Tampering Investigation Who? What? When? Where? We already know why!

But this involves nothing that KC told him and it is not about KC directly. It's about tampering with evidence. It's about an attorney, BC, who claims there was nothing in the TES files related to LB. LB, and by her own admission, did not turn in her sheet. So how did those sheets turn up in TES records? When defense went to check on the files for TES the first time and stormed out because they were restricted (could do nothing but look and tab and were strickly monitored) they then went to the judge who lifted the restrictions on them. They were able to bring in pads, pens, papers and to take notes. All of a sudden TES records include LB's paperwork. Now how did that happen when BC claims now that LB's paperwork was not there when he was asked by JB to check for him? CM was right there by JB's side when they went the last time to check those files. How did the paperwork suddenly appear for defense when no one else could find it prior? Then we have LB admitting in a taped investigative phone call that she did not turn the paperwork in as it had been in her truck.

My guess is that the last depo of LB is a bombshell. She is not about to go to jail for whomever set this up. This is why she had to get a criminal attorney and I bet she worked a deal with them.

Bet me, this is just tip of the iceberg. If they do a book on this trial and cover everyone who has lied it will be longer than "Gone With The Wind".

To JB: What were you thinking???? Wonder how many on the defense "dream team" asked him the same question?????

I was posting the same thing on the other thread. On the other hand if the investigation involves JB and MS I don't think they have to talk to LE. They would be incriminating themselves. They could take the 5th.
I don't think JB thought about BC knowing those documents were not there when he looked. I can still see him saying that BC is mistaken, just didn't see them or they were in the two boxes that they were not allowed to look at.

From her depo and her lawyers attitude towards prosecutors it is clear to me that LB will continue to lie. I see no other way that defense could have gotten those papers but from her.
 
I was posting the same thing on the other thread. On the other hand if the investigation involves JB and MS I don't think they have to talk to LE. They would be incriminating themselves. They could take the 5th.
I don't think JB thought about BC knowing those documents were not there when he looked. I can still see him saying that BC is mistaken, just didn't see them or they were in the two boxes that they were not allowed to look at.

From her depo and her lawyers attitude towards prosecutors it is clear to me that LB will continue to lie. I see no other way that defense could have gotten those papers but from her.

The Prosecutors and LE most likely have all the FAX cover sheets, and can follow the paper trail of the "questioned" TES Field Activity Form which has the post-it/sticky note on the bottom which says "From Laura - For Mort". The FAX cover page will show the date that Laura FAXed the alleged fake TES form to Mort, and the FAX cover page for when Mort FAXed it to Cheney Mason, or Laura's attorney FAXed it to Cheney. I believe that sticky note in itself, proves that Laura is the originator of the alleged fake form. Nobody had that alleged fake form except Laura. Brad C and Tim Miller both said the form was NOT in the TES records. Mason did not have it, or he would have provided it to the Prosecutors before they took Laura's first deposition. It was a surprise to Mason apparently.
 
Exactly!

Caylee is still waiting and this is what this case all boils down to. Justice for Caylee. I know that LE and the SA want this more than anything. LE has done their job in investigating Caylee's murder case and handed the case over to the SA who is more than ready to take this to trial in May and I believe, even with Jose screaming and kicking that he isn't ready, this trial will happen in May with the defense as it is now.

It seems that LE has now moved on to investigate other crimes commited adjacent to Caylee's murder case, but they are seperate cases, that in time, will be handed over to the SA if need be. I'm hoping there are some case numbers for the Anthony's that we won't see until after the trial.

It's such a shame that all this is happening after Cindy was finally starting to like JB... Well, I think we now know the reason why Cindy had such high regard for JB... He's like one of the Anthony's now. Maybe a name change is in order?

As in "Jose Marie?"
 
It seems Brad has been at odds with Baez from jump. I recall Todd, Andrea and Jose on three separate occasions bringing it to the judge's attention that there was a conflict of interest with Mark representing TES after representing the Anthonys. Brad , to his credit told the court no, shook his head no, even moved forward to be sure the court could hear him and said NO, that is not correct.

I remember often thinking it is pretty obvious the Anthonys, Brad and the defense must never have any meetings, they all work against one another. This thing about the COV was my first glipse.

They must have a master plan that escapes me, right?

