Teresa N., Haleigh's paternal grandmother #2

[mck16]

pittsburghgirl is not online here right now. That could be a reasonable explanation as to why you are not getting what you asked for. We continue to discuss Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield's status in this case in the thread of Teresa Neves. Perhaps we should inquire as to how PCSO categorizes her. Cleared, person of interest, suspect, not considered a suspect or maybe none of the above....lol:crazy:

In my opinion (and we all know everyone has one) . It won't matter what LE says everyone will have their own interpretation as to what it means. And that will depend upon their beliefs of guilt or innocence in this case.

 

[Muffet]

When you read the posts by pittsburghgirl without taking the statements out of context in the way that you have done her posts make sense. They made sense 11 days ago and they make sense today. I interpret her posts to point out the fact that LE has made 2 different statements in regards to the status of the biological parents in this case. Both statements refer to said parents not being suspects because they are cleared of suspicion. Over the past 11 days it is evident to me that her position on this subject did not change but evolved after repeated statements by Law Enforcement were broken down and interpreted to fit an opposing argument.

To sum up, I read a statement from the PCSO website last night on the press releases page. They state that The biological parents Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield are not suspects in the case. they are not under suspicion of guilt in any area related to this case. For those of you that disagree with their findings, I will wait ever patient to see the evidence of what part each parent played, according to you, in Haleigh's disappearance. :waitasec:

Maybe you need to read the posts again. :waitasec: And there were no "two different statements by LE" and never was the word "cleared" used. Unless someone can deliver a quote like that from LE, they shouldn't say one exists.

This whole issue really is not difficult - in fact it couldn't be more clear. Don't put words in LEs mouth.

...But as we've seen lately, especially from TN last night on NG, smoke and mirrors appear to be a favorite tactic to mislead.... Luckily, not all of us are so easily befuddled.

Speaking of which, has no one mentioned in this thread the problems with the things TN said last night? e.g., that whole blaming of Misty's lawyer, and even saying she wished Misty's lawyer had dragged her to LE 6 months ago? :crazy: Seriously?

 

[elle1919]

Maybe you need to read the posts again. :waitasec: And there were no "two different statements by LE" and never was the word "cleared" used. Unless someone can deliver a quote like that from LE, they shouldn't say one exists.

This whole issue really is not difficult - in fact it couldn't be more clear. Don't put words in LEs mouth.

...But as we've seen lately, especially from TN last night on NG, smoke and mirrors appear to be a favorite tactic to mislead.... Luckily, not all of us are so easily befuddled.

Speaking of which, has no one mentioned in this thread the problems with the things TN said last night? e.g., that whole blaming of Misty's lawyer, and even saying she wished Misty's lawyer had dragged her to LE 6 months ago? :crazy: Seriously?

Yes it is very clear to me. I actually remember having this exact conversation with you about the words that Law Enforcement used and quoted the Palatka Daily Newspaper that stated The biological parents Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield have been cleared of suspicion. To refresh your memory here it is again : )

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2009/09/19/news/news01.txt
snip~Officers also have interviewed Ronald Cummings numerous times. Both he and Haleigh�s mother, Crystal Sheffield, have been cleared of suspicion in the disappearance, authorities say. ~end snip

http://www.pcso.us/2009-8-17-a

above is another press release different from the one that was quoted to you a page ago that says the following under a list of "FACTS" that Law Enforcement posted.

~snip...At this point, the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh’s disappearance is the work of a stranger. There is no specific individual whom investigators have identified as a person of interest. The biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case. ~end snip

So, no Muffet I am not befuddled as you describe. I am very clear on the statements that LE has made and I really don't need you to explain them to me. I am not confused about them. May I respectfully request that you inquire with Law Enforcement to obtain clarity because I am not confused nor did I need any further explanation from you. I am very sorry that we disagree on this point but sometimes people don't always agree. Perhaps neither of us are correct and very soon we will have the answers that will direct us to the responsible party.

As far as TN's appearance on Nancy Grace last night, I see no problems with what she said last night. Her statement supports her last appearance on Nancy Grace where she specifically told Nancy that she didn't care WHO was responsible or implicated for Haleigh's disappearance....as long as she could have Haleigh brought home to her.

 

[Flossie JMO]

I feel very badly for Teresa, I hope she has her grandbaby home soon

 

[Muffet]

Those are not "quotes" from LE, elle. As you know, since we have been through this before.

