Tampering Investigation Who? What? When? Where? We already know why!

[nums24]

Huh, so Baez was hoping to delay this two more years so the limitations would be passed? Too bad HHJP ain't playin' that game with him! Too bad Baez!

No, no, no. The police would have at least 2 years, if not more, to file charges from the time the crime became known to them. For the tampering case, they would have at least until September 2012 to file charges, it may be more though.

 

[faefrost]

God I hope I am wrong but iirc the detective made reference to having heard it while he was questioning Brad. That doesn't mean he actually did listen to it just because he phrased a comment or question that way, and I hope to God I read that wrong. Does anyone know the exact spot and have the direct quote? I do recall Linda Drane Burdick telling the judge she had not listened to it and would not listen to as it would be a felony for her to do so. SO, I am sure the detective mispoke here or I misread.

Yeah!! I just read it again and that is not correct, no one admits to hearing it! Thank God. It is on page 26. It is unclear...let's put it in the light most favorable to LE. They may have been saying we have been prevented from listening to it, or "Thwarted".

LE and the SA know what was supposedly on the tape because they were able to interview both parties and get their own words about it. Part of the reason for sealing it was it was illegally obtained and both participants were available for interviews or to give testimony. The judge did not seal the subject matter on the tape or the witness testimony, just the physical tape itself.

 

[LambChop]

I can't help but wonder if the reason LE asked Laura if anyone had shown her photos of Caylee from the crime scene is because they suspected that Mort had shown them to her to get her to say she never saw anything that "looked like that".

Also the TREE location was apparently a hot button issue for them so perhaps Mort would have been trying to show her EXACTLY which tree.

I think he showed them. But, that's just my gut feeling.

Plus wasn't he custodian of the pictures and not, not suppose to reveal them to anyone other than the experts???

 

[Aedrys]

Plus wasn't he custodian of the pictures and not, not suppose to reveal them to anyone other than the experts???

Huh? What kind of pictures are we talking about here? Autopsy photos? OMG, please tell me he wasn't showing people autopsy photos and then asking them about them! How disgusting!

 

[sleutherontheside]

Plus wasn't he custodian of the pictures and not, not suppose to reveal them to anyone other than the experts???

Yes he was and I NEVER understood why the "custodian" would be a PI instead of an attorney.

Unless of course the attorney wanted to appear to retain "clean hands".

 

[beach]

Not sure what the statute of limitations is, but the clock starts ticking from the time crime becomes known. The new case number was initiated in September 2010. My guess would be a minimum of 2 years to file charges.

Laws About Tampering With Physical Evidence in Florida

http://www.ehow.com/list_6753966_laws-tampering-physical-evidence-florida.html

Statute referenced: http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes...ing=&URL=0900-0999/0918/Sections/0918.13.html

Here is the FL statute 914.22 re. witness tampering:
http://www.flsenate.gov/Laws/Statutes/2010/914.22

Haven't looked for the SOL yet.

 

[newsaddict]

Throughout this entire case, which along with all of you I have followed daily since the story broke in July 2008, its a recurring theme of suspicious activity with the defense and the A family! But it seems like noone notices all of it except us here! It astounds me that so far nobody has been in any trouble, so I really really hope that this doesn't keep going seemingly unnoticed! I hope you guys are right and soon someone or somebodies pays for this! This is a murder case involving little 2yr old Caylee and I pray everyday for justice for her and if ANYONE of these players are guilty of tampering I want justice for that also!

 

[sleutherontheside]

Revisit this post about Mort volunteering to watch over CRIME SCENE photos and things make sense.

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[The World According]

LE and the SA know what was supposedly on the tape because they were able to interview both parties and get their own words about it. Part of the reason for sealing it was it was illegally obtained and both participants were available for interviews or to give testimony. The judge did not seal the subject matter on the tape or the witness testimony, just the physical tape itself.

That is correct, but I recall very specifically Mrs. Drane Burdick saying she had not listened to is as it would be a felony to do so. Sometimes folks relaying what they recall turns out to be a variation, inadvertent as it may be, of what you actually hear on the tape.

Mort says he said X
Joe says no....he recalls that Mort said Y

the tape tells the truth, if one could hear it. That is what the difference is. The reason it stands out in my mind about Mrs. DB statement is she turned to Jose and said I do not want Mr. Baez to commit a felony by listening to it either, and I recall that cracked me up, because she is just steady to the course, serious and doesn't laugh, but I find her to be very witty.

I also recall being amused because even after the judge had ruled, Mr. Baez was still confused, indeed. As usual.

 

[strach304]

Well, it looks like we have LB tampering with documents by signing her name and the names of at least two other TES searchers to say Caylee wasn't there to impress her new BFF's, the A's.

We've got Mort and Lyons tampering with TES witnesses to get them to say that Caylee's body wasn't there or just harassing people that happened to step onto Suburban drive.

And we've got Baez tampering with at least one document, putting Conway's name on it without Conway's permission, alleging a special situation between Nejame, Conway, and the A's to look at TES records.

Lots of tamperin' goin' on here, folks. And it's finally in writing and coming to light.

Wow, and all of this involves TES. I'm betting Baez wishes he had never heard of TES right now...

