Terrorist Attack at Boston Marathon #11 One Suspect Dead; One in Custody

[CARIIS]

Ibragim Todashev may or may not have pulled a knife on investigators in his own apartment. He may or may not have been ready to sign a confession implicating himself and Tamerlan Tsarnaev in a 2011 triple homicide. All we know is that lethal force was used when Todashev was shot and killed early Wednesday morning,

We got:
Three law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Todashev had lunged at the FBI agent with a knife.

Then: However, two of those officials said later in the day it was no longer clear what had happened. The third official had not received any new information.

why a room full of law enforcement agents used lethal force against a man who might have been armed, at most, with a knife

Then this:

Law enforcement officials say the 27-year-old mixed martial arts fighter made a move that threatened the investigators
Then this :

Long object

then this:

“It was not certain who, or how many officers, had fired


How can it be in a room with 4 trained observers noone knows what happened, days later.


I can get the Marathon being confusing - but a small apartment kinda hard to figure out.
The LE gentleman with the scrape ought to be able to say what happened.He was there and I assume can talk.

 

[katydid23]

as possible when they are speaking with them so they will be relaxed and more likely to talk.

Actually according to manuals they do the opposite make them as miserable as possible. Its in the handbooks and training guides

Both manuals have an entire chapter devoted to "coercive techniques." These manuals recommend arresting suspects early in the morning by surprise, blindfolding them, and stripping them naked. Suspects should be held incommunicado and should be deprived of any kind of normal routine in eating and sleeping. Interrogation rooms should be windowless, soundproof, dark and without toilets.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Army_and_CIA_interrogation_manuals

Sometimes they do it that way^^^ ---and sometimes they do it the opposite way, Usually they try a little of both, hence 'good cop, bad cop.'

 

[CARIIS]

Yea, right....he just blew the arms and legs off dozens of innocents and slaughtered that 8 yr old boy in cold blood....and he calls his homie looking for fruit loops....not hardly. He needed a place to hide out or someone to hide the evidence, imo.

Please state your known, proveable facts your honor!

By that I mean we do not know this: He needed a place to hide out or someone to hide the evidence, imo.
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[CARIIS]

Yea, right....he just blew the arms and legs off dozens of innocents and slaughtered that 8 yr old boy in cold blood....and he calls his homie looking for fruit loops....not hardly. He needed a place to hide out or someone to hide the evidence, imo.

We must stick with what we know right? We know older brothers number was dialed from the number. Thats it.

 

[CARIIS]

http://www.newsday.com/news/world/b...har-tsarnaev-is-walking-mother-says-1.5374126

 

[CARIIS]

Huffington Posted: 05/30/2013 8:35 pm EDT : Now we going to find out what happened- too big a story. And, IMO, it is not what we have been told thus far. IMO

But here we go into another committee meeting that goes on for ever!

Justice Department Monitors Ibragim Todashev Killing, But No Civil Rights Probe Yet

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/30/justice-department-ibragim-todashev_n_3362538.html

http://www.businessinsider.com/murd...ston-bombing-suspect-tamerlan-tsarnaev-2013-4

 

[SophieRose]

Thanks.

I'm horribly offended. My parents/grandparents/great grandparents fought hard for the freedoms that are ours.

This is the best damn country in the world.

JMO

This vaguely sounds like America love it or leave it.

And I couldn't say best damm country in the world because it's a putdown to other good countries and our allies. Why can't we be a country that is always trying to better itself?

 

[CuriousGrace]

Bingo again!
So he was JUSTIFIED because he was a Muslim??? And America deserves it for being in Muslim countries???

You just validated what I thought all the excuse making was about.

News flash! He was here. Living on our freedom.

He acted like an animal. He should have been deported.

We let people in to allow them a better life, not to wreak havoc on ours.

And there are many American's who act like animals and wreck havoc and cause horror in their OWN country, do you suppose we ship them off too to another place?

If anyone who was born in another country got arrested in America (and not yet convicted) and was forced to be deported, we would have even more serious issues than we do now.

 

[CuriousGrace]

Then why the phone calls between them after the bombing?

I hadn't read that calls were made after the bombing. Is there a link please?

 

[Paulette]

Did anyone watch "Manhunt - Boston Bombers" on Nova last night?

Amazing techniques used in identifying the bombers. The FBI released the photos of the two brothers because internet 'detectives' on reddit & other sites, were accusing the wrong people.

As I suspected, the FBI never released most of the video footage collected that implicated the brothers. Plus they had all the photos and videos from people at the marathon that came forward offering their phones.

Really good program.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365018017

 

[SophieRose]

Did anyone watch "Manhunt - Boston Bombers" on Nova last night?

Amazing techniques used in identifying the bombers. The FBI released the photos of the two brothers because internet 'detectives' on reddit & other sites, were accusing the wrong people.

As I suspected, the FBI never released most of the video footage collected that implicated the brothers. Plus they had all the photos and videos from people at the marathon that came forward offering their phones.

