Tampering Investigation Who? What? When? Where? We already know why!

[nums24]

So ... AL, true to her principles to walk away from a lost cause ... just in time left JB to become entrapped and ride the sinking ship all the way to the sea floor ... as did ToddM, LKB, and all of the others. Timing is everything.

CM steps into the fray and see what he can do to salvage this or at least have some 'fun' along the way playing with it, the Courts and, the media.

Enduring Notoriety a la OJ.

BBM - Speaking of OJ, do we know how long private investigator Patrick Mckenna stayed on, is he still with the defense?

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/12/16/emergency.motion.to.compel.pdf

SOTS - Do you think this could be the Pat LB referenced giving her S.S. # in the transcripts? The timing would fit.

 

[cyberborg]

One reason is that we tend to treat friendly witnesses like cheap dates. We woo them into giving us what we want (statements, affidavits, ext), and when we get what we want they do not hear from us anymore until we need them again. It is during that period of time that the most damage occurs to that witness. They tell friends and family members and sometimes the prosecution that they spoke to a defense investigator and gave him/her a statement.

Using the tape or transcript of a tape recorded interview is one of the easiest ways to break the tie between the testimony of two equally believable people. When your investigator’s version differs from the witnesses version (of what was said during an interview) and both the investigator and the witness are equally believable, the tape is the easiest way to break the tie and determine who said what. But, if the witness refused to be taped and all you have are your investigator’s notes, do not give up hope.

Joe Jordan refused to allow Mort to tape their discussion!!!!

From a link in the Mort thread.

Isn't that the whole point of Legal Depositions, to get a statement on the record that is done completely correctly and above board ... not covertly.

I can understand JJ's fear since a PI's taping can be selectively edited to suit based on his script ... absent full context. There are no checks and balances and we know this PI was being creative.

 

[strach304]

BBM

He is also going to be lucky IF he doesn't spend time in his OWN jail cell, IMO.

At the expense of the Florida tax payers. Think he'll file for indigence and use a public defender?

 

[beach]

I want to know soooo bad why and what stuff JB wanted BC to collect from Casey's room. It has to be some form of evidence and LE took pics so they may notice something important missing.

I also want to know who the other people are that JB asked BC to look for in the TES records.

I think the answers to these two questions would give us better insight as to what JB is up to.

BBM

I wish LE would have asked him specifically about the diary BC was holding in custody as an officer of the court. Did JB specifically request the diary when asking for the items???

Do we know when...what date...he finally surrendered the diary to LE or the SA?

 

[Aedrys]

At the expense of the Florida tax payers. Think he'll file for indigence and use a public defender?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

OMG that would be the ULTIMATE IRONY!!!!

 

[strach304]

Who is in actual possession of the 'Joe Jordan tape' that no one has listened to?

According to BC transcript LE did listen to it. The defense tried to get that and LDB filed a motion to keep it sealed. It was granted because it was illegally obtained.

 

[sleutherontheside]

BBM - Speaking of OJ, do we know how long private investigator Patrick Mckenna stayed on, is he still with the defense?

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/12/16/emergency.motion.to.compel.pdf

SOTS - Do you think this could be the Pat LB referenced giving her S.S. # in the transcripts? The timing would fit.

I think Pat was in Ray Brown's office. His secretary's name is Pat.

 

[Gnatcatcher]

I have to say thank you a zillion times to everybody on this site for all your smarts and hard work and insight and knowledge and passion. As a layperson, of everything really, I have a very hard time understanding implications of things, I'm one of those that need things outlined in easy terms with bullets, followed by "in other words, it's like this..." in order to understand most of it. I hope I'm not alone in this, I would hope that there are thousands of WS readers who don't register, or maybe register but don't post for fear of sounding inferior. Well, I know I"m inferior, so I"ll be the one to stand up and say I'm just not sure I get what's going on here. I am so confused about all of this.

I guess my biggest point of confusion is ... why oh why oh why would Baez be doing ANY of this to begin with? I mean, is Casey THAT good looking? Was $275K THAT much money to him? Is the free publicity and hope of a better future clientele THAT enticing? Or is he really that horrible of a person? Cause deep down, there really is no justification I can find for any of this, if it's all true, other than one would just have to really be the bottom trenches of humanity to put ANYTHING before a murdered baby, particularly one's own livelihood. I just don't get it.

 

[strach304]

I feel that the brain child to a lot of the creative TES searcher tampering was TM -- he was the first so vocal on Caylee being placed after ICA was in jail. Now it might have been shaped by folks like LB inserting themselves with MS trickery but TM seeded the plan. JB bought into it and got involved. What was the timing of TM leaving, was it all unraveling then so he left JB to take the fall?

I said something similar on the other thread. I agree that TM was the one that started this whole thing or at least goes back that far. He stated in court Caylee's body wasn't there and he could prove it. The SA's called him on it and wanted discovery. Of course that never happened. All these other things fall squarely on JB.

 

[nums24]

BBM

I wish LE would have asked him specifically about the diary BC was holding in custody as an officer of the court. Did JB specifically request the diary when asking for the items???

