Terri: Waved Goodbye at 8:45/Left School at 9:00 -- Significance

[loves2bmom]

If LE has the receipt you would think that they have inside video, inside FM, of whomever was checking out at the register at that exact time.

Maybe I watch too many crime stories and that is just a rarity that that happens, such video is available.

I'm pretty sure they have all of that!

 

[RubyRed]

Is the reciept from starbucks coffee or from the actual FM store...??? TIA... I'm curious because, IIRC, the starbuck employee's don't remember seeing her in there. and Ithink they have testified.. If I'm wrong...PLEASE.. let me know...

I don't remember hearing anything other than they had testified at the GJ.
So I don't know if they did or didn't see her. I may have missed it though.

 

[human]

Doing what?
Is this the liitle boy who stated Kyron told him that morning he was going to look at a cool electrical project?
I have a problem with that time IF the child claimed it was at 9:00 am due to the fact the children would have already been in their classrooms and getting ready to tour the exhibits with either the teacher or with the volunteers..JMHO

I don't think there is any indication of what time that child saw Kyron.

 

[BeanE]

Plus LE saying that Kyron was last seen at 9:00 and that Terri was the last person to see him. (June 18 PC)

Except that when Staton said 9:00, he said that was by a student who had been interviewed.

When LE, a few weeks later, on June 18, said Terri was the last person to see Kyron, they didn't give a time.

For both to be so, I think the student they interviewed who said he/she saw him at 9:00 must have turned out later to be Terri in disguise?

 

[BeanE]

I don't think there is any indication of what time that child saw Kyron.

Approximately 8:45

Multnomah County Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates said Kyron's stepmother brought him to school for a school science fair and last saw Kyron near his classroom at about 8:45 a.m.

TP, Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project.

 

[STEADFAST]

Except that when Staton said 9:00, he said that was by a student who had been interviewed.

When LE, a few weeks later, on June 18, said Terri was the last person to see Kyron, they didn't give a time.

For both to be so, I think the student they interviewed who said he/she saw him at 9:00 must have turned out later to be Terri in disguise?

Not at all. If a student saw Kyron with Terri at 9:00, and then the student turned and left from that sight, Terri (being with Kyron as the student left) would be the last known person to see Kyron. Unless she had her eyes closed, I guess.

However, certain information could have been obtained between those two LE statements that not only changed their minds about who the last known person to see Kyron was (Terri) but also the time he was seen. Maybe there is some reason they didn't release information about the time. It could be that Terri last seeing him wasn't at 9:00 at all. But whenever it was, according to LE, no one saw him afterwards.

 

[STEADFAST]

Approximately 8:45

Multnomah County Sheriff's Capt. Jason Gates said Kyron's stepmother brought him to school for a school science fair and last saw Kyron near his classroom at about 8:45 a.m.

TP, Kyron's classmate, said he last saw his friend at about the same time when Kyron told him he was headed to look at another student's science project.

So Kyron was last seen sometime after TP saw him, since LE told us he was seen as late as 9:00 (and that Terri was the last person to see him.)

 

[BeanE]

Not at all. If a student saw Kyron with Terri at 9:00, and then the student turned and left from that sight, Terri (being with Kyron as the student left) would be the last known person to see Kyron. Unless she had her eyes closed, I guess.

However, certain information could have been obtained between those two LE statements that not only changed their minds about who the last known person to see Kyron was (Terri) but also the time he was seen. Maybe there is some reason they didn't release information about the time. It could be that Terri last seeing him wasn't at 9:00 at all. But whenever it was, according to LE, no one saw him afterwards.

Well LE said the student was the last known person when they said 9:00. If they turned and left then Terri would be the last known person, and the 9:00 from LE wouldn't apply.

Again, it's one or the other, not both - according to LE, that is.

After the 9:00 statement, I believe it was on June 11, Staton said that nobody saw Kyron leave the building. So according to the same LE that said 9:00, nobody saw Kyron leave the building at that point.

It may well be that other info came out later, but in that case, the 9:00, and the student as last known person, don't apply.

If one thing is true, then another can't be, you know? If we pick a, b, and c as the truths we're going by, then we do so knowing that x, y, and z can't also be true.

 

[Aedrys]

Personally, I think looking for a big discrepancy here is a stretch.

I think she could have heard the 8:45 bell, just after she said goodbye to Kyron. Walked out to her truck, perhaps talking to someone along the way (or not).. go to the truck, took Baby K out of the stroller, put her in the carseat, transferred her diaper bag and/or purse, folded up the stroller put it in the truck.

Likely by then it was probably nearer 8:55 then 9:00 but I don't think its unreasonable that someone would be off by 5 min esp when its at the top of the hour. Clearly, since she got to the FM and checked out by 9:12 (or so the FM reciept says, it, too could be off by some margin) then its reasonable to think she left the school a few minutes before 9pm.

I just don't see anything hinky here, personally... MOO and all that.

BBM. I think that is what she expected LE to think. Why, she has a receipt! She had to be there at that time if there's a receipt! But that's not true, especially if someone else got her that receipt. I bet she wasn't expecting LE to go past that receipt and look at store video. I bet she figured having that receipt in hand would be enough. And that's where she was wrong.

