Teresa N., Haleigh's paternal grandmother

[Shaymus at The Rock]

IMHO, EVERYONE needs to be looked at as LE has stated that "No one has been cleared". IF LE did infact have your address listed incorrectly, that's a big red flag for me. While I can certainly understand that it wasn't important at the time, I would imagine that it's one of the many things that have been corrected since the inital report. If she's NOT living at that address, that raises more questions for me. How was she able to grab a picture of HaLeigh and get there so quickly, UNLESS she was called at say 2?? KWIM?? HINKY METER GOING OFF!!!!!!

Oh I see what you're saying. Was the pic large and/or framed ? If not, I guess it wouldn't matter whether or not she was at home when she was called. Most grandmas have pix in their wallets and/or cars. But if it was a large and/or framed pic, how'd she happen to have it with her ? Maybe she was at work and had a framed pic on her desk ? Do dispatchers have their own desk or do they share a workspace ? Do we know how large the pic was and/or if it was in a frame ?

ETA: I forgot - we know she wasn't at work because she decribed waking up, pulling on her jeans, etc.

 

[Whisperer]

As far as the aerial shot goes. The lot is not obstructed at all. It is wide open. There are spaces for four trailers. On it are 101, 103,...., 107 all owned by the same person.

At one time, there must have been a trailer there and must have been removed. Good question and find would be WHEN? There are no tax records for 105. As of recent recordings 105 does not exist.

TN must have resided at that address at one time, IMO. BUT if she had moved in the past year, it makes one very suspicious of her convenient arrival time. It would make sense for her to be living in Lake County much closer to work. Driving 45 miles one way would be a hassle.

So, the question is when did she move to Lake County?

 

[LFlorida]

LOL I do know how that can make one feel old.

My suggestion is to find an old devoted fisherman in the area of the bait shop. He/she would probably remember who sold them bait a few times a week or so.

That would be ME! I was there every day.

The T that worked there left to marry somebody or move away with her b/f, iirc. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that it was her. I know the b/f was Hispanic. [btw - if y'all think I'm BSing you, I am 100% sincere.]

The old coots who hung out there w/me might recall her name, but possibly not - they'd be REAL old now.

C'mon now SS, surely you didn't think I had the guts to go to the bait shop just to ask about TN? Too, too chicken & self-conscious to do that. I was there to buy worms and minnows. There was a poster of Haleigh in the window so it was easy to work the conversation to that subject.

I'm sure I have photos of "the good ol' days" w/that T in it.... somewhere. ;-)

 

[LFlorida]

Oh I see what you're saying. Was the pic large and/or framed ? If not, I guess it wouldn't matter whether or not she was at home when she was called. Most grandmas have pix in their wallets and/or cars. But if it was a large and/or framed pic, how'd she happen to have it with her ? Maybe she was at work and had a framed pic on her desk ? Do dispatchers have their own desk or do they share a workspace ? Do we know how large the pic was and/or if it was in a frame ?

ETA: I forgot - we know she wasn't at work because she decribed waking up, pulling on her jeans, etc.

Thanks for that, Shay. I totally forgot about her telling NG about waking and putting on her jeans and driving the miles in half the time it would ordinarily take. I don't blame her a bit, btw - I'd be driving faster than ol' Richard Petty used to on that Hwy that night. What a nightmare to go through.

ETA -
Thank you for saving one of us a phone call.

SS, glad to hear Busy's still working on the case.

 

[elle1919]

This has been one very hard thing for me to fit in regarding TN's behavior. The FIRST thing that one would think when getting a call like this is that she is going to be found quickly by someone who KNOWS what she looks like. They would think that she is near the home, with MC's family, or even asleep in the car. Most grandmas of young kids would not jump to the conclusion that she will need to be disseminating a picture, and even if it crossed her mind, why would the child's PARENT not have a number of recent pictures already at hand? There are many dozens of pictures of Haleigh out there, surely some of these must have been available at the MH ! Why would TN feel that she needed to bring one when there should be many of them already there?

Hi raeann, you know what? You got me wondering! First thing tomorrow I am going to look back and listen to some interviews and try to figure this picture thing out. Are we assuming that TN brought the picture of Haleigh with her or do we know that as a fact? Do we know she didn't get it from the trailer? I don't think she would have been allowed in there though, so I am trying to figure out if she really did grab it before she left. I do remember it was an 8X10 that I saw her clutching, I have to check the pic I am thinking of to see if it was framed or not. I don't think it is strange for her to have it framed though cause that is the first thing I do...frame it and hang it for all to see. Maybe she grabbed it off the wall.

Also, Ronald had just moved into that home from another trailer nearby that was owned by the same landlord. Perhaps he didn't have pictures out or hung or handy. If LE asked for the recent picture, I am glad someone produced one. If Ronald was outside and not being allowed back into the trailer at that point all the more reason for him to tell his Mom to bring it. He did have a cell phone. I know that very little time had passed when TN arrived, but we can't possibly know or begin to understand the frenzy that was going on. Time flies and I bet a lot of things happened in a very short span of time.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

That would be ME! I was there every day.

