The actual vs. desired outcome

[JMO8778]

LOL..or large kitty.

So, a certain IDI on this board, wants us to believe...that three intruders....that were foreign....and learned some English phrases by watching "Speed" and "Dirty Harry", broke into the Ramsey home, intent on Kidnapping JB, but fouled up, and killed her instead. They must have watched ALOT of American movies, to have learned the language that well.

I bet they even worked out at the same club the 911 terrorists used...so that all they had to bring w. them was that $2.29 cord;they were strong enough not to need anything else,except,when JB started squirming ...they were forced to take her to the basement in order to regroup.They fed her pineapple to calm her down.It worked,and 2 hrs later,they killed her.Yea,that's it.And now they can't be found,because they died in '01 of course.
They learned most of their English from those movies.And they had to switch to box cutters for 911 so no one would know they were also responsible for the JB case.
How's that for an IDI theory????

 

[BOESP]

Who cares?

What matters is who used the term in 1996, not 1920! In 1996, the term was used in Europe, Asia, and America. It was used in politically charged conversations dealing with status and wealth, of which the RN was one.

You're dealing with a Kaczynski. A socioeconomic basket case who has never had an original thought. Sexual murders on children has happened before, ransoms have happened before, and the Rn author couldn't even make up his own lines, had to use canned expressions from violent films.

Please define "sexual murder" so we'll all know what you are talking about. JonBenet's death has no earmarks of being a murder for sexual gratification so I'd be interested in your personal definition and how her death met those requirements.

 

[UKGuy]

me too.He's on ignore from now on.He just likes to give us the runaround..same ole,same ole..biased in favor of the R's,IMO.

JMO8778,

I agree, not so sure its the runaround as much as the inability to reason from independent evidence?

 

[Ames]

Exactly. The writer would have also referred to John as a son of a . Also, the syntax of the note is not foreign at all.


-Tea

Yep, I have said all along..in other posts..that a real kn note would have went something like this....(for starters, I don't believe it would have said Mr. Ramsey at the top....it is very clear who the note is meant for).

(Sarcasm).....Good @#$%ing morning...

We have your @#$%ing daughter you da@# son of a bi#$%. You want her back? Drop of $118,000 at such and such place at such and such time....and you can have your
dam* daughter back, you SOB.

There would have been no mention of being well rested, an adequate size attaché, or even the phrase, the gentlemen that have your daughter do particulary like you...with the word NOT inserted, after the fact, etc.

Then there would have been NO signature....what sort of kidnapper signs the kn note?

 

[Ames]

Wow. I fully expected that to be "edited". lol


-Tea

Maybe it was overlooked..don't draw attention to it, and maybe Tricia won't notice. LOL

 

[Ames]

I bet they even worked out at the same club the 911 terrorists used...so that all they had to bring w. them was that $2.29 cord;they were strong enough not to need anything else,except,when JB started squirming ...they were forced to take her to the basement in order to regroup.They fed her pineapple to calm her down.It worked,and 2 hrs later,they killed her.Yea,that's it.And now they can't be found,because they died in '01 of course.
They learned most of their English from those movies.And they had to switch to box cutters for 911 so no one would know they were also responsible for the JB case.
How's that for an IDI theory????

WOW...you are GOOD!!!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Please define "sexual murder" so we'll all know what you are talking about. JonBenet's death has no earmarks of being a murder for sexual gratification so I'd be interested in your personal definition and how her death met those requirements.

The perp left DNA mixed with blood in her underwear, according to reports I read. Also she had injuries noted by the coroner that were consistent with some kind of sexual assault. Sexual murder would be any murder where one of the motivations was lust. Sexual assault is proof the perp was motivated by lust.

Presuming the sexual assault wasn't staged. Thats a safe assumption,though. The whole RDI idea was born even before any forensics were even done, so the only way to account for the forensic results was to call everything staging, right down to 'disguised handwriting' and 'the furrow in her neck was caused by a staging prop. These are only RDI myths. :boohoo:

 

[Ames]

The perp left DNA mixed with blood in her underwear, according to reports I read. Also she had injuries noted by the coroner that were consistent with some kind of sexual assault. Sexual murder would be any murder where one of the motivations was lust. Sexual assault is proof the perp was motivated by lust.

Presuming the sexual assault wasn't staged. Thats a safe assumption,though. The whole RDI idea was born even before any forensics were even done, so the only way to account for the forensic results was to call everything staging, right down to 'disguised handwriting' and 'the furrow in her neck was caused by a staging prop. These are only RDI myths. :boohoo:

Really now?....What reports were those? Provide a link, please. And I don't mean the one that says that the DNA was DEGRADED...that means OLD...left before that night. That DNA doesn't count...because it was thought to have came from a factory worker, that made or packaged the panties. DEGRADED (OLD) does not count. Show us a link that says that the PERP left DNA mixed with blood in her underwear.....(Oh I can't WAIT to see it!!!)

 

[JMO8778]

Really now?....What reports were those? Provide a link, please. And I don't mean the one that says that the DNA was DEGRADED...that means OLD...left before that night. That DNA doesn't count...because it was thought to have came from a factory worker, that made or packaged the panties. DEGRADED (OLD) does not count. Show us a link that says that the PERP left DNA mixed with blood in her underwear.....(Oh I can't WAIT to see it!!!)

fresh dna at that ....with the full 13 markers ! only 1 spot even had the 9.5,which I think was rounded off to 10.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Really now?....What reports were those? Provide a link, please. And I don't mean the one that says that the DNA was DEGRADED...that means OLD...left before that night. That DNA doesn't count...because it was thought to have came from a factory worker, that made or packaged the panties. DEGRADED (OLD) does not count. Show us a link that says that the PERP left DNA mixed with blood in her underwear.....(Oh I can't WAIT to see it!!!)