Really good program.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365018017

After the video footage and pictures were released, did the FBI receive any calls from anyone saying it was the Tsarnaev brothers? It seems like they weren't identified until after the Watertown confrontation, and that would be probably be through TT's identification carried on himself. The FBI didn't go to TT's apt until sometime the next day.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

And there are many American's who act like animals and wreck havoc and cause horror in their OWN country, do you suppose we ship them off too to another place?

If anyone who was born in another country got arrested in America (and not yet convicted) and was forced to be deported, we would have even more serious issues than we do now.

But he was arrested for previous violent acts and he should have been deported then.

http://www.boston.com/metrodesk/201...an-tsarnaev/r3JR1wWQjO9GuWjIMP0O0K/story.html

Todashev came to America from Russia several years ago to study under a J-1 visa, which is designed to promote cultural exchange by granting foreigners temporary permission to study or work in the United States, according to several law enforcement officials with knowledge of his background.

According to the State Department’s website, J-1 visas aim to foster “global understanding” through cultural and educational exchanges. More than 170,000 foreigners work, teach, or study in the United States every month through the program.

However, in 2008, the US government granted Todashev asylum, a protection granted to foreigners with a credible fear for their safety in their homelands because of religious, political, or other forms of persecution.

Todashev obtained a green card in February, making him a legal permanent resident and clearing the way for him to apply for US citizenship in a few years if he remained in good standing, according to the officials.

On May 4, Todashev was arrested in Orlando after a heated dispute over a mall parking space with a father and his adult son ended with the son lying in a pool of blood, his teeth loosened by the blows Todashev delivered, according to a police report.

And in Feburary 2010, police had to wrestle the wiry young man to the ground when they were forced to step in between him and another driver following a crash in Boston’s Downtown Crossing.

 

[jjenny]

I don't understand the way US was treating these "refugees" at all. This guy wasn't deported despite his arrest, instead he got a green card.

 

[SophieRose]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/...oting-boston-bombing-20130530,0,6715529.story

Shibly, of the Islamic relations council, said his group was gathering expenditure receipts that showed that Todashev was traveling in Atlanta with his wife when law enforcement officials say the Waltham killings took place. Shibly said those records will be made public soon.

“Our issue is that if he [Todashev], is accused of a triple murder, go ahead an arrest him,” Shibly said. “We have an excellent judicial system, so go ahead and arrest him."

“We don’t think the situation was handled very well,” Shibly said. “Law enforcement was in control of the environment and they interrogated him for four to five hours and he is dead.

"We’re not accusing them of anything, just asking questions to make sure our law enforcement officers are abiding to the highest standards,” he said.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

I don't understand the way US was treating these "refugees" at all. This guy wasn't deported despite his arrest, instead he got a green card.

I'd also like to know how it went from coming here to study to being granted asylum. What was the credible threat in his country that got him asylum?

I'm glad they are looking at these issues and making changes.

 

[SophieRose]

http://stream.wsj.com/story/latest-headlines/SS-2-63399/SS-2-243146/

Sheri Blanton, a spokeswoman for the medical examiner’s office for Orange and Osceola counties, said it typically takes two to three months for a finalized autopsy report, and that no preliminary findings were available.

Initially, U.S. law-enforcement officials said Ibragim lunged at the agent with a knife or another cutting instrument that left a gash in the agent’s arm. But this week, a U.S. law-enforcement official said Ibragim was unarmed and suggested that the agent might have been cut by a piece of furniture in the scuffle. In addition to the FBI agent, two Massachusetts State Police investigators were present during the Florida shooting.

 

[SophieRose]

I'd also like to know how it went from coming here to study to being granted asylum. What was the credible threat in his country that got him asylum?

I'm glad they are looking at these issues and making changes.

That's how the US becomes a better country.

 

[BeginnersLuck]

That's how the US becomes a better country.

My question is how did he go from coming here to be a student to being granted asylum? Here are the eligibility requirements.

Asylum in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Asylum eligibility has three basic requirements. First, an asylum applicant must establish that he or she fears persecution.[2] Second, the applicant must prove that he or she would be persecuted on account of one of five protected grounds: race, religion, nationality, political opinion, and social group. Third, an applicant must establish that the government is either involved in the persecution, or unable to control the conduct of private actors.

How does he fall under those categories? What is his father's job again and didn't his father say that he came here to go to school and was going to return?

 

[katydid23]

I hadn't read that calls were made after the bombing. Is there a link please?

I thought I had read that here or on the Waltham thread. Is that incorrect?

 

[CHERIE.T]

Did anyone watch "Manhunt - Boston Bombers" on Nova last night?

Amazing techniques used in identifying the bombers. The FBI released the photos of the two brothers because internet 'detectives' on reddit & other sites, were accusing the wrong people.

As I suspected, the FBI never released most of the video footage collected that implicated the brothers. Plus they had all the photos and videos from people at the marathon that came forward offering their phones.

Really good program.

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365018017

Thank you
Paulette!