The T that worked there left to marry somebody or move away with her b/f, iirc. The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that it was her. I know the b/f was Hispanic. [btw - if y'all think I'm BSing you, I am 100% sincere.]

The old coots who hung out there w/me might recall her name, but possibly not - they'd be REAL old now.

C'mon now SS, surely you didn't think I had the guts to go to the bait shop just to ask about TN? Too, too chicken & self-conscious to do that. I was there to buy worms and minnows. There was a poster of Haleigh in the window so it was easy to work the conversation to that subject.

I'm sure I have photos of "the good ol' days" w/that T in it.... somewhere. ;-)

I must say your post made me laugh out loud. LOL Of course, it was you! Duh! What was I thinking?! Hahahahaha~ (I would love to go fishing with you sometime...but in a place without crocs, gators, and huge snakes!)

It would be great if you ran across one of those photos to find Teresa in one while you were busy telling her your latest fish story. "It was THIS big before it got away!" hehehe

 

[SeriouslySearching]

As far as the aerial shot goes. The lot is not obstructed at all. It is wide open. There are spaces for four trailers. On it are 101, 103,...., 107 all owned by the same person.

At one time, there must have been a trailer there and must have been removed. Good question and find would be WHEN? There are no tax records for 105. As of recent recordings 105 does not exist.

TN must have resided at that address at one time, IMO. BUT if she had moved in the past year, it makes one very suspicious of her convenient arrival time. It would make sense for her to be living in Lake County much closer to work. Driving 45 miles one way would be a hassle.

So, the question is when did she move to Lake County?

Did you or someone else recently fly over this area to get that aerial shot of this land?!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

This has been one very hard thing for me to fit in regarding TN's behavior. The FIRST thing that one would think when getting a call like this is that she is going to be found quickly by someone who KNOWS what she looks like. They would think that she is near the home, with MC's family, or even asleep in the car. Most grandmas of young kids would not jump to the conclusion that she will need to be disseminating a picture, and even if it crossed her mind, why would the child's PARENT not have a number of recent pictures already at hand? There are many dozens of pictures of Haleigh out there, surely some of these must have been available at the MH ! Why would TN feel that she needed to bring one when there should be many of them already there?

It would be one of my first thoughts to grab a photo to show everyone what she looks like who could be searching. I have noticed around my house that I have the larger photos and the moms usually keep smaller ones out of the kids. Their larger photos are in albums.

When searching for a child, you can't have too many photos. There wouldn't be access to a copy machine to give people her picture. Also, when a child you know well enough to realize would not wander off in the middle of the night, the first assumption would be kidnapped by a stranger. A photo of the child is essential. Teresa saved time by grabbing one she could have kept by her bed or on the way out of her door. It was a smart move on her part, imo.

 

[Busylady]

No I would never have thought to request TN work attendance records and am not comfortable doing so, just like I would not be comfortable requesting Maries. I really dont know what to tell you guys about the address it is the correct address on the police report. I know we have found several errors on the property appraisers site, so I don't know if that is one of the errors or not. I can try to find out more if she rents or owns and maybe that will solve some of the questions?

 

[debs]

Hi raeann, you know what? You got me wondering! First thing tomorrow I am going to look back and listen to some interviews and try to figure this picture thing out. Are we assuming that TN brought the picture of Haleigh with her or do we know that as a fact? Do we know she didn't get it from the trailer? I don't think she would have been allowed in there though, so I am trying to figure out if she really did grab it before she left. I do remember it was an 8X10 that I saw her clutching, I have to check the pic I am thinking of to see if it was framed or not. I don't think it is strange for her to have it framed though cause that is the first thing I do...frame it and hang it for all to see. Maybe she grabbed it off the wall.

Also, Ronald had just moved into that home from another trailer nearby that was owned by the same landlord. Perhaps he didn't have pictures out or hung or handy. If LE asked for the recent picture, I am glad someone produced one. If Ronald was outside and not being allowed back into the trailer at that point all the more reason for him to tell his Mom to bring it. He did have a cell phone. I know that very little time had passed when TN arrived, but we can't possibly know or begin to understand the frenzy that was going on. Time flies and I bet a lot of things happened in a very short span of time.

Hi Elle,

The police report states that TN gave the officers a photo of HaLeigh. I don't think it was anything to do with Ronald and Misty not having one, though.

 

[cajun]

Sorry, I just do not "get" the deafening silence to my post re: ACSO reports.

Does busy already have this report?

If I request it, will I find out something bad? (Just wondering.)

Well, I don't know. Request it and see what's on it and then I guess you will know one way or another.

 

[cajun]

As far as the aerial shot goes. The lot is not obstructed at all. It is wide open. There are spaces for four trailers. On it are 101, 103,...., 107 all owned by the same person.

At one time, there must have been a trailer there and must have been removed. Good question and find would be WHEN? There are no tax records for 105. As of recent recordings 105 does not exist.

TN must have resided at that address at one time, IMO. BUT if she had moved in the past year, it makes one very suspicious of her convenient arrival time. It would make sense for her to be living in Lake County much closer to work. Driving 45 miles one way would be a hassle.

