Terri: Waved Goodbye at 8:45/Left School at 9:00 -- Significance

[STEADFAST]

Does Starbucks give receipts? The coffee chain I go to only gives a receipt if you ask, so I am wondering if it is usual.

Yes, I've got a purse full of them and nowhere to turn them in!

 

[BeanE]

I wish I did, too, BeanE. If Terri's story made sense or even stayed consistent and was corroborated by anyone, I think we would know.

My rule on the last known person to see a missing person is that I will give them the benefit of the doubt UNLESS their story changes or it makes no sense or both. I've seen a lot of cases on here, and I've never seen an exception to that rule.

It makes sense and is consistent to me. She told LE 8:45, she emailed 9:00. When I talk to my friends, I frequently round up or down. That's how most people talk in casual conversation. It's just not important to be precise to the minute in casual conversation.

Where it's important to be precise is when one is talking to LE. She told them, according to reports, 8:45. That's what I count as the official time she claims she last saw Kyron.

This is just no big deal.

 

[Angie4b1g]

If I was emailing a friend and telling them what time I left the school, I'd probably just round it off. I wouldn't say "I left the school at 8:52", I would just say 9.

 

[STEADFAST]

If I was emailing a friend and telling them what time I left the school, I'd probably just round it off. I wouldn't say "I left the school at 8:52", I would just say 9.

But Terri was very exact about the other times in the email -- 9:12, 11:20, 12:20, 12:45, so why would she just guestimate the most important time of all? "I left at 9."
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/100415079.html

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Re: FM receipt. I'll admit up front that I'm having trouble keeping up on the Kyron board today/tonight, but I seem to recall something about Terri having to go to two different FMs (or another store) in search of the proper OTC medication for Baby K. If she purchased the medication at 9:12 AM per receipt, when did TH go to the store that didn't have said med?

I'm having difficulty buying the departure from Skyline at 9:00, driving 7 miles, going into the store to get the medication, and checking out at 9:12. Did Terri take Baby K into the store? Was the child left alone in the car or was someone with TH to watch the baby? The machinations of removing a toddler from her carseat to take her into the store would have taken a few minutes, imo. That said, if it was necessary for Terri to visit two stores to find the correct medication, there is no way that she did all of this in 12 minutes. I don't think Mary Poppins could accomplish such a feat

 

[STEADFAST]

It makes sense and is consistent to me. She told LE 8:45, she emailed 9:00. When I talk to my friends, I frequently round up or down. That's how most people talk in casual conversation. It's just not important to be precise to the minute in casual conversation.

Where it's important to be precise is when one is talking to LE. She told them, according to reports, 8:45. That's what I count as the official time she claims she last saw Kyron.

This is just no big deal.

I think it's a big deal. She changed the time, and the change just happened to coincide with the last time Kyron was seen.

Not only that, but if your stance is that 8:45 is the official time Terri says she last saw Kyron, then she must be lying, since the most up-to-date information we have from LE is that Kyron was last seen at 9:00 and Terri was the last person to see him. (June 7 pc and June 18 pc, respectively)

If Kyron was last seen at 9:00 and LE believed Terri that she last saw him at 8:45, they would not say that she was the last person to see him because whoever it is that saw him at 9:00 would be the last person to see him.

 

[nurseratchett]

I have some doubts that "the receipt" of 0912 is for Starbucks. The reason I don't is because the Starbucks manager they interviewed about her employees testifying at the GJ, and her not recalling seeing TH that day, was standing in front of her workplace, a freestanding Starbucks, not one inside of a Fred Meyers. I suspect those 2 employees of hers are testifying because either TH says she did stop there, or the employees do recall seeing her that day.
Although I freely admit I have been known to visit Starbux more than once a day, but rarely.

 

[BeanE]

I think it's a big deal. She changed the time, and the change just happened to coincide with the last time Kyron was seen.