How did they think they were going to get away with this? All of the things JA has said about Casey getting a fair trial sure are crystal clear now.

 

[Aedrys]

How did they think they were going to get away with this? All of the things JA has said about Casey getting a fair trial sure are crystal clear now.

Yeah, he whines about us bloggers and the case being so in the media when he knows he's tampered with documents and had his PI's tamper with witnesses. Baez, bloggers and the media are the LEAST of your worries, buddy!

 

[Tulessa]

OMG What did I get out of the bed to?? Been in bed sick and wake up to this? Wow!

 

[Omachka]

BBM

He is also going to be lucky IF he doesn't spend time in his OWN jail cell, IMO.

Wow maybe he and KC can pass letters back and forth in a book. :crazy:

 

[cyberborg]

AL filed 6/30/2010 to withdraw, the last day possible before FL new rule went into effect. The rule prohibits private attorneys from leaving if a client becomes indigent.

So ... AL, true to her principles to walk away from a lost cause ... just in time left JB to become entrapped and ride the sinking ship all the way to the sea floor ... as did ToddM, LKB, and all of the others. Timing is everything.

CM steps into the fray and see what he can do to salvage this or at least have some 'fun' along the way playing with it, the Courts and, the media.

Enduring Notoriety a la OJ.

 

[Aedrys]

Wow maybe he and KC can pass letters back and forth in a book. :crazy:

It would be PRICELESS if the book was the same one she and Robyn were using too...

 

[sleutherontheside]

One reason is that we tend to treat friendly witnesses like cheap dates. We woo them into giving us what we want (statements, affidavits, ext), and when we get what we want they do not hear from us anymore until we need them again. It is during that period of time that the most damage occurs to that witness. They tell friends and family members and sometimes the prosecution that they spoke to a defense investigator and gave him/her a statement.

Using the tape or transcript of a tape recorded interview is one of the easiest ways to break the tie between the testimony of two equally believable people. When your investigator’s version differs from the witnesses version (of what was said during an interview) and both the investigator and the witness are equally believable, the tape is the easiest way to break the tie and determine who said what. But, if the witness refused to be taped and all you have are your investigator’s notes, do not give up hope.

Joe Jordan refused to allow Mort to tape their discussion!!!!

From a link in the Mort thread.

 

[strach304]

Mort generates statements FOR people to sign routinely. It's part of his MO.

I consider it his creative statement practice...kind of like Andrea's creative motions practice.

LOL :floorlaugh: As long as he didn't add onto with things they did not say he may come out of this alright. JB is another story. He lied to a judge and in front of BC! Damn, all I can do is shake my head.

 

[The World According]

One reason is that we tend to treat friendly witnesses like cheap dates. We woo them into giving us what we want (statements, affidavits, ext), and when we get what we want they do not hear from us anymore until we need them again. It is during that period of time that the most damage occurs to that witness. They tell friends and family members and sometimes the prosecution that they spoke to a defense investigator and gave him/her a statement.

Using the tape or transcript of a tape recorded interview is one of the easiest ways to break the tie between the testimony of two equally believable people. When your investigator’s version differs from the witnesses version (of what was said during an interview) and both the investigator and the witness are equally believable, the tape is the easiest way to break the tie and determine who said what. But, if the witness refused to be taped and all you have are your investigator’s notes, do not give up hope.

Joe Jordan refused to allow Mort to tape their discussion!!!!

From a link in the Mort thread.

There it is folks. Sleuther you amaze me with your recall! I remember one trial when a very, very well known expert was testifying and on cross the state asked him about his book he had out. He was very proud of it and the fist few questions were soft. Then the state asked him to read a passage and it said....yada yada yada....."It depends on which side is paying you!"

Baaam.
That is how I feel about your find. People, in all their hubris and writings, tell on themselves, then people can figure them out. Andrea Lyon literally published her playbook, in her writings. Now we see so did Mort. Good , good! You just can't make this stuff up!

 

[strach304]

I want to know soooo bad why and what stuff JB wanted BC to collect from Casey's room. It has to be some form of evidence and LE took pics so they may notice something important missing.

I also want to know who the other people are that JB asked BC to look for in the TES records.

I think the answers to these two questions would give us better insight as to what JB is up to.

 

[beach]

One reason is that we tend to treat friendly witnesses like cheap dates. We woo them into giving us what we want (statements, affidavits, ext), and when we get what we want they do not hear from us anymore until we need them again. It is during that period of time that the most damage occurs to that witness. They tell friends and family members and sometimes the prosecution that they spoke to a defense investigator and gave him/her a statement.

Using the tape or transcript of a tape recorded interview is one of the easiest ways to break the tie between the testimony of two equally believable people. When your investigator’s version differs from the witnesses version (of what was said during an interview) and both the investigator and the witness are equally believable, the tape is the easiest way to break the tie and determine who said what. But, if the witness refused to be taped and all you have are your investigator’s notes, do not give up hope.

Joe Jordan refused to allow Mort to tape their discussion!!!!

From a link in the Mort thread.

Well there it is, in all it's shining glory. Straight out of the horse's mouth. What a GIFT!!!

Good lord have mercy...I feel the need for a hot shower to wash off the slime. Brain bleach.