CASCU Analysis of Crime

[rashomon]

I honestly feel the Rs never thought either the too-big panties OR the bowl of pineapple/spoon/tea bag in water glass would EVER be made an issue of. They just didn't realize LE would think anything of it. They never thought anyone would pay attention to whether the underwear JBR was wearing when she died fit her, nor did they think LE would even realize they were not her right size.
And you can bet that the Rs NEVER though pineapple would be found still in her digestive tract. They just never gave it a thought. I doubt any killer (whether deliberate murder or accidental death) thinks about what the last thing his victim ate and whether it would still be identifiable if an autopsy was done.
While many killers are savvy about DNA and such (wiping the body, wiping the flashlight AND batteries, possibly using latex gloves, NO fingerprints on the tape pulled from her mouth, even though JR SAYS he pulled it off and FW claims to have picked it up and dropped it back on the blanket) I really do not think many killers think about what will be found in the digestive tract and how that impacts estimated time of death.
I think when that pineapple in JBR's small intestine was identified, the Rs were so shocked that they had to distance themselves as far as possible from it. There is NOTHING unusual about giving your child a late night snack of pineapple UNLESS she dies about 2 hours later. That's the only reason to deny you gave it to her, and even deny that you own the BOWL. That bowl was clearly shown on the R table at their party on the 23rd. And BR identified the bowl as belonging to the house when he was questioned. Of all the big things that make me suspect the Rs, it's the little things like this that convince me they are guilty.

Excellent points, DeeDee!

 

[Rino]

I honestly feel the Rs never thought either the too-big panties OR the bowl of pineapple/spoon/tea bag in water glass would EVER be made an issue of. They just didn't realize LE would think anything of it. They never thought anyone would pay attention to whether the underwear JBR was wearing when she died fit her, nor did they think LE would even realize they were not her right size.
And you can bet that the Rs NEVER though pineapple would be found still in her digestive tract. They just never gave it a thought. I doubt any killer (whether deliberate murder or accidental death) thinks about what the last thing his victim ate and whether it would still be identifiable if an autopsy was done.
While many killers are savvy about DNA and such (wiping the body, wiping the flashlight AND batteries, possibly using latex gloves, NO fingerprints on the tape pulled from her mouth, even though JR SAYS he pulled it off and FW claims to have picked it up and dropped it back on the blanket) I really do not think many killers think about what will be found in the digestive tract and how that impacts estimated time of death.
I think when that pineapple in JBR's small intestine was identified, the Rs were so shocked that they had to distance themselves as far as possible from it. There is NOTHING unusual about giving your child a late night snack of pineapple UNLESS she dies about 2 hours later. That's the only reason to deny you gave it to her, and even deny that you own the BOWL. That bowl was clearly shown on the R table at their party on the 23rd. And BR identified the bowl as belonging to the house when he was questioned. Of all the big things that make me suspect the Rs, it's the little things like this that convince me they are guilty.

Bingo, unless she dies and your entire defense is that she was fast asleep in the car and never woke when they arrived home. The devil is in the details.

 

[Ames]

I honestly feel the Rs never thought either the too-big panties OR the bowl of pineapple/spoon/tea bag in water glass would EVER be made an issue of. They just didn't realize LE would think anything of it. They never thought anyone would pay attention to whether the underwear JBR was wearing when she died fit her, nor did they think LE would even realize they were not her right size.
And you can bet that the Rs NEVER though pineapple would be found still in her digestive tract. They just never gave it a thought. I doubt any killer (whether deliberate murder or accidental death) thinks about what the last thing his victim ate and whether it would still be identifiable if an autopsy was done.
While many killers are savvy about DNA and such (wiping the body, wiping the flashlight AND batteries, possibly using latex gloves, NO fingerprints on the tape pulled from her mouth, even though JR SAYS he pulled it off and FW claims to have picked it up and dropped it back on the blanket) I really do not think many killers think about what will be found in the digestive tract and how that impacts estimated time of death.
I think when that pineapple in JBR's small intestine was identified, the Rs were so shocked that they had to distance themselves as far as possible from it. There is NOTHING unusual about giving your child a late night snack of pineapple UNLESS she dies about 2 hours later. That's the only reason to deny you gave it to her, and even deny that you own the BOWL. That bowl was clearly shown on the R table at their party on the 23rd. And BR identified the bowl as belonging to the house when he was questioned. Of all the big things that make me suspect the Rs, it's the little things like this that convince me they are guilty.

I don't believe that Patsy ever denied owning the bowl....

From her 98 interview....when asked about the bowl that had the Pineapple in it..

12 TRIP DEMUTH: Do you recognize the bowl?
13 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
14 TRIP DEMUTH: Where do you keep them?
15 PATSY RAMSEY: In the kitchen.