I also have a feeling the mods here would agree that unless and until someone can deliver an actual quote from LE that says Ron is "cleared", they should not keep claiming such a quote exists.

Finally, I don't need to ask LE, because despite all those previous weeks of reporters stating otherwise, Ron's own Lawyer finally came out and told us he was not cleared. I trust he'll let us know if that changes. sheeesh! LOL

 

[Flossie JMO]

Obviously some people think LE stating that Ron and Crystal are not considered to be suspects means they are cleared. And obviously some don't.

I have no idea what that has to do with Teresa.

There was the same debate over Misty and whether LEs release said she is a person of interest iirc.

 

[Malesherbes]

Obviously some people think LE stating that Ron and Crystal are not considered to be suspects means they are cleared. And obviously some don't.

I have no idea what that has to do with Teresa.

There was the same debate over Misty and whether LEs release said she is a person of interest iirc.

No, it is hard to consider Ron cleared when his Lawyer says this-


GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

 

[elle1919]

Those are not "quotes" from LE, elle. As you know, since we have been through this before.

I also have a feeling the mods here would agree that unless and until someone can deliver an actual quote from LE that says Ron is "cleared", they should not keep claiming such a quote exists.

Finally, I don't need to ask LE, because despite all those previous weeks of reporters stating otherwise, Ron's own Lawyer finally came out and told us he was not cleared. I trust he'll let us know if that changes. sheeesh! LOL

lol....I can't believe Iam still carrying on with this. The 1st link I gave you was from the Palatka Daily news and the quote is from the writer of the article. She is quoting authorities, as it says in the article. Who do you think she or he meant when they said the quote came from authorities?

The second link I gave you comes straight from the press release section on the PCSO website. As far as you referring to what Ronald's lawyer stated.. Why would I rely on a statement from a lawyer about whether or not Ronald is a suspect or cleared when I have these statements from LE to go by? While I have the utmost respect for the educational background and years of dedication that it takes to acquire a law degree, I personally have questioned a few things this lawyer has said. While you would like to speculate the veracity of LE's own press release I prefer to believe the press release from Law Enforcement rather than the veracity of a lawyer's remarks.

As far as your statement that I bolded, why should the mods agree with you that in fact there is no truth to the statements that many of have us have posted? just because my opinion is the minority around here it doesn't mean it is false... If a moderator posts that there is no validity to the statements that I believe LE has made then so be it. Case closed. I will stop defending the meaning of the statement. But just because you feel LE is speaking in code and really hasn't cleared the biological parents from suspicion in this case doesn't make it so. With all due respect. I do value your opinions. But I feel like I am on this until we get some clarification....:treadmill:

 

[kamky]

Those are not "quotes" from LE, elle. As you know, since we have been through this before.

I also have a feeling the mods here would agree that unless and until someone can deliver an actual quote from LE that says Ron is "cleared", they should not keep claiming such a quote exists.

Finally, I don't need to ask LE, because despite all those previous weeks of reporters stating otherwise, Ron's own Lawyer finally came out and told us he was not cleared. I trust he'll let us know if that changes. sheeesh! LOL

- PSCO has said noumerous times that the biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case.
- The legal definition of a "suspect", in criminal law, is someone who is under suspicion, often formally announced as being under investigation by law enforcement officials.
- Misty is not given the same designation by LE and they typically say that she continues to hold important answers in the case and has been inconsistent in her answers.
- LE has not "cleared" anyone but the AC man.

This makes it pretty clear to me that LE does not regard either Ron or Crystal as someone under suspicion and they do not regard Misty the same way. They also make it clear that they do not have all the answers that they need, so IMO LE is leaving open the possibility that they may find some additional information in the future that may change their perception of who is a suspect.

To me, this is not inconsistent with the statement made by Ron's lawyer. He just expressed it a little differently.

 

[Muffet]

- PSCO has said noumerous times that the biological parents, Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, are not considered to be suspects in the case.
- The legal definition of a "suspect", in criminal law, is someone who is under suspicion, often formally announced as being under investigation by law enforcement officials.
- Misty is not given the same designation by LE and they typically say that she continues to hold important answers in the case and has been inconsistent in her answers.
- LE has not "cleared" anyone but the AC man.