She was going for reasonable here so that she wouldn't be suspected. Someone said she'd be smart enough to not offer the receipt, but I think that's EXACTLY what she did, probably before LE even asked her about it. She thought a receipt would clear her. She didn't know, though, that LE just doesn't take your word or a receipt for anything. They are going to thoroughly check it out, including scanning video from cameras and timing the drive.

The more I look at it, the more I think this was planning meant to be reasonable, but it wasn't good enough to pass LE muster. And Terri shot herself in the foot by saying later that it was 9am when she left. Regardless of a receipt, if she's claiming she left at 9am (and she is someone, to me, that deals in absolutes, not just estimates), that doesn't match up with how much time it would take to get there and get that receipt. Sadly, if she had stuck with 8:45, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.

 

[Emeralgem]

I don't think there is any indication of what time that child saw Kyron.

But, it has been posted on this thread that TP said he saw him around 9:00am..

I'm confused..

 

[BeanE]

So Kyron was last seen sometime after TP saw him, since LE told us he was seen as late as 9:00 (and that Terri was the last person to see him.)

Student (TP) at 8:45, different student at 9:00, Terri who knows when. I don't know, Steadfast. I really don't. Wish I did.

 

[Pugnolia]

Terri (or an accomplice) got her stamped receipt at 9:12.

I feel she (or an accomplice) just wanted to get any kind of receipt as fast as she could.

She says she went to FM looking for medicine for baby K and they did not have what she needed.

My belief is her stamped receipt was for coffee at Starbucks. (Quick in and out ...)

Who saves those kind of receipts?

Was it specifically said that the receipt was at FM's?

Is there a Starbucks connected to FM?

I believe I heard there was ...

 

[Wenmars]

The question is..did anyone else see her while she was viewing the other exhibits?

 

[Pugnolia]

IF Terri planned all this, was smart enough to get a receipt and everything else, she is smart enough NOT to offer she has one, but rather have LE ask. IMO MOO

Very true. When might they have asked for it? That night? The next day? Why would she have it with her if it was from Starbucks? I usually throw mine right away. Seems hinky to me!

 

[cypress]

I never carry cash. I always use my debit card. Consequently, I save all my receipts. Also, we know Kaine controlled the money, per his own words, and so if Terri spent anything she may have had to give an account to him, and so it makes sense why she would have the receipt and why she would be hyper-aware of having a receipt.

 

[MysteryAddict]

Are you saying the testimony from the friend is wrong? I'm not sure I follow?
I do agree there are problems with her timeline though and wondering what she bought if anything at both stores.

Finally, I'm getting around to answering your question...

By saying.. I even suspect the story of TH's friend about the second FM..
I just mean that, I want to see proof of both FM 1 and FM 2.

I question everything in this case and we do know that several of Terri's friends
bought her bat phones. Why should we suspect Dede of being involved and
not Andrea? Maybe not, but who knows what other friends helped her out in
some way?

 

[debirlfan]

Leave/wave good-bye to Kyron in the school at 8:45.

Walk down hall, talk to people, people oohhhing and ahhhing over baby K, get to car, load stroller, buckle in Baby K...wow its 9:00AM already and just leaving the school.


Nope, no discrepancy at all.

Actually, I think the 9am time was an approximation - there's a definite time of when she waved to him (bell at 8:45) and a definite time of when she checked out of the store (receipt says 9:12). I'm assuming she wasn't checking the clock as she got the baby into the car/drove off, so that time is going to be a guess. Given the 9:12 receipt, I'd assume she actually left the school closer to 8:50 or 8:55.

 

[debirlfan]

Terri (or an accomplice) got her stamped receipt at 9:12.

I feel she (or an accomplice) just wanted to get any kind of receipt as fast as she could.

She says she went to FM looking for medicine for baby K and they did not have what she needed.

My belief is her stamped receipt was for coffee at Starbucks. (Quick in and out ...)

Who saves those kind of receipts?

Was it specifically said that the receipt was at FM's?

Is there a Starbucks connected to FM?

I believe I heard there was ...

Don't know about anybody else, but if I run in and grab a coffee or something along those lines, I generally give them a five (or a ten) and they give me back my change with the receipt and I'm juggling my coffee and just shove the whole mess into my pocket (I don't carry a purse - if I did, I'd undoubtedly dump it in the purse.)

Might take a while to find the next day - but digging thru pockets should produce it.

 

[STEADFAST]

Student (TP) at 8:45, different student at 9:00, Terri who knows when. I don't know, Steadfast. I really don't. Wish I did.

I wish I did, too, BeanE. If Terri's story made sense or even stayed consistent and was corroborated by anyone, I think we would know.

My rule on the last known person to see a missing person is that I will give them the benefit of the doubt UNLESS their story changes or it makes no sense or both. I've seen a lot of cases on here, and I've never seen an exception to that rule. (. . . although some are still pending, like Haleigh, Gabriel, Susan Powell, etc.)

 

[Dee10]

Does Starbucks give receipts? The coffee chain I go to only gives a receipt if you ask, so I am wondering if it is usual.