Fast forward to everyone denying that they sent or even had knowledge of Dom going to the woods. Dom says under oath to LE and Federal officers that he had NO IDEA THAT HOOVER WAS TAPING HIM!
Alrighty then.
Somebody should have told Brad, because Brad went on Geraldo with the exclusive video that he insisted Hoover was a thief to try to sell to the networks; because, it belonged to Dominic who was hired by the Anthonys and therefore, of course,he explained to Geraldo "It belongs to George and Cindy, it is our work product." (note what he says at the four minute mark about a bombshell) [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_sEh-hVZcA[/ame]

Well that one is going to be hard to back out of. The tape of the PI looking in the woods in the spot the baby was found belongs to the parents of the defendant. Whose side are they on?!!!!!

WTH?!!!!!!
I thought I had seen and heard it all until Brad sat there and let Geraldo inform us on national television that Dominic was sent to those woods allegedly with maps and graphs. MAPS AND GRAPHS!!!! If I live to be 100 , I will not stop laughing about that. That is a far cry from dumb luck, Kio or a Genny Lucas having a vision. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oGQ1-otlD0[/ame]

What else?
Geraldo, with the subtlety of Sophia from the Golden Girls, loves to let us know he has the inside scoop. He is outraged. I do believe that is the word he used, outraged, that mom and pop went to visit Casey when Baez was out of town. He had left explicit instructions ...no visits and no phone calls , slow and simple he said it....the way a kindergarten teacher may drill it into the students heads, no candy and no toys!!!!!
Hold on to your seat, not realizing that it makes them all look like they are working against one another ( how else do you explain Baez simply not calling up local buddy Brad and telling him the time out rule).... Brad agrees with Geraldo. It is an outrage, he concurred. It was a set up Geraldo exclaimed. "Indeed it appears that way, Geraldo" our Brad agreed.
They seemed like they did not like, trust or respect each other, Brad and Baez. Now we know it, and we know why!
 
Can the SAO resurrect the whole "That's not the contract I thought I signed" thing from Lenny? Since they're digging around, they might as well toss in the kitchen sink. Is this possible/likely?

Oh I had forgotten all about that. Tony told us Baez forged his signature to a contract or something right? Can you refresh my memory? It was something Tony said he knows he didn't sign. They all did but his was different.
 
Thanks for making this separate thread. Can't wait for our lawyers to sign on and comment on this "bombshell".

I've been busy and haven't had the time to catch up on what's going on, can someone give me a quick summary to get me up to speed on what this bombshell is? I'm anxious to know and thanks for any info. :smile:
 
Oh I had forgotten all about that. Tony told us Baez forged his signature to a contract or something right? Can you refresh my memory? It was something Tony said he knows he didn't sign. They all did but his was different.

IIRC it was a different version, pages added or swapped.
 
faefrost, Lambchop and TWA, I promise you ALL the leftover halloween candy! Sorry, I ate all the smarties and my 6 year old ate all the mini jawbreakers, but there's still plenty of great stuff. You might want to skip on the gummy skeletons . . . to me they look kind of gross.

THANK YOU SO MUCH for your very concise & well thought out responses. I am waiting till the kids go to bed to read links that you highlighted (I did breeze through one briefly and . . . . OMG!).

Really, thank you. I swear I feel so brain-dead I'm quite nearly a zombie. Actually, I might have to read the links tomorrow, after a good night's sleep.

I feel smarter already. Suddenly all the comments posted are making sense to me!

You are welcome friend. We are all pretty pumped up and feverishly looking up stuff and posting because for ONCE it seems like someone is trying to DO SOMETHING about these things we have all suspected and had to tip toe around. I love Eric Edwards and John Allen. They speak for common sense and Caylee! They call it like they see it! Now all they have to do is prove it and as the teenagers say, "IT'S ON!!!!"
 
I've been busy and haven't had the time to catch up on what's going on, can someone give me a quick summary to get me up to speed on what this bombshell is? I'm anxious to know and thanks for any info. :smile:

See the posts from Faefrost #144, Lambchop #146 and TWA #147.

Hope that helps!
 
IIRC it was a different version, pages added or swapped.
Tony said he insisted on a separate document to sign. If Jose is trading out signature pages and attaching mine to one that LP, Tracey , et al , signed that is NOT the one I signed he explained. We never did see the documents Jose was to find and submit later, much like we never did see the missing page of Dominic's contracts that set out the payment terms. Imagine that!