This makes it pretty clear to me that LE does not regard either Ron or Crystal as someone under suspicion and they do not regard Misty the same way. They also make it clear that they do not have all the answers that they need, so IMO LE is leaving open the possibility that they may find some additional information in the future that may change their perception of who is a suspect.

To me, this is not inconsistent with the statement made by Ron's lawyer. He just expressed it a little differently.

Exactly! Thank you, Kamky! :hug:

 

[Flossie JMO]

No, it is hard to consider Ron cleared when his Lawyer says this-


GRACE: Do you believe that law enforcement has officially cleared your client, Ronald Cummings, of anything to do with her disappearance?

SHOEMAKER: Well, it`s kind of a tough situation to say they`ve officially cleared him 100 percent. When we met with law enforcement last week, they basically said they moved him from, you know, top of the list to the bottom of the list.

GRACE: Got it.

SHOEMAKER: Unless they were with him all night long, they can`t officially rule him out.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0909/08/ng.01.html

No worriess, everyone has an opinion. Ron's lawyer is also not LE.

I don't think either parent or grandparent is cleared, but again, that's just my opinion.

 

[elle1919]

Exactly! Thank you, Kamky! :hug:

lol...come on and join me in the nuthouse....

So you agreed with what Kamky stated about the bio parents? Muffet we just disagree. that is clear. I don't think you are correct and you do not think I am correct. Perhaps we will have the answer one day soon. As much fun as this has been I have to attend and IEP meeting and I will be happy to continue this later today but in a different thread! Sorry to everyone that opened the thread and thought they were going to find info on TN.

By the way. I did not say that reporters knew more than Ronalds attorney. I said Law Enforcement knew more than Ronalds attorney.....
snip~The second link I gave you comes straight from the press release section on the PCSO website. As far as you referring to what Ronald's lawyer stated.. Why would I rely on a statement from a lawyer about whether or not Ronald is a suspect or cleared when I have these statements from LE to go by? While I have the utmost respect for the educational background and years of dedication that it takes to acquire a law degree, I personally have questioned a few things this lawyer has said. While you would like to speculate the veracity of LE's own press release I prefer to believe the press release from Law Enforcement rather than the veracity of a lawyer's remarks....end snip~

 

[cajun]

I think that it is very important to stick with the facts in this case. Posting information that Teresa Neves has the phone records for Ronald and Misty Cummings since February and that she withheld them from Law Enforcement in an effort to succeed in covering up a kidnapping, murder or abduction is exactly the type of rumor that leads to unsubstantiated claims about this family.

Since you offer no proof of fact I think your suspicions belong in the RT.

I offer that Teresa Neves has every reason in the world to be frustrated with Law Enforcement because her grandchild has been missing for almost 8 months and the police department that is in control of the investigation cannot narrow down the suspect list to include anything but" all the world". Misty Croslin Cummings has submitted to 3 LD tests, and according to them, been consistently inconsistent. Couple that with the fact that they claim to have physical evidence that contradicts her claims about what happened that evening and we have what would seem to be enough evidence to facilitate an arrest in this case. Yet there has been none. Why do you think that is perhaps?

In my opinion it is because Law Enforcement does not believe that Misty Croslin Cummings is responsible for Haleigh's disappearance. Which means the person responsible is somewhere in all the world, and quite frankly very well could be anywhere in the world because they have had 8 months to disappear.

I would be frustrated beyond measure!

LE doesnt need Teresa's or anyone elses permission to obtain phone records from the phone company. LE physically had the phones and phone records since the beginning. They dropped the ball on checking the records thoroughly. Ron and Terry S. did bring a copy of the phone records to the new FDLE person that is on the case.

 

[Muffet]

lol...come on and join me in the nuthouse....

So you agreed with what Kamky stated about the bio parents? Muffet we just disagree. that is clear. I don't think you are correct and you do not think I am correct. Perhaps we will have the answer one day soon. As much fun as this has been I have to attend and IEP meeting and I will be happy to continue this later today but in a different thread! Sorry to everyone that opened the thread and thought they were going to find info on TN.