Unless, of course....she denied it in a previous statement, or interview that I am not aware of.

 

[Rino]

I don't believe that Patsy ever denied owning the bowl....

Unless, of course....she denied it in a previous statement, or interview that I am not aware of.

She did deny putting it "there" that night, a set up she would not do (whatever that means)


TRANSCRIPT - 48 HOURS - OCTOBER 4th, 2002
Patsy Ramsey: "I don't give a flying flip how scientific it is. Go back to the damn drawing board. I didn't do it! John Ramsey didn't do it. And we didn't have a clue of anybody who did do it! So we all got to start working together from this day forward to try to find out who the hell did it!"

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Detective Lou Smit talking to John Ramsey: "What have you heard about pineapple?"

John Ramsey: "Well, we were asked, you know, did JonBenét eat pineapple because apparently it was found in her system. I think part of the question was, when did she eat it? When she got home? And I'm sure she didn't because she was absolutely sound sleep." Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "The Ramseys told police that JonBenét had gone straight to bed that night and had not eaten at home but autopsy results did find undigested pineapple in JonBenét's stomach and police discovered fingerprints on a bowl left in the families dining room on the morning of the murder."

Patsy Ramsey: "I didn't put the bowl there. Okay? I did not put the bowl there. I would not do this set-up like this

Detective Tom Haney "But okay, let's go back to your line of reasoning here. If they weren't... Now talk to me."

Patsy Ramsey: "Okay."

Detective Tom Haney "Look at me. If they're not yours, and they're not John's, then they would be somebody else's."

Patsy Ramsey: "Right"

Detective Tom Haney: "Now, I'm telling you they are not somebody else's. Those prints belong to one
of the two of you."

Patsy Ramsey: "They do? You're sure."

Detective Tom Haney shakes he head yes

Patsy Ramsey: "Well, I don't know. I did not put that there."

Erin Moriarty: "The finger prints on the bowl are Patsy's, according to police, suggesting she's the one who gave the fruit to her daughter. But if Patsy did give it to JonBenét and is lying about it, then investigators wondered could she be lying about everything."

Detective Tom Haney: "You know, sometimes the simplest, most obscure little thing could be so significant."

Patsy Ramsey: "Right. I did not feed JonBenét pineapple. Okay? So I don't know how it got in her stomach. I don't know where this bowl of pineapple came from. I can't recall putting that there."

 

[DeeDee249]

Ames, you may be right. Though I do recall seeing somewhere that PR denied owning the bowl, and even denied owning the box of tissue, saying she never bought that kind (standard box) but she always bought the small boxes (she meant the square boutique-size tissues). JR did admit the silver serving piece was part of their set. What these 2 don't realize is that it flies in the face of reason to think that an intruder brought not only the tape and nylon cord (though there is a harware store receipt showing PR may have bought both these items not long before the murder), also the tissue box ????? and knew where the Rs keep their good silver? Or are we expected to believe that an intruder had the TIME (from 10-10:30 PM) to
1.Pull up the heavy metal grate to the basement window hoping no one will hear/see and taking care in the DARK not to break the spider web found there the next day, then WAIT till the occupants seem asleep
2. Remove JBR from her bed, possibly with the aid of stun gun
3. Take her to the kitchen and give her a pineapple snack, looking through cabinets for the silverware and dishes and popping that tissue box out of their whatever to stage the table for whatever reason,
4. Bring her BACK upstairs (fibers found in the bed ? OR bring (or carry) her down to the basement, tie her up, molest her there, with the aid of materials from PRs paint tote in the basement, which was NOT brought up, so the materials required a trip to the basement in the dark in that maze of a house hoping no one hears or comes down to see you.
5. Bash her skull with either a flashlight, bat, or something else, all the while doing the above SOoooo quietly as BR was just down the hall
6. Pull the white blanket from the basement dryer (housekeeper says it was always washed there as it didn't fit in the one outside JBR's room) placing carefully on the blanket an arm hair from PR
7. Wipe the blood from JBR's thighs using a shirt from JR which the intruder had to sneak up to the bedroom while the parents were sleeping to get a shirt JR wore that day, as well as then going to PRs dressing area/bath and getting HER red plaid fleece jacket without waking the parents also and with tweezers, removing some of the jacket fibers to entangle in the gartotte, oh WAIT, you ALREADY MADE the garrotte, so you have to untie the garrotte to place the jacket fibers there
8. Then you have to place PRs fibers on the back side of the tape you used to keep JBR quiet, no WAIT, she's already dead, so she's REAL quiet, so you pull the tape off (wearing latex gloves, also used to molest her- there are NO prints on the tape) place PRs fibers back on the tape, put it back on the unmoving lips
9. Redress the body after searching for a clean pair of panties, of course being SO quiet as you have to go back upstairs to JBR's room and search for her panties which are NOT where most kids keep their underwear and somehow miraculously find a brand new clean pair, but they are size 12 so they were probably NOT in her bathroom drawers
10. Drag the body into the wineceller
11. Go back upstairs and take a notepad and sharpie from the kitchen area and write a practice note and then 3-page ransom note, while carefully forging the note to look like PRs handwriting, which somehow the intruder spent a lot of time studying after searching the home for PR's writing samples
12. Replace notepad and sharpie, leaving the practice note for PR to ADMIT she wrote (for another purpose) later and place the note at the foot of a stairway that is NOT the main stairway and you have NO idea is the one the family uses
13. Pull the suitcase under the basement window and try to balance it to climb straight UP a wall and out that same window- OH WAIT- I forgot first you have to pull a CHAIR in front of the door to that room AFTER you have already closed the door, etc
ALL before PR woke up at 5:30am.
Are you exhausted from reading this? I am. Imagine how an intruder would have felt. Somehow looking at it like this makes an intruder seem impossible.

