Terri obtained new cell phones from friends to avoid investigator's scrutiny

[grandmaj]

Do we know if this is a throw away or if some friends just added Terri to their regular plan? I'm not seeing anything that says throw away, or that distinguishes one way or another. Did I miss it? I think this would be important to know. Because if a friend or multiple friends just added her to their plan then those friends can just give permission for all calls to be searched.

 

[Calliope]

I want to address this.

The above quote is wildly inaccurate. It is possible for someone to listen in on an outgoing call without touching the phone (by essentially building a mini cell tower). However, that technology has only existed for the past few days... it was released at a conference for hackers.

Other than that, you can't spy on a phone that hasn't had the software necessary installed on it.

The only way someone could have done this without touching the phone would be to find an undiscovered "userland" security hole and get her to visit a website on her phone.

The only people who find these holes are EXTREMELY talented hackers and programmers who spend almost literally all day every day looking at mobile phone code. There is nothing that a police department could buy equipment wise to do this. (For reference, it's taken the team of hackers that develop iPhone unlocks 3 years to find one of these "userland" security exploits. They are extremely rare and when found they are patched with extreme urgency by the phone manufacturer).

What are the chances that someone with this skillset has been trying to monitor Terri or send texts/emails/etc from her phone?

As I said in another post... somewhere between hell freezing over and pigs flying.

Well, Kaine certainly has the 'skillset' IMO. And if necessary to actually have her phone, he'd certainly have had the opportunity.

The news station was able to do what I listed ... they were alerted to calls placed and received, listened in to the conversations without detection, were sent texts and records of calls, were able to listen in via the speaker on the phone even though it was not on. I don't believe they were lying. Another member here posted their son was able to 'hack' their phone from an app on his. I don't think that person was lying either.

 

[Charlie09]

Well, Kaine certainly has the 'skillset' IMO. And if necessary to actually have her phone, he'd certainly have had the opportunity.

The news station was able to do what I listed ... they were alerted to calls placed and received, listened in to the conversations without detection, were sent texts and records of calls, were able to listen in via the speaker on the phone even though it was not on. I don't believe they were lying. Another member here posted their son was able to 'hack' their phone from an app on his. I don't think that person was lying either.

being a business architect for Intel and related industries, and having the knowledge to hack into telephones are two completely different things.

Quite often in my experience with tech folks, they have zero interest in the hacking portion - to be good at it, takes a lot of time and would leave it's own footprints.

I personally think they only one looking at Terri's computer/phone records is LE.

 

[cluciano63]

I have a Tracfone because I use a cell phone very infrequently and don't want to have a monthly plan. I bought the phone on Ebay and then activated it on Tracfone and just buy minutes when I need them. But I do have to give a credit card and address that matches the credit card billing, so not sure how anonymous it really is. There may be other ways to buy minutes but my phone is old and does not have a card or anything that can have minutes added to it elsewhere. Terri may not have a credit card in her own name that she has access to any longer and I suppose it is possible a friend would get a phone for her and add minutes as needed.

I'm not sure if this is all indicative of guilt concerning Kyron. I think Terri would be pretty desperate at this point to have contact with anyone who is still willing to speak to her. She can't have much to do, locked away whereever she is.

In any case, patience. Time will tell. Or at least I hope it will. I just don't want to see all of these little oddities, which granted, add up to lots of suspicious behavior, detract LE from pursuing other possibilities.

 

[Deleted member 718]

http://www.cellphonedealers.org/buy...hacking-and-stalking-www-idtheftsecurity-com/

Cell Phone Hacking and Stalking

 

[SmoothOperator]

Sorry if this seems a bit off topic, but I know there have been many of us wondering about this, so I know there will be some who will sad and disappointed(as I am) to know that in the verified lawyers thread I just had one of my worst fears confirmed..

In the case of Houze(as a defense atty) that IF Terri were to tell him that she infact did kill or "disappear" Kyron and even tell where he or his remains are at(even the very location) that Houze would NOT tell this to LE, courts, etc. and would continue to re[present Terri in the trial...