Not only that, but if your stance is that 8:45 is the official time Terri says she last saw Kyron, then she must be lying, since the most up-to-date information we have from LE is that Kyron was last seen at 9:00 and Terri was the last person to see him. (June 7 pc and June 18 pc, respectively)

If Kyron was last seen at 9:00 and LE believed Terri that she last saw him at 8:45, they would not say that she was the last person to see him because whoever it is that saw him at 9:00 would be the last person to see him.

Steadfast, Staton said 9:00 was by a student. Not Terri. You can't change what the man said.

 

[debs]

But Terri was very exact about the other times in the email -- 9:12, 11:20, 12:20, 12:45, so why would she just guestimate the most important time of all? "I left at 9."
http://www.komonews.com/news/local/100415079.html

Because these times can be verified with time stamped proof. Saying goodbye to your son, getting your daughter into the truck, driving along roads til you get to your destination.......flex time. I would imagine she didn't think it was important to mark the time when she actually saw Kyron last and left the school. I'd say she measured from the time of the bell and guessed.

 

[loves2bmom]

Finally, I'm getting around to answering your question...

By saying.. I even suspect the story of TH's friend about the second FM..
I just mean that, I want to see proof of both FM 1 and FM 2.

I question everything in this case and we do know that several of Terri's friends
bought her bat phones. Why should we suspect Dede of being involved and
not Andrea? Maybe not, but who knows what other friends helped her out in
some way?

Interesting! I see what you're saying. I hope we get proof if/when it goes to trial.

 

[SacreBleu]

I'm sorry, but do we even know that there is a receipt? I know that Terri said (via email) that she had one - but she also said everything was fine the day Kaine & the baby left(insert "thumbs up" emoticon).

Also, time is relative - relative to what any particular system is using as the basis for it's time. Cell phone time, or server(the main computer to which all other computers are connected) time (that 's the time that I would imagine the cash register's time would be based upon), the clock in the school time, the time on the clock in your vehicle? Any of those times (with the possible exception of the cell phone time) could have been adjusted at any point in time (pun intended). Unless LE was on top of all the various timeframes, it's a crapshoot.

 

[STEADFAST]

Steadfast, Staton said 9:00 was by a student. Not Terri. You can't change what the man said.

I may not be able to change what the man said, but LE apparently changed their mind about a student last seeing him, because they announced that Terri was the last person to see him at a subsequent press conference. Remember, they still had a lot of questioning and canvassing to do after the June 7 presser. But they never did publicly change the time that he was last seen. Either 9:00 was corroborated or there was new information about the time that they have not told us.

 

[loves2bmom]

I have some doubts that "the receipt" of 0912 is for Starbucks. The reason I don't is because the Starbucks manager they interviewed about her employees testifying at the GJ, and her not recalling seeing TH that day, was standing in front of her workplace, a freestanding Starbucks, not one inside of a Fred Meyers. I suspect those 2 employees of hers are testifying because either TH says she did stop there, or the employees do recall seeing her that day.
Although I freely admit I have been known to visit Starbux more than once a day, but rarely.

Okay now I'm going to ask the impossible...got a link to the video? LOL! I know I should be asking Bean! If you find that video, some of us locals might be able to identify which one it is.

You bring up a good point because I know there has been some speculation about which Starbucks if any that she visited that day. If she didn't buy coffee at 9:12...I would love to know what she actually bought. Maybe it was a pack of gum. LOL

 

[BeanE]

I may not be able to change what the man said, but LE apparently changed their mind about a student last seeing him, because they announced that Terri was the last person to see him at a subsequent press conference. Remember, they still had a lot of questioning and canvassing to do after the June 7 presser. But they never did publicly change the time that he was last seen. Either 9:00 was corroborated or there was new information about the time that they have not told us.

And when they changed to Terri as last person to see Kyron, they gave no time. I can't take the time from another person and just assign it to Terri based on nothing. For all I know the time LE has determined for her last seen time is 9:30. Or 9:45. I want to know LE's time for Terri, and I want to know what happened to that student and his/her time.

 

[nonfictionrocks]

If I was emailing a friend and telling them what time I left the school, I'd probably just round it off. I wouldn't say "I left the school at 8:52", I would just say 9.