 

[Ames]

She did deny putting it "there" that night, a set up she would not do (whatever that means)


TRANSCRIPT - 48 HOURS - OCTOBER 4th, 2002
Patsy Ramsey: "I don't give a flying flip how scientific it is. Go back to the damn drawing board. I didn't do it! John Ramsey didn't do it. And we didn't have a clue of anybody who did do it! So we all got to start working together from this day forward to try to find out who the hell did it!"

---
Detective Lou Smit talking to John Ramsey: "What have you heard about pineapple?"

John Ramsey: "Well, we were asked, you know, did JonBenét eat pineapple because apparently it was found in her system. I think part of the question was, when did she eat it? When she got home? And I'm sure she didn't because she was absolutely sound sleep." Erin Moriarty: (Voice Over) "The Ramseys told police that JonBenét had gone straight to bed that night and had not eaten at home but autopsy results did find undigested pineapple in JonBenét's stomach and police discovered fingerprints on a bowl left in the families dining room on the morning of the murder."

Patsy Ramsey: "I didn't put the bowl there. Okay? I did not put the bowl there. I would not do this set-up like this

Detective Tom Haney "But okay, let's go back to your line of reasoning here. If they weren't... Now talk to me."

Patsy Ramsey: "Okay."

Detective Tom Haney "Look at me. If they're not yours, and they're not John's, then they would be somebody else's."

Patsy Ramsey: "Right"

Detective Tom Haney: "Now, I'm telling you they are not somebody else's. Those prints belong to one
of the two of you."

Patsy Ramsey: "They do? You're sure."

Detective Tom Haney shakes he head yes

Patsy Ramsey: "Well, I don't know. I did not put that there."

Erin Moriarty: "The finger prints on the bowl are Patsy's, according to police, suggesting she's the one who gave the fruit to her daughter. But if Patsy did give it to JonBenét and is lying about it, then investigators wondered could she be lying about everything."

Detective Tom Haney: "You know, sometimes the simplest, most obscure little thing could be so significant."

Patsy Ramsey: "Right. I did not feed JonBenét pineapple. Okay? So I don't know how it got in her stomach. I don't know where this bowl of pineapple came from. I can't recall putting that there."

LOL...yeah, I know that she denied putting it on the table. And her prints were all over it...along with Burkes. OH...but SHE didn't put it there....yeah right!!

 

[Ames]