Google search 'DNA Ramsey mixed' and look for the news reports of the 2nd DNA sample with enough markers to submit to CODIS. The first sample was 'contaminated'.

 

[JMO8778]

JMO8778,

I agree, not so sure its the runaround as much as the inability to reason from independent evidence?

I get the overall feeling he doesn't want to reason at all....reason being he's in favor of the R's,no matter what the evidence says.

 

[JMO8778]

Yep, I have said all along..in other posts..that a real kn note would have went something like this....(for starters, I don't believe it would have said Mr. Ramsey at the top....it is very clear who the note is meant for).

(Sarcasm).....Good @#$%ing morning...

We have your @#$%ing daughter you da@# son of a bi#$%. You want her back? Drop of $118,000 at such and such place at such and such time....and you can have your
dam* daughter back, you SOB.

There would have been no mention of being well rested, an adequate size attaché, or even the phrase, the gentlemen that have your daughter do particulary like you...with the word NOT inserted, after the fact, etc.

Then there would have been NO signature....what sort of kidnapper signs the kn note?

only Patsy,and feminine at that....victory...sbtc...church phrases if you ask me.
and I agree...it would be more graphic...the note was overall way too soft.
Patsy started off writing it to both of them...which she admitted,when she said it was for an invitation instead.And then she also messed up when she said delivery,instead of pickup...it's clear what was going through her mind...'opps...if someone has our daughter...they wouldn't drop her off...we'd have to pick her up !!' <crosses out word,inserts new one>.very sloppy last minute note...seems she ran out of time to write yet another final copy.

 

[Squishified]

The note is written by someone who obviously likes to write. A creative person. Artistic, maybe. Someone used to writing formal letters to people. Written in a caring, feminine way. Signed off with an acronym.

Is anybody coming to mind??

 

[Solace]

If I were JR, and a co-conspirator, and LE asked me to search the house, There's NO WAY I would go to the basement first. You can spin that 'til you're dizzy and it wont change my mind.

Really? But you are not John Ramsey and you did not kill your child. John went with Fleet and found JB within minutes. Someone needed to find her and John did it. And actually, for once we agree, I would have looked again at where she last was and that would be her bedroom. I would have looked for any kind of a clue. So you answer your own question Holdon. Why did John go to the basement first, when most people would have gone to where she last was according to them and that was her bedroom. He knew she was not there. He did know she was in the basement.

 

[Solace]

RDI can't decide. Did JR do it? Did PR do it? Or did JR and PR do it?

There's problems with each one, but the biggest most obvious problem is that JR is excluded as the RN author. If you let that single fact exonerate JR acting alone (which at least is a rational choice because its based on undisputed fact), then JR becomes either a witness or a co-conspirator.

If JR is a witness, then everything that happened in and around the 911 call can be presumed to have happened according to JR. That includes his impression of PR's behavior and personality.

If JR is a co-conspirator, then he not only performed to LE satisfaction on Dec 26, but was given a pass in the separate LE interviews. If it really was a hastily staged murder following an unexpected accident, his story would not have held together with hers in the separate interviews.

Why not? Neither of them remembers anything.

 

[JMO8778]

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Why not? Neither of them remembers anything.

yes and they actually did contradict each other at times..Patsy saying she may have read about the heart in the autopsy reports...JR down the hall at the same time,saying they don't read autopsy reports...there were other examples as well.

 

[JMO8778]

Really? But you are not John Ramsey and you did not kill your child. John went with Fleet and found JB within minutes. Someone needed to find her and John did it. And actually, for once we agree, I would have looked again at where she last was and that would be her bedroom. I would have looked for any kind of a clue. So you answer your own question Holdon. Why did John go to the basement first, when most people would have gone to where she last was according to them and that was her bedroom. He knew she was not there. He did know she was in the basement.

he was also anxious to 'find' her before the other kids got there,IMO...just as he got BR out of the way,he didn't want them to see her,either.As well as he needed them there to vouch for what a good dad he was,after she was found...to say that he could never do that to JB;he wasn't that kind of person.

 

[Solace]

yes and they actually did contradict each other at times..Patsy saying she may have read about the heart in the autopsy reports...JR down the hall at the same time,saying they don't read autopsy reports...there were other examples as well.

And they also reiterated that on LKL that they knew how she died but they did not delve into it.

 

[Solace]

Contrary to the common belief, JR's 'after the fact' behavior is not consistent with guilt. If JR were guilty, he would not have beelined it to the basement when LE asked him to search the house. That looks guilty, and a guilty person would know it looks guilty. A guilty person simply wouldn't do that.

PR and JR's 'after the fact' behaviors were put to the supreme test on separate interviews. If it was their hasty coverup of an accident, their stories would have probably collapsed at that point. They passed that test, because their stories were consistent. Thats not very likely in a hastily prepared staged crime scene. They would've been one of many couples in crime that were exposed during a police interrogation.

As a matter of fact, that is exactly what a good percentage of parents who have murdered their children do. They lead the way.

 

[Solace]

Do you have a source for this? I believe they probably considered it a child homicide, and I'm not sure if that falls under FBI jurisdiction. You're claiming the FBI considers it a domestic homicide, but I dont think you can back it up. Ron Walker, FBI Agent, who was on the SCENE, said "look to the parents". '

Please don't tell me that they made an RDI conclusion the same day, even before any forensics were done. Is that the remark you're referring to?

Maybe the ransom note was a clue. Ron Walker looked at it and said "this is the war and peace of ransom notes". You can see him on the Bill Kurtis documentary. You know the one where John lies and says the FBI was not there and then Bill goes straight to Ron Walker and he says I was there. That be the one.