As defense attys this is all under confidentiality...

I am so very upset by this, I just cannot believe that this is the way things work. I understand the guilty deserve fair trial and all of that.. But is it just me that it seems as tho the "guilty" have soo many more rights than the innocent victims and the parents of the victims whose hearts have been ripped from their very souls??? That they are left with NO CLOSURE even though their is possibly an official of the courts that knows the exact whereabouts of their baby???

I am so very upset to have this confirmed(as I was scared this was the case)

 

[Chablis]

Well, Kaine certainly has the 'skillset' IMO. And if necessary to actually have her phone, he'd certainly have had the opportunity.

The news station was able to do what I listed ... they were alerted to calls placed and received, listened in to the conversations without detection, were sent texts and records of calls, were able to listen in via the speaker on the phone even though it was not on. I don't believe they were lying. Another member here posted their son was able to 'hack' their phone from an app on his. I don't think that person was lying either.

So now Kaine hacked her phone and sent pictures of Terri to his friend?

 

[SmoothOperator]

I have a Tracfone because I use a cell phone very infrequently and don't want to have a monthly plan. I bought the phone on Ebay and then activated it on Tracfone and just buy minutes when I need them. But I do have to give a credit card and address that matches the credit card billing, so not sure how anonymous it really is. There may be other ways to buy minutes but my phone is old and does not have a card or anything that can have minutes added to it elsewhere. Terri may not have a credit card in her own name that she has access to any longer and I suppose it is possible a friend would get a phone for her and add minutes as needed.

I'm not sure if this is all indicative of guilt concerning Kyron. I think Terri would be pretty desperate at this point to have contact with anyone who is still willing to speak to her. She can't have much to do, locked away whereever she is.

In any case, patience. Time will tell. Or at least I hope it will. I just don't want to see all of these little oddities, which granted, add up to lots of suspicious behavior, detract LE from pursuing other possibilities.

Just wanted to add to this post aboe that unfortunately it is possible to purchase, activate, purchase minutes, and activate the minutes to the phone all without a credit card or any "identifiable" info being given...

We decided that for our son this pre paid type cell phone would be the appropriate way to allow him to have his first cell phone and NOT just add him to our ATT fam plan that my husband and I share(definitely later down the road we will[he's only 12 now] but felt this pre paid route would be plenty for now, as also WE buy him an allotted amount of mins per month[for calls&texts]but IF he chooses to use them up quickly then HE is responsible to purchase the mins for the remainder of that month)

All of that said when I bought him the phone at Target I happened to pay cash for both the phone and the start up 400 mins.(so I know that was untraceable) I then had the option to either "set-up" the phone via the internet OR via another phone(any phone besides the phone I was setting up be it land line or cell) It does ask you for name, address, and zip code but am fuuly sure that this could be easily, easily falsified as there is no "verifying" of any of the info given. Once set up, each month when we purchase the mins(from anywhere Kroger, Walgreens, Target, even some gas stations sell the refiil cards). So the refill card, too could be purchased with cash(again untraceable) and then once again you have an option to refill the mins via internet OR FROM THE ACTUAL PHONE(once the initial set up is done from another phone, after that each refill can be done from the actual phone itself) all done by simply calling the 800# on back of refill card and following the automated prompts entering the new refill mins sku # and waa-laa you've got your whole new months worth of mins added to your cell phone..

ONCE AGAIN ALL DONE COMPLETELY UNTRACEABLE...

So, if this is the case of what type phone Terri is now using this is the ONE way that I would be worried that she COULD indeed be hiding communications COMPLETELY from LE....

Does anyone know of what way LE would go about getting records for such type of seemingly untraceable type of cell phone??
TIA to anyone who knows?

 

[Calliope]

So now Kaine hacked her phone and sent pictures of Terri to his friend?

Where in the world did I say that????

I said Kaine has the skillset. He's a techie person. I"m sure if a reporter could figure out how to use the cellphone spyware, Kaine could too. Or even Tony, being LE.

 

[Chablis]

Where in the world did I say that????

I said Kaine has the skillset. He's a techie person. I"m sure if a reporter could figure out how to use the cellphone spyware, Kaine could too. Or even Tony, being LE.

And so would anyone who can read and is on a mission. I guess I dont understand why they are being brought up in this, I mean are you insinuating Kaine is setting her up? You dont think Kaines phone and Desiree and Tonys phones are tapped? I would bet they are, just in the case they get a mysterious call, so dont you think the cops would be able to tell, or is Kaine just that good?

 

[Wings Of Light]

Well, Kaine certainly has the 'skillset' IMO. And if necessary to actually have her phone, he'd certainly have had the opportunity.

The news station was able to do what I listed ... they were alerted to calls placed and received, listened in to the conversations without detection, were sent texts and records of calls, were able to listen in via the speaker on the phone even though it was not on. I don't believe they were lying. Another member here posted their son was able to 'hack' their phone from an app on his. I don't think that person was lying either.

Kaine doesn't work for a cell phone manufacturer. He doesn't spend all day working on cell phone code. Working at a tech company does not automatically mean he can do anything. The skill you would need is HIGHLY specialized.

What you are describing a news station doing is illegal. I can guarantee you that a news station did not bug someone's phone without consent. The only way you can legally listen in on someone's phone calls, or view their texts, is if you are law enforcement and have a warrant.

And yes, you can do some stuff you described, and theoretically all of it, if you have access to the phones and can install software on them. If it's not a smartphone though, that would be once again become extremely difficult.

Oh... and that video with the two women. I don't want to call them liars, but... they are claiming that someone did this across different phones, different numbers, etc. Absolutely impossible. It was a probably a student from their kids school who knew the daughters number, and was able to get it again. The rest of their story isn't technically possible.

 

[debs]

I would think LE would have told KH not to take Terri off their phone plan and keep paying for her phone so they could keep tabs on her. It sounds like she knew they'd be keeping tabs on her and thought a new phone would allow her to skirt detection.

Or her attorney advised her that they were most likely to be bugging her, since she didn't get an attorney until after Kaine had left the house, when it would appear she was engaged in sexting with MC, and well, we all know about that now, don't we.

 

[Emeralgem]

So now Kaine hacked her phone and sent pictures of Terri to his friend?

LOL..Unbelievable and mind boggling to say the least...JMO.

Edit.. Not to mention totally absurd..JMO

 

[SmoothOperator]

AGAIN...

This is not even a possibility... Yes there are all kinds of hackware, hack gear, etc all over this forsaken world wide web. Some works, some half-azz works, MOST is BS.. But ALL is traceable by LE/FBI technology with regards to electronic communication... Those "hacky" "trick" apps and such are nothing but childsplay for LE/FBI... So please don't anyone think "seriously" this is what was happening on Terri's phone, and might I remind MC fully ADMITTED to the inappropriate sexting, graphic sexual activity[<-depiction of], etc that he took part in with Terri...

And it seems as though this is being speculated as a "possibility" as I below referenced earlier as a question
(I mean is it going to be implied that someone also "remotely" planted all the communication w/landscaper to murder her husband(not to mention the similar in nature regarding sexual overtones that she had w/landscaper, as well as MC), all of this "remotely" hacked&planted in Terri's cell?? Would not Houze be having a "field day" with that? And if Terri's not guilty of Kyron, and now not guilty of this inappropriate behaviors she has engaged in? Then exactly why is she not FULLY cooperating(& I'll clarify not being an open book if not guilty so they can move on to real perp, instead of cat&mouse games), not shouting from rooftops&certainly not immediately restoring rights to her baby?

And adding a respectfully snipped portion from Charlie09 that says also what I have been saying...TRACEABLE... esp. for LE/FBI

~snip

[hacking of a cell phone] takes a lot of time and would leave it's own footprints.

~end snip

 

[debs]

So now Kaine hacked her phone and sent pictures of Terri to his friend?

The possibility is there, the potential to do it existed, and so now all we're weighing is the likelihood, and probability.

Just saying.

 

[grandmaj]

JVM is covering this now. Experts saying whomever did give Terri a phone could possibly be charged after the fact possibly as an Accessory.

Still no word on what type of phone it is. Mike Brooks saying even the throw away phones can be tracked by the carrier. Mike said type of phone is unknown at this time..... that is when he said throw away can be tracked by by the carrier.

 

[Wings Of Light]

I am so very upset by this, I just cannot believe that this is the way things work. I understand the guilty deserve fair trial and all of that.. But is it just me that it seems as tho the "guilty" have soo many more rights than the innocent victims and the parents of the victims whose hearts have been ripped from their very souls??? That they are left with NO CLOSURE even though their is possibly an official of the courts that knows the exact whereabouts of their baby???

I am so very upset to have this confirmed(as I was scared this was the case)

There are a variety of (very good) reasons why the system works the way it does in this regard. If you are interested, you can search google and read some articles. Suffice to say, it may seem unfair, but it's not.

Furthermore, if people had to worry about their attorney's turning them in, they would just not confess anything criminal to them.

(More disturbing. Most guilty people who get caught agree to plea to a lower offense in exchange for a reduced sentence. Whereas innocent people will almost always go to trial to fight for their lives... and when they get convicted, they get much harsher sentences. I.e. A guilty person charged with a crime often does less time than an innocent person convicted of the same crime.)

 

[Chablis]

The possibility is there, the potential to do it existed, and so now all we're weighing is the likelihood, and probability.

Just saying.

And the FBI, and LE would not know? So Kaines phone isn't bugged? We have no way of really knowing, but I can't imagine it not being bugged. So Kaine has all these capabilities to torture Terri, but the cops would not be able to tell because Kaine is good at stuff like this? I mean is there really any proof? If her phone was compromised in any way, LE would know about it. Oh, and silence from her end, no refuting it at all...

 

[SmoothOperator]

JVM is covering this now. Experts saying whomever did give Terri a phone could possibly be charged after the fact possibly.

Still no word on what type of phone it is. Mike Brooks saying even the throw away phones can be tracked by the carrier.

:woohoo: (the woo-hoo in reference to the above BBM)
That answers my one concern about possibly being able to get away with untraceable communications... I love it!!!
(and since the patriot act it is a known fact that it should be expected that our convos on electronic communication
devices are able to looked at and listened to without our knowledge)


If an unfortunate circumstance such as a fairly close family member be possibly involved in a major crime, thus by proxy find my communications looked into, though I may be embarrassed if my angry email or text to my mom was revealed, but nothing I would be fearful and definitely not worried about being prosecuted for of any of these being known..(but then again I'm a person innocent of any criminal activity)

 

[1Chump]

Sorry if this seems a bit off topic, but I know there have been many of us wondering about this, so I know there will be some who will sad and disappointed(as I am) to know that in the verified lawyers thread I just had one of my worst fears confirmed..

In the case of Houze(as a defense atty) that IF Terri were to tell him that she infact did kill or "disappear" Kyron and even tell where he or his remains are at(even the very location) that Houze would NOT tell this to LE, courts, etc. and would continue to re[present Terri in the trial...

As defense attys this is all under confidentiality...

I am so very upset by this, I just cannot believe that this is the way things work. I understand the guilty deserve fair trial and all of that.. But is it just me that it seems as tho the "guilty" have soo many more rights than the innocent victims and the parents of the victims whose hearts have been ripped from their very souls??? That they are left with NO CLOSURE even though their is possibly an official of the courts that knows the exact whereabouts of their baby???

I am so very upset to have this confirmed(as I was scared this was the case)

IMO, Houze would not continue to represent her. His ability to defend her would be severly hampered by such a confession. Because while attorneys cannot violate the privilege, they also cannot suborn perjury.