Ames, you may be right. Though I do recall seeing somewhere that PR denied owning the bowl, and even denied owning the box of tissue, saying she never bought that kind (standard box) but she always bought the small boxes (she meant the square boutique-size tissues). JR did admit the silver serving piece was part of their set. What these 2 don't realize is that it flies in the face of reason to think that an intruder brought not only the tape and nylon cord (though there is a harware store receipt showing PR may have bought both these items not long before the murder), also the tissue box ????? and knew where the Rs keep their good silver? Or are we expected to believe that an intruder had the TIME (from 10-10:30 PM) to
1.Pull up the heavy metal grate to the basement window hoping no one will hear/see and taking care in the DARK not to break the spider web found there the next day, then WAIT till the occupants seem asleep
2. Remove JBR from her bed, possibly with the aid of stun gun
3. Take her to the kitchen and give her a pineapple snack, looking through cabinets for the silverware and dishes and popping that tissue box out of their whatever to stage the table for whatever reason,
4. Bring her BACK upstairs (fibers found in the bed ? OR bring (or carry) her down to the basement, tie her up, molest her there, with the aid of materials from PRs paint tote in the basement, which was NOT brought up, so the materials required a trip to the basement in the dark in that maze of a house hoping no one hears or comes down to see you.
5. Bash her skull with either a flashlight, bat, or something else, all the while doing the above SOoooo quietly as BR was just down the hall
6. Pull the white blanket from the basement dryer (housekeeper says it was always washed there as it didn't fit in the one outside JBR's room) placing carefully on the blanket an arm hair from PR
7. Wipe the blood from JBR's thighs using a shirt from JR which the intruder had to sneak up to the bedroom while the parents were sleeping to get a shirt JR wore that day, as well as then going to PRs dressing area/bath and getting HER red plaid fleece jacket without waking the parents also and with tweezers, removing some of the jacket fibers to entangle in the gartotte, oh WAIT, you ALREADY MADE the garrotte, so you have to untie the garrotte to place the jacket fibers there
8. Then you have to place PRs fibers on the back side of the tape you used to keep JBR quiet, no WAIT, she's already dead, so she's REAL quiet, so you pull the tape off (wearing latex gloves, also used to molest her- there are NO prints on the tape) place PRs fibers back on the tape, put it back on the unmoving lips
9. Redress the body after searching for a clean pair of panties, of course being SO quiet as you have to go back upstairs to JBR's room and search for her panties which are NOT where most kids keep their underwear and somehow miraculously find a brand new clean pair, but they are size 12 so they were probably NOT in her bathroom drawers
10. Drag the body into the wineceller
11. Go back upstairs and take a notepad and sharpie from the kitchen area and write a practice note and then 3-page ransom note, while carefully forging the note to look like PRs handwriting, which somehow the intruder spent a lot of time studying after searching the home for PR's writing samples
12. Replace notepad and sharpie, leaving the practice note for PR to ADMIT she wrote (for another purpose) later and place the note at the foot of a stairway that is NOT the main stairway and you have NO idea is the one the family uses
13. Pull the suitcase under the basement window and try to balance it to climb straight UP a wall and out that same window- OH WAIT- I forgot first you have to pull a CHAIR in front of the door to that room AFTER you have already closed the door, etc
ALL before PR woke up at 5:30am.
Are you exhausted from reading this? I am. Imagine how an intruder would have felt. Somehow looking at it like this makes an intruder seem impossible.

Yeah, she did deny the Kleenex box saying that it was the wrong shape (rectangle) and pattern than she usually bought...actually she DID say that she always bought the square kind, because they fit better in places. So, I suppose we are to believe that the intruder brought his own Kleenex box with him. Some people speculate that they kleenex box COULD HAVE been left by the victim's advocate people. But...it looks like to me...the police would have asked THEM first about stuff that was lying out...BEFORE asking the Ramsey's about it...just to make sure that it wasn't something that THEY had left behind. Why take a picture of something out of place, and throw it up to the Ramsey's ...only to have them deny its their's...because actually its something that the police or the victims advocate folks have left behind. The Victims Advocate people MAY have still been there when the pictures were being taken, and they could have asked them then, if the kleenex box belonged to them, especially if this is something that is procedure for them....bringing in kleenex boxes to the "victims"....(notice I put the word victim in quotations when talking about the Ramseys). My point is... I do not believe that the Kleenex box was brougt in by the VA people....I believe that it belonged to the Ramseys...but, that they were trying to make it look like an intruder came in, and brought the tissues, and fed JB pineapple, while he drank tea.

 

[DeeDee249]

I also doubt very much that victims' advocates would bring their own boxes of tissue to a home, as it would assumed that homes do have tissues. The Rs distanced themselves from so much of what they were shown in the crime scene photos. And it seemed specially true of whatever was on that table, because it had to do with the pineapple. I recall where JR was shown a photo of JBR's room with a Tupperware bowl there. He suggested that maybe that was where the pineapple was from (obviously suggesting it was brought in by an intruder, who in addition to the roll of tape, nylon cord, rectangular Kleenex box, and Santa bear, later identified as having been win by JBR at a pageant, etc. ). This is AFTER knowing about the bowl (THEIR bowl) of pineapple right on their own dining room table with their orn spoon and PR's & BR's fingerprints right on it. It's so infuriating. And yet, NO ONE in any of those interviews ever said anything about it. Not even "C'mon, Mr. R, here is a bowl of pineapple that belongs to you with a spoon that belongs to you right here on your own dining room table! That Tupperware bowl did not contain pineapple!"
Speaking of that Tupperware, did anyone in LE even LOOK in that container and see what it contained? As I recall, this was yet another overlooked item that only came to light after the autopsy discovered the pineapple. And I also did not ever see where that silver spoon in the white bowl was ever tested for prints or DNA (from saliva). As far as I know, it has still not been tested. This is what infuriates me when I hear comments from the Boulder DA's office that the investigation is "ongoing". It's been 10 YEARS! Test the damn spoon!

 

[Ames]

I also doubt very much that victims' advocates would bring their own boxes