Terri: Waved Goodbye at 8:45/Left School at 9:00 -- Significance

[Jules71]

That part of the scenario is possible. Of course she COULD have waved good-bye to Kyron at 8:45 and stuck around looking at exhibits by herself (and maybe with Baby K) for another 15 minutes. BUT, it is the part about having left at 9:00 am (according to her own words in the email) from the school and driving to the FM store 7 miles away, parking, possibly unloading her baby, walking, shopping, and having a time-stamped receipt for 12 minutes later that defies reality.

my thoughts

ITA! Wonder what she told LE? Did she leave AT 9, or around 9? It is possible she left just after saying goodbye to Kyron at 8:45, drove to FM and walked into Starbucks in FM and got that receipt. Why would she say in her email after going over it with LE 5 times that she left at 9?

 

[eyes4crime]

If I read correctly - Terri, by her own admission, left school about 9:00am. She has a time-stamped receipt to show she was at FM at 9:12.

Was she given the receipt by someone?

Was there a hand-off of Kyron at the first or second FM? Or no handoff? Why go to the 1st FM at all? :waitasec:

 

[SusieMom]

Personally, I think looking for a big discrepancy here is a stretch.

I think she could have heard the 8:45 bell, just after she said goodbye to Kyron. Walked out to her truck, perhaps talking to someone along the way (or not).. go to the truck, took Baby K out of the stroller, put her in the carseat, transferred her diaper bag and/or purse, folded up the stroller put it in the truck.

Likely by then it was probably nearer 8:55 then 9:00 but I don't think its unreasonable that someone would be off by 5 min esp when its at the top of the hour. Clearly, since she got to the FM and checked out by 9:12 (or so the FM reciept says, it, too could be off by some margin) then its reasonable to think she left the school a few minutes before 9pm.

I just don't see anything hinky here, personally... MOO and all that.

 

[seeking truth]

According to LE, Kryon was last seen at 9:00. Also, according to LE, Terri was the last person to see Kyron. 1+1 = 2.

Terry says she left the school at 9:00. (The same time as LE indicates that Kyron was last seen, Terri being the last person to see him.)

Obviously, the 8:45 time of the school bell ringing could not be the last time Terri saw Kyron. However, that is what she has claimed. Why would she claim that?

BBM

Great post and very intriguing question, STEADFAST.

When she wrote to her friend the following day (June 5th) about leaving the school at 9:00am, was this before or after she told LE she waved good-bye to Kyron at 8:45am? Sounds like it must have been after. The investigators must have already gone over her movements with her prior to this email; which in itself raises the question of why she moved the time up, making her FM alibi raise red flags. She must have been trying to cover up something more important in her story.

I take her email as complete farce, an attempt at alibiing herself, though she blew it royally.

My opinions.

 

[TechWriter797]

<snipped> From what posters are saying, it would have been nigh impossible to get into that store and purchase an item by 9:12 a.m. if she left Skyline at 9:00 a.m. What does that mean?

Do we know that the time stamped on the FM receipt is accurate? The clocks where I work were running 8 minutes fast yesterday and I had to call in a report for Maintenance.

 

[froginTtown]

Is the reciept from starbucks coffee or from the actual FM store...??? TIA... I'm curious because, IIRC, the starbuck employee's don't remember seeing her in there. and Ithink they have testified.. If I'm wrong...PLEASE.. let me know...

 

[angelmom]

I've never been in a FM, so can someone tell me if they have a Starbucks up front like some of the Targets around here?

Am I remembering correctly that the 9:12 receipt was for Starbucks? Or did I dream that up? (if no, you can stop reading now. I am :crazy

B/c I was thinking about the shopping/looking for something. What if she left around 9 (the quotes from LE say "about" even though the media keeps saying "at 9"), went to FM, bought a Starbucks on the way in - and if you have a SB card it goes pretty fast - and then looked for the medicine for Baby K?

I don't know. The timeline is bugging me. If it wasn't really her at the FM, I think that would be way easy to check. I think we would have seen some movement by now if that were the case. And if it was TH somehow, where was Kyron while she was shopping? I cannot imagine the risk of leaving him in the truck. Too many nosy people in the world!

Just my :twocents: as someone who has had hidden stuff stolen from a truck on 2 separate occasions, so I know people look in!

 

[seeking truth]

Hi seeking truth,
You seem to have a view similar to mine about alot of what Terri , in our opinions, did in regards to pre-planning, executing, and post-wrap up of her "loose ends".. That being the case I'd like to know what your opinion is of another specific aspect of this case[and yes slightly O/T and if further discussion is wanted/needed we can of course move to appropriate thread to elaborate or further discuss]

Concerning the dr. appt, IMO Ms. Porter knows full well what Terri told her concerning this appt. The info of this appt was NOT given weeks prior to Kyron going missing rather at the very most was within hours of Kyron's disappearance. So no matter if Terri told her this on Thurs or Fri. these words spoken by Terri to Ms. Porter were still extremely fresh in her mind and IMO even likely that she does remember verbatim exactly what Terri said to her. Remember Terri is the one saying the teacher "confused", "mixed up" what Terri had said about the dr appt, thus IMO "planting" this thought in minds that the teacher was confused.

IMO the teacher was not confused at all. She has known since the moment Terri made the statement about appt EXACTLY WHAT TERRI SAID, not confused, mixed up, or thinks she possibly "mis-heard" Terri. I think that this statement was known to LE by late afternoon of the 4th and is one of the deciding factors steering the investigations focus on Terri from so early on.

So would u agree that this was also part of the "Terri plot" falling into the post-wrap up to furthermore confuse/excuse the appt situation?..
I am almost certain at this point that something similar is the case. I mean think about it she is the one who has put in everyone's mind that there was some sort of confusion on the teachers part. Nothing or no one else points to anything even remotely similar in nature further firming my belief that it is Terri's words that have put this thought out there and it has successfully worked thus far. If you speak to anyone with knowledge of this case about the appt aspect of the case they will bring up that there is confusion surrounding the statement made about the appt to the teacher..

My point is IMO this teacher more than likely has been crystal clear from the moment the words left Terri's mouth and reached K. Porter's ears..

Thoughts? [as I said we can move to appropriate thread if need be]

Hi, SmoothOperator,

I am in complete agreement with you. It is TERRI who was using this teacher and it is TERRI who stated that the teacher was confused. (Classic!)

All part of the plan, all needing to be spoken about AFTER the fact. I believe that this teacher is already one of LE's best witnesses and that is why we are not hearing from her. (I also bet that she hears just fine...or that if she does have a hearing disability, she wears hearing aids and also reads lips; not to mention she witnessed any paperwork having to do with Kyron's Dr. appointment; if such even exists).

I wish I didn't know, but maybe like many here, I have listened to and experienced chronic (pathological) liars. I have found that one of their main tactics is to claim that the people they have interacted with and who are now unwittingly involved in their plots and lies and cruelties are indeed labeled CONFUSED, and maybe mentally or physically challenged, or are somehow "bad."

Basically, these types of liars degrade those that know the truth in order to try and convince others that they are not lying.

Terri appears to be a pathological liar and has probably lived this way much of her life. Unfortunately for her, she thought that what works in other situations, and with maybe one or two unsuspecting people, WILL NOT WORK when a precious human being goes missing and many caring and intelligent people are looking into what REALLY went down.

My thoughts on this and my OPINIONS.

 

[debs]

It's just adding more and more people into a conspiracy for Terri-as-perp......right now we have Terri's statement of a "male chaperone"; TP's statement of a "sub" talking to the teacher; someone sitting in Terri's truck while she was inside with Kyron; someone at the FM to get a receipt time-stamped sometime after 9 a.m. which was in fact stamped 9:12 a.m.; someone else to hand Kyron off to; and tracking down the gal from the gym who she just HAD to show Kyron's pics from the SF to; not to mention DeDe checking in to work at 9 a.m........oh I could go on.....

Even the most probable situation, that Terri herself took Kyron from the school, falls into the sticky basket of how did Terri get to FM and get that receipt. There's a conspirator in the truck, we know DeDe is at work, who was it, exactly then, at the FM to get the receipt at a reasonable driving time if Terri leaves Skyline at 9 a.m.? If the conspirator in the truck is there to help Terri dispose of the body, when do they get the chance to do that? I assume that perhaps the conspirator in the truck had his/her car waiting there and transferred Kyron to their own vehicle and off they went. But then it leaves how it is that Terri had another person getting that receipt, and what is it they know about why Terri needed one after 9 a.m. So that's three, and that's leaving OUT DeDe.

This is not only problematic but just FUBAR.

 

[loves2bmom]

Personally, I think looking for a big discrepancy here is a stretch.

I think she could have heard the 8:45 bell, just after she said goodbye to Kyron. Walked out to her truck, perhaps talking to someone along the way (or not).. go to the truck, took Baby K out of the stroller, put her in the carseat, transferred her diaper bag and/or purse, folded up the stroller put it in the truck.

Likely by then it was probably nearer 8:55 then 9:00 but I don't think its unreasonable that someone would be off by 5 min esp when its at the top of the hour. Clearly, since she got to the FM and checked out by 9:12 (or so the FM reciept says, it, too could be off by some margin) then its reasonable to think she left the school a few minutes before 9pm.

I just don't see anything hinky here, personally... MOO and all that.

I agree with you. Personally, I think it's later in the morning where her timeline is being questioned. But I do see how it is incredibly tight to get from the school to her receipt time. Tight...but possible.

 

[pdxWOHM]

Is the reciept from starbucks coffee or from the actual FM store...??? TIA... I'm curious because, IIRC, the starbuck employee's don't remember seeing her in there. and Ithink they have testified.. If I'm wrong...PLEASE.. let me know...

I don't think there is anything strange about the Starbucks Employees not remembering her. it would be more strange if they did. I doubt they could remember what a customer looked like that they served 15 minutes ago, let alone several weeks later.

 

[debs]

I don't think there is anything strange about the Starbucks Employees not remembering her. it would be more strange if they did. I doubt they could remember what a customer looked like that they served 15 minutes ago, let alone several weeks later.

If it was Terri's habit to wander aimlessly after dropping off Kyron, it could be that she met some friends at the Starbucks occasionally. Given her red hair, it's possible it made her more memorable.

 

[STEADFAST]

That part of the scenario is possible. Of course she COULD have waved good-bye to Kyron at 8:45 and stuck around looking at exhibits by herself (and maybe with Baby K) for another 15 minutes. BUT, it is the part about having left at 9:00 am (according to her own words in the email) from the school and driving to the FM store 7 miles away, parking, possibly unloading her baby, walking, shopping, and having a time-stamped receipt for 12 minutes later that defies reality.

my thoughts

Plus LE saying that Kyron was last seen at 9:00 and that Terri was the last person to see him. (June 18 PC)

 

[SmoothOperator]

It's just adding more and more people into a conspiracy for Terri-as-perp......right now we have Terri's statement of a "male chaperone"; TP's statement of a "sub" talking to the teacher; someone sitting in Terri's truck while she was inside with Kyron; someone at the FM to get a receipt time-stamped sometime after 9 a.m. which was in fact stamped 9:12 a.m.; someone else to hand Kyron off to; and tracking down the gal from the gym who she just HAD to show Kyron's pics from the SF to; not to mention DeDe checking in to work at 9 a.m........oh I could go on.....

Even the most probable situation, that Terri herself took Kyron from the school, falls into the sticky basket of how did Terri get to FM and get that receipt. There's a conspirator in the truck, we know DeDe is at work, who was it, exactly then, at the FM to get the receipt at a reasonable driving time if Terri leaves Skyline at 9 a.m.? If the conspirator in the truck is there to help Terri dispose of the body, when do they get the chance to do that? I assume that perhaps the conspirator in the truck had his/her car waiting there and transferred Kyron to their own vehicle and off they went. But then it leaves how it is that Terri had another person getting that receipt, and what is it they know about why Terri needed one after 9 a.m. So that's three, and that's leaving OUT DeDe.

This is not only problematic but just FUBAR.

I agree it is FUBAR and sad above all else IMO. BUT something happened to Kyron and according to the tiny bits of info LE have released(and I am glad they are keeping tight lipped to protect the integrity of the entire investigation so that when the time comes they will have no problem prosecuting the guilty party(s) for "whatever" has been done to that innocent little boy, kyron) but the little that is known the focus is Terri and it very much seems to indicate she did indeed have assistance of some degree at some point in this. So as FUBAR as this seems to be now I THINK when we are privy to all LE knows& will know when the truth finally is revealed FUBAR WILL BE A VERY MILD DESCRIPTION OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. jmo.



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[Jade2010]

If LE has the receipt you would think that they have inside video, inside FM, of whomever was checking out at the register at that exact time.

Maybe I watch too many crime stories and that is just a rarity that that happens, such video is available.

 

[STEADFAST]

This is what I am beginning to envision:

Initial formal interview with LE:
"Okay, when again did you last see Kyron?" "Like I told you, at 8:45 a.m. when I dropped him off near his classroom." "And then what did you do?" "Well, I went to FM to get baby medicine." "Did you actually buy anything there?" "Yes. I even have a receipt!"
Subsequent LE interview:
"Okay Terri, we would like you to go over with us what happened again the day Kyron disappeared. I know you have told the story several times but we need to be very clear and sure." [TH thereafter gives her story once again]. "Terri, here's the thing. We are having a problem understanding your time line. You say you left Kyron at 8:45 a.m. and then went to FM. Well, we have witness who saw you at the school at 9:00 a.m. She says she saw you by the south entrance and was sure of the time because she had just checked her watch since she had to be somewhere at 9:30 a.m. Another witness also said she saw you at around 9:00 a.m.. Can you clarify that?" "Oh, that's right. I went to look around at other exhibits after I dropped Kyron off. So, I did leave at 9:00 a.m. but I last saw Kyron at 8:45 a.m."
Now TH is beginning to worry. LE has asked her her story several times. They found a discrepancy. She had to change her story. She feels nervous about that. What else did she miss? She feels the need to memorialize the new facts so she can prove to herself and anyone else that they make sense and do not make her look suspicious. Hence, the e-mail to her friend. But, like most criminals, she could not foolproof the entire thing. Now that she knows someone saw her at 9:00 a.m., the possibility of an FM purchase at 9:12 a.m. does not make sense. She soon realizes it's time to get a lawyer.

That's exactly how I think it went down, too. Great post, gitana! I really makes the email, the presser statement and the time changing make sense!.

 

[Emeralgem]

She isn't; TP stated he saw Kyron around 9 a.m.

Doing what?
Is this the liitle boy who stated Kyron told him that morning he was going to look at a cool electrical project?
I have a problem with that time IF the child claimed it was at 9:00 am due to the fact the children would have already been in their classrooms and getting ready to tour the exhibits with either the teacher or with the volunteers..JMHO

 

[Jade2010]

IF Terri planned all this, was smart enough to get a receipt and everything else, she is smart enough NOT to offer she has one, but rather have LE ask. IMO MOO

 

[froginTtown]

I really, really, want to know who was in that truck and why Terri didn't "mention" it to detectives... The detective don't think it was DeDe...

 

[loves2bmom]

I've never been in a FM, so can someone tell me if they have a Starbucks up front like some of the Targets around here?

Am I remembering correctly that the 9:12 receipt was for Starbucks? Or did I dream that up? (if no, you can stop reading now. I am :crazy

B/c I was thinking about the shopping/looking for something. What if she left around 9 (the quotes from LE say "about" even though the media keeps saying "at 9"), went to FM, bought a Starbucks on the way in - and if you have a SB card it goes pretty fast - and then looked for the medicine for Baby K?

I don't know. The timeline is bugging me. If it wasn't really her at the FM, I think that would be way easy to check. I think we would have seen some movement by now if that were the case. And if it was TH somehow, where was Kyron while she was shopping? I cannot imagine the risk of leaving him in the truck. Too many nosy people in the world!

Just my :twocents: as someone who has had hidden stuff stolen from a truck on 2 separate occasions, so I know people look in!

There is nothing in any of the reports that indicate what she bought on that 9:12 receipt. Some were speculating it was Starbucks because of the witnesses that were called to the GJ and TH's own email that said she didn't find the medicine in the first store....so what would she have bought? Coffee seemed like it was a possibility.

Yes, the Starbucks is near the front of the store, however, it's closer to the Southeast Entrance and the photo LE gave of the parking lot alluded to her parking straight out from the Northeast Entrance. It's a BIG store.

Photo courtesy of Freefallzzzzz:
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