Do we know when...what date...he finally surrendered the diary to LE or the SA?

February 12, 2010

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/04/09/is-caseys-diary-important/

 

[strach304]

I found an old post I did.....puts this into even MORE perspective now.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4968243&postcount=62

Refers to Mort TAKING Joy's photo card from her camera. I think Joy was the first attempt at tampering and when she was deemed too unstable....they targeted LB.

Excellent thought.

 

[sleutherontheside]

Recall that JB had "The Presentation Group" show up wanting to COPY ALL THE TES records???

Mark Nejame THWARTED that effort.

In the docs covering George Anthony's employment, there was an application where he had listed employment WITH The Presentation Group.

Did JB attempt to use "The Presentation Group" in order to "SLIP IN" during "copying" some docs that were NOT already there?????

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/59187345/Discovery-Pt-2-11022010
beginning at pg 173

 

[strach304]

Several media sources just announced that the entire supply of Pepto Bismol has been depleted in the Central Florida area.

New shipments are expected to arrive tomorrow.

Hmmmmmmmm what a coincidence.



JK

:woohoo:

 

[Kentjbkent]

I can't help but wonder if the reason LE asked Laura if anyone had shown her photos of Caylee from the crime scene is because they suspected that Mort had shown them to her to get her to say she never saw anything that "looked like that".
Also the TREE location was apparently a hot button issue for them so perhaps Mort would have been trying to show her EXACTLY which tree.

I think he showed them. But, that's just my gut feeling.

But wasnt the entire defense team warned in court that they were NOT to show photos of Caylee to ANYONE with the exception of their expert witnesses?

 

[nums24]

I think Pat was in Ray Brown's office. His secretary's name is Pat.

The emails LB was sending to JB were in 2008 complaining about how no one got back to her after that. I speculating that JB ran a background check on her and chose her as she was more "believeable" than JW. LB didn't need an attorney in 2008.

Not being argumentative, just attempting to put pieces together, with your help.

 

[nums24]

But wasnt the entire defense team warned in court that they were NOT to show photos of Caylee to ANYONE with the exception of their expert witnesses?

Yes, they were. Would that really stop JB?

Has the defense ever shown any regard to the court orders?

 

[strach304]

I don't think they can ask Mort where he got that form because I believe it was JB or passed to him from the A's. Attorney/PI privilege I think would apply. They weren't allowed to ask DC about anything during the time he worked for Casey.

 

[Numbers]

Revisit this post about Mort volunteering to watch over CRIME SCENE photos and things make sense.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4568140&postcount=1

Sports cars = Never Lose Hope Foundation

The slime pit deepens.........

 

[cyberborg]

I have to say thank you a zillion times to everybody on this site for all your smarts and hard work and insight and knowledge and passion. As a layperson, of everything really, I have a very hard time understanding implications of things, I'm one of those that need things outlined in easy terms with bullets, followed by "in other words, it's like this..." in order to understand most of it. I hope I'm not alone in this, I would hope that there are thousands of WS readers who don't register, or maybe register but don't post for fear of sounding inferior. Well, I know I"m inferior, so I"ll be the one to stand up and say I'm just not sure I get what's going on here. I am so confused about all of this.

I guess my biggest point of confusion is ... why oh why oh why would Baez be doing ANY of this to begin with? I mean, is Casey THAT good looking? Was $275K THAT much money to him? Is the free publicity and hope of a better future clientele THAT enticing? Or is he really that horrible of a person? Cause deep down, there really is no justification I can find for any of this, if it's all true, other than one would just have to really be the bottom trenches of humanity to put ANYTHING before a murdered baby, particularly one's own livelihood. I just don't get it.

IMO. JB is in-experienced and way out of his depth. He is surrounded by a bunch of characters with varying degrees of willingness to twist laws from one extreme to downright criminal. This is a notorious case so a win would be major ... which incentivizes risk taking to the max. Folks are not playing to save ICA, they are playing to overturn this case for fame and $$$$.

A Defense attorney walks a fine line where it is expected that they 'zealousy' defend their client, play tricks and, inject propaganda to create reasonable doubt. Business as usual.

Defense attorney's probably walk the line a LOT and it is open to interpretation whether their actions were truly ethical. If you don't get caught or called on it ...

For JB ... I think his lack of experience combined with tendency to game the system combined with these players AND his desire to win and save ICA has emboldened him to the point of continually crossing the line further and further, throwing caution out of the window.

Blinded by the desire to win ... at any cost.

A Defense attorney can be Zealous ... Aggressive ... Sleazy ... Ethical? ... Tampering? ... Unlawful? ... downright Illegal?

JB is playing with fire but you are right ... is it worth it to get burned in this case? AL was wise to recognize there are some cases you cannot win and you either help the client plea out or ... just walk away. Pick your battles.

 

[Kentjbkent]

February 12, 2010 http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/04/09/is-caseys-diary-important/

There's that date again!!!

Now it appears that on February 12 of this year John Allen did take possession of the diary (from above link)

Same time SA filed requesting ex parte with Strickland without defense present "due to new information being investigated"...