So, the question is when did she move to Lake County?

Who said she moved to Lake County?

 

[SeriouslySearching]

No I would never have thought to request TN work attendance records and am not comfortable doing so, just like I would not be comfortable requesting Maries. I really dont know what to tell you guys about the address it is the correct address on the police report. I know we have found several errors on the property appraisers site, so I don't know if that is one of the errors or not. I can try to find out more if she rents or owns and maybe that will solve some of the questions?

It is being insinuated that Teresa was involved in taking Haleigh because of where she lives, I guess. People seem to believe Teresa lied to officers about her address for some reason.

Since it is the correct address...then it is much ado about nothing.

 

[cajun]

I looked on google maps for the address and this is what it shows.
Rita Ln

Crescent City, FL 32112
(near Pomona Park)
When I looked at the map it's the same land that the Knowles have MH's which shows one of the side roads as Petit. The mobile home is facing Petit, so could this be the Petit that is in the same group of MH's.Not all the MH's on that land are listed as Rita Lane though they sit on the same piece of land.Maybe the mailing address is different than what shows on the tax records.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ei=yP1KSp20Ls6Xtgfqw92bDQ&resnum=0&q=105%20rita%20lane%2C%20pomona%20park%2Cfl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

See the property appraiser site lists the Petit property as Crescent City, the same as what google maps says Rita Ln is. All the rest of the properties say Ponoma Park. It's the only MH that says Petit which it faces.


IMO, I think Petit and Rita are the same mobile home.

 

[debs]

It is being insinuated that Teresa was involved in taking Haleigh because of where she lives, I guess. People seem to believe Teresa lied to officers about her address for some reason.

Since it is the correct address...then it is much ado about nothing.

I have seen no insinuation of the sort. I have seen people asking questions regarding her current address. There has been no "TN lives here, not there; ergo she took HaLeigh." None whatsoever.

 

[LFlorida]

Who said she moved to Lake County?

I'm pretty certain that all of her FL Dept of State Prof'l Licenses DO show Lake County addresses, not Putnam. [e.g. Cosmetology, Real Estate Salesperson]. Even her current ones have Lake County addresses, iirc.

Anyhow, TN, if you're reading this or if a friend of yours is, I'm proud of you for going back to school and getting those licenses. You've come a long way, baby! You'll recall me from Tony, Sam, Lee, Boo, Horne, etc. I'm so sorry to hear what your family is going through.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I looked on google maps for the address and this is what it shows.
Rita Ln

Crescent City, FL 32112
(near Pomona Park)
When I looked at the map it's the same area that the Knowles have MH's which shows one of the side roads as Petit. The mobile home is facing Petit, so could this be the Petit that is in the same group of MH's.Not all the MH's on that land are listed as Rita Lane though they si


t on the same land. Maybe the mailing address is different than what shows on the tax records.

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ei=yP1KSp20Ls6Xtgfqw92bDQ&resnum=0&q=105%20rita%20lane%2C%20pomona%20park%2Cfl&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

See the property appraiser site lists the Petit property as Crescent City, the same as what google maps says Rita Ln is. All the rest of the properties say Ponoma Park. It's the only MH that says Petit which it faces.


IMO, I think Petit and Rita are the same mobile home.

Excellent job, Cajun~ :clap::clap::clap: That puts that whole issue to bed. Thanks!

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I have seen no insinuation of the sort. I have seen people asking questions regarding her current address. There has been no "TN lives here, not there; ergo she took HaLeigh." None whatsoever.

Really?!

Originally Posted by BetsyB
BBM I agree that there would be no legitimate reason for her, as a law-abiding citizen, to provide false information, or to fail to note that, say, the information on her driver's license was outdated.

But we're assessing her credibility. In the information-free vacuum in which this case is suspended, there's little else to do but analyze the tiny bits and pieces we have.

It may well prove fruitless. But if RC is involved, there may be far more to TN than meets the eye. In that case, it may well become critical that she arrived on the scene almost immediately, when she's in fact living a much greater distance from the MH with her boyfriend (if this is, in fact, the case).

 

[LFlorida]

No I would never have thought to request TN work attendance records and am not comfortable doing so, just like I would not be comfortable requesting Maries. I really dont know what to tell you guys about the address it is the correct address on the police report. I know we have found several errors on the property appraisers site, so I don't know if that is one of the errors or not. I can try to find out more if she rents or owns and maybe that will solve some of the questions?

I'm sorry Busy, I know someone called the school bus depots for both Putnam and Baker Counties. Thought it was you. Forgive my error.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If she lied about her whereabouts, perhaps she was attempting to ensure that LE was delayed searching her actual residence for evidence of Haleigh. Or, if she was actually at the MH or in Satsuma earlier in the evening of Haleigh's disappearance, perhaps she lied about her whereabouts to cover that involvement up. This is, ofcourse, conjecture. But her whereabouts are relevant in the search for Haleigh, imo. Ofcourse by now, LE probably knows just where TN was that evening. All of this, ofcourse, is just my opinion.

Here is another one which to me is insinuating Teresa may have been involved in Haleigh's disappearance.

BBM