If she had of said 8:52, 8:55, or 8:57:30 people would be suspicious of her for being too precise. I think she heard the bell, left the school, put the baby in the truck and then contended with a few cars getting out of the parking lot at the same time. I doubt she kept a close eye on the clock on her dashboard, why would she - I don't think she needed to because she has done nothing to that little boy. JMO

Maybe the receipt she has is for coffee and she used either her bank debit card or a preloaded coffee card. I imagine a chain like Starbuck's has these but I am from Canada and really only drink Tim Horton's coffee. I get a receipt that shows the balance remaining. She grabs a coffee, goes into FM's, they don't have what she is looking for and she gets back into the truck and heads to the other location. It's not rocket science, why are these two details getting over complicated? JMO

I think the larger issue would be the 90 minutes or so she spent driving around with a fussing child. I don't see a problem with this either. I did drives every morning for months with both my boys when they were babies. I would pick up a coffee and take a drive. My younger son loved to look at construction equipment so at times we had to drive to the next town over (15 minutes away) in order to check out the huge back hoes and dirt movers. We would park nearby and watch them in action. My older boy liked horses and cows, so we would head out to the farms and stop if any animals were close to the road.

I know plenty of people who have taken their babies out for a drive to try and calm them and like another poster said here, perhaps TM picked up something that eventually worked and settled her daughter down enough that she was able to go work out. JMO

 

[Haeve]

This is when her crazy driving record sheds some light on the confusion - she jumped in the truck, didn't take the time to put on her seat belt, drove 90 mph, did not slow down for stop signs... and that's how she got there so quickly.

eta: oh, and violated Oregon's famously vague and mysterious 'basic rule' of driving...

BBM

I wanted to add this to the driving violations subthread on the "TH is a profile in contradictions" thread, as someone else made the same error, but it was closed.

The (conjecture by me) "failure to use a seat belt" and "violation of the basic rule" (Oregon's Basic Speed Rule means go the speed limit, or slower if conditions merit it--i.e. snow, ice, etc.) charges were on DeDe's record, not TH's.

Remember we're not in the rumor business. If I could, I would go back and clean up my posts on that thread...

P.S. Other than that, you have an excellent point!

 

[STEADFAST]

And when they changed to Terri as last person to see Kyron, they gave no time. I can't take the time from another person and just assign it to Terri based on nothing. For all I know the time LE has determined for her last seen time is 9:30. Or 9:45. I want to know LE's time for Terri, and I want to know what happened to that student and his/her time.

I agree. Very interesting if Terri was seen with Kyron later than 9:00, especially since she claims to have gotten a receipt at Fred Meyer at 9:12.
I soooo want to know LE's time for Terri if the last time he was seen was later than 9:00!

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Re: The "times" that are being discussed.

If Terri left when the bell rang, and Kyron was "on his way" to his classroom, why was attendance not taken until 10:00? Presumably, students were expected to report to their classrooms for placement in their small groups to tour the Science Fair. Why, then was attendance not taken while students were assembled prior to leaving the classroom for the tour? If students were not required to report to their classrooms because some were going to tour the SF with parents/family, teachers were faced with a confusing situation that is almost beyond belief, imo.

 

[STEADFAST]

Re: The "times" that are being discussed.

If Terri left when the bell rang, and Kyron was "on his way" to his classroom, why was attendance not taken until 10:00? Presumably, students were expected to report to their classrooms for placement in their small groups to tour the Science Fair. Why, then was attendance not taken while students were assembled prior to leaving the classroom for the tour? If students were not required to report to their classrooms because some were going to tour the SF with parents/family, teachers were faced with a confusing situation that is almost beyond belief, imo.

I agree. Not taking attendance before the children separated into small groups and started wandering around was idiotic. What do they think attendance is for if not to keep close track of what children have arrived at school?

 

[debs]

I agree. Not taking attendance before the children separated into small groups and started wandering around was idiotic. What do they think attendance is for if not to keep close track of what children have arrived at school?

Which infers to me, at least, that THIS teacher failed to do what seems not only instinctive, but standard operating procedure.