brothers are sued for violating the law. The illegality of SW makes such violations more possible. JMO.

 

[tarabull]

Alexander Brothers Are in Same N.Y.C. Jail as Diddy and Luigi Mangione

The brothers are being held in federal custody in Brooklyn.

people.com

 

[Marysmith]

<modsnip - off topic>

Back to A. brothers. Let us move away from obviously criminal cases (minors, spiking drinks), and deal only with adult women who monetize their services. A couple of posts here, later removed, were along the lines of, these women knew why they came to the parties, what’s the problem now? It put me on another trail. If we had certain regulation of sexual “services”, the women whose cases may not be valid because it happened before 2017, might have still been able to sue the brothers, if not for the rape, then for the breach of contract. After all, when the As sell houses, they are protected by the contracts. Their marriages are contracts. Security company is contracted. But the women whom the brothers abused are not legally protected. If they were, maybe A.P. could still have a case because who knows the statute of limitations on the violation of contracts in the state of NY?

Any service is a contract. We all respond to the brothers’ situation from the standpoint of its moral ugliness. (But this might be the biggest pitfall of the case; emotions wax and wane.) But if the twin brothers switch places unbeknownst to women, isn’t it a violation of a certain contract? What woman would consent to the “train” activity? What if the brothers videotape their encounters with the women without any consent? When they initiate sexual encounters with women who are inebriated to such a degree that their consent means nothing, is it even legal?

Basically, in some lawsuits the brothers are accused of being “violent” during encounters, and sadly, one can imagine how it proceeded. That’s where the contract could help. If one is afraid of even putting what he plans to do on paper, maybe it should hold him. Also, the irony, verbal consent expressed on videocamera could be legally binding - but of course, not if a woman’s speech is slurred and she doesn’t understand where and who she is with.

The A brothers are sued for violating the law. The illegality of SW makes such violations more possible. JMO.

I think i understand where you are going with this but i think the problem is that criminals don't follow the law, lol... IMO I don't think the accused would have stopped if a contract would have been the law. They wouldn't have done up a contract then because these weren't contractual situations, were they?
Is there any evidence of any contract between any of the victims and the accused?

 

[Charlot123]

I think i understand where you are going with this but i think the problem is that criminals don't follow the law, lol... IMO I don't think the accused would have stopped if a contract would have been the law. They wouldn't have done up a contract then because these weren't contractual situations, were they?
Is there any evidence of any contract between any of the victims and the accused?

Criminals don't follow the law, but any service is a contract. I am sure that 17-year-olds for whom the brothers bought wine and then brought to their lair are a criminal case. Or the female colleagues who are suing the As have the case. Or women who merely expected to have a pleasant date and instead got violated. But the ones who are lumped under "trafficking" are on the mercy of the state of New York's statute of limitation for rape. IMHO, the nature of their job shouldn't matter; maltreatment is maltreatment, and threats are threats.

But you are right; breaking a contract has even a shorter statute of limitations so even from this standpoint it can't be used.

Interesting precedents came to mind, though, such as the first of Joan Barry's lawsuits against Charles Chaplin (before the paternity one). I understand the accusation equals to what would be called "trafficking" today.

Of a more recent time, there was a known lawsuit for breaking a promise to marry. There was no paper contracts or texts to confirm, just gifts, but perhaps a settlement would have been possible if other things didn't happen.