I'll try to find the spot. It was in this very long hearing that the form was discussed, Jose believed that some privacy agreement, even if he could produce the original which in the hearing he could not, would extend attorney client privilege to LP and company. Mrs. Drane Burdick took him to school and his own witness, wound up proving the state's position. This hearing also included the infamous Todd claim of 100 people who searched Suburban, etc.
It was a busy hearing that included many topics and nearly every player in the case. If you look around the room, you'll see Amy's Kronk's and Jesse's attorney as well as Mark for TES. If you let it play in the background...please friends do not have any beverages near your keyboard, many parts are downright hysterical. I think it was this hearing when I started closing with You just can't make this stuff up!!!

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=C140CDF9F9751BBB"]YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]
Here,in part two, Mark Nejame tells Judge Strickland that what the defense stood and argued to the court is different than what they put in their legal document. So this has been going on for a very, very long time.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7LsKP77ycw[/ame]
 
ooooh here it is friends, The defense telling the judge that there is a conflict of interest with Mark Nejame representing TES after mom and pop. Brad telling the judge NO there is no conflict, literally shaking his head no. So Mark takes to the podium and says it is not true, and not only are they not asserting any conflict, he has a signed waiver by them.

Andrea had claimed that the Anthonys were asserting conflict, she told the judge they received it by e mail. Brad says no.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYXZ_GSPyk0[/ame]
Mark tears them up, four minute mark.
This was one of the three times the defense would raise this issue to the court. All three times Brad said no.

eight minute mark is where Andrea says Mr. Conway knows about the Anthonys asserting this. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5IrzGBLLjg[/ame]
 
For Numbers

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPePU8QtcSY[/ame]
Found it, Jose's misguided argument about Agency extending to LP, Rob, Tony, et al. The document they signed comes up here and it is through Mrs. Drane Burdick that we learn she was informed by Tony Padilla he did NOT sign the same document as LP and the others.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGMKC010duE[/ame] It is a must see! So many of my favorite LDB quotes are from this hearing. Here is just one.
LDB:
"We have our perennial issue of notice of service, the defense did not serve the proper parties to give them the opportunity to be heard. This keeps happening".

Once again, this is an example of the defense arguing something to the court that is NOT what they have in their legal document. This has been going on for some time!
 
The Prosecutors and LE most likely have all the FAX cover sheets, and can follow the paper trail of the "questioned" TES Field Activity Form which has the post-it/sticky note on the bottom which says "From Laura - For Mort". The FAX cover page will show the date that Laura FAXed the alleged fake TES form to Mort, and the FAX cover page for when Mort FAXed it to Cheney Mason, or Laura's attorney FAXed it to Cheney. I believe that sticky note in itself, proves that Laura is the originator of the alleged fake form. Nobody had that alleged fake form except Laura. Brad C and Tim Miller both said the form was NOT in the TES records. Mason did not have it, or he would have provided it to the Prosecutors before they took Laura's first deposition. It was a surprise to Mason apparently.

But how did it get into the box of TES records, or is defense saying it was never there that LB walked off with it because LB stated to AP that she brought the form back and placed it in a tray or handed it off to someone. What would be the incentive for LB to fill out a fake form when she was not officially assigned to Suburban Drive and drove there with other's on her own? There would be no need for a TES form because they were never sent there. So what would be the point of LB filling out a false form herself without being instructed to do so when she knew she was there on her own?
 
ooohhh..I need to go look at jb's fb...he has a stalker that gives him he!!...I will report back :crazy:
 
But how did it get into the box of TES records, or is defense saying it was never there that LB walked off with it because LB stated to AP that she brought the form back and placed it in a tray or handed it off to someone. What would be the incentive for LB to fill out a fake form when she was not officially assigned to Suburban Drive and drove there with other's on her own? There would be no need for a TES form because they were never sent there. So what would be the point of LB filling out a false form herself without being instructed to do so when she knew she was there on her own?

It is my understanding that the LB docs that the SAO had obtained came from YM's subsequent visit to TES in TX after JB listed her as a witness.

ETA: Page 11 here: http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22919219/detail.html
 
TWA: Can you find the clip of JB lying that BC had knowledge of exculpatory evidence in the TES docs?
 

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