By the way. I did not say that reporters knew more than Ronalds attorney. I said Law Enforcement knew more than Ronalds attorney.....
snip~The second link I gave you comes straight from the press release section on the PCSO website. As far as you referring to what Ronald's lawyer stated.. Why would I rely on a statement from a lawyer about whether or not Ronald is a suspect or cleared when I have these statements from LE to go by? While I have the utmost respect for the educational background and years of dedication that it takes to acquire a law degree, I personally have questioned a few things this lawyer has said. While you would like to speculate the veracity of LE's own press release I prefer to believe the press release from Law Enforcement rather than the veracity of a lawyer's remarks....end snip~

1. If you agree with Kamky, you agree with me, painful as that may seem. lol

2. The second link, as you say, is indeed straight from PSCO LE - but note that it does NOT say they were "cleared." It says they are "not considered suspects." And THAT is my point! :crazy: I've been citing and stating that very pcso statement from day 1.

To understand:
The disagreement has been over the
continual conflation of
"not considered a suspect"
with the
altogether different
and un-given
status of
"cleared".

(Anyone who still truly doesn't get it should re-read that sentence. Also re-read kamky's post, and PG's older one I brought over, if you don't trust all of mine. :angel

So all the statements that Ron has been "cleared" and "answers" like the following:

If you aren't a suspect, you are cleared of suspicion, aka "cleared."

... are just not true, and as un-fun and aggravating as it is for me to correct them, I do it because they should not be left up uncorrected on any thread up here where they perpetually mislead people, IMO.

 

[kamky]

1. If you agree with Kamky, you agree with me, painful as that may seem. lol

2. The second link, as you say, is indeed straight from PSCO LE - but note that it does NOT say they were "cleared." It says they are "not considered suspects." And THAT is my point! :crazy: I've been citing and stating that very pcso statement from day 1.

To understand:
The disagreement has been over the
continual conflation of
"not considered a suspect"
with the
altogether different
and un-given
status of
"cleared".

(Anyone who still truly doesn't get it should re-read that sentence. Also re-read kamky's post, and PG's older one I brought over, if you don't trust all of mine. :angel

So all the statements that Ron has been "cleared" and "answers" like the following:


... are just not true, and as un-fun and aggravating as it is for me to correct them, I do it because they should not be left up uncorrected on any thread up here where they perpetually mislead people, IMO.

Actually, I'm getting confused as to who I agree with! :blushingsmiley:

I see that the word "cleared" is not in 'definitions.uslegal.com', whereas the word "suspect" is. This makes me think that "cleared" is more of a generic term, used by reporters and loosely by LE. So, it's sort of a moot point.

All we really know is what LE has said and this is that neither Ron nor Crystal are considered "suspects". Meaning that at this time they are not under suspicion. But, we can't rule out that LE couldn't change their mind at a later date because they always reserve that right...hope this makes everyone happy & we can get now back to the topic of TN!!

 

[stilettos]

LE hasn't made any public announcements regarding anyone other than Misty. Doesn't mean that they are suspect of others. For every family member in this crime, why has no one told the honest absolute truth about everything? Makes you wonder why?

Novice Seeker

We can argue semantics and play word games forever....it makes absolutely no sense that the Grandmother of the missing child assists in sending the last person to see the child, the person that LE needs clarification from to assist in solving the crime...on vacation. Any residiual question that I had that TN is or is not assisting in the pervasive laying down of confusion in this case was banished last night. I believe that she is.....and it angers me. Porr HaLeigh...Grandmother sent Misty on vacation instead of sending her to LE to help find you...shame!

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

LE doesnt need Teresa's or anyone elses permission to obtain phone records from the phone company. LE physically had the phones and phone records since the beginning. They dropped the ball on checking the records thoroughly. Ron and Terry S. did bring a copy of the phone records to the new FDLE person that is on the case.

BBM--wowsers so TN was able to review the records with Ron or Shoemaker etc as Ron had a copy--wow--that seems like LE is giving them time to work on the "whys" behind the phone calls...I would have thought LE would keep them private....seems counter-intuitive to me to share them with a suspect or a suspect's mother....UGH..now wonder this case appears to be at a standstill..:banghead:

 

[Searchfortruth]

Speaking of Teresa...she and Ron now have Misty (Mrs. can't pass a polygraph) living with them in their home. I don't much care what is being said about who's been cleared or not, I do find it very odd that this trio is under the same roof. There is just something not right with that.

 

[PorcineGranny]

Muffet, I understand dear, and agree.

 

[Muffet]

Muffet, I understand dear, and agree.

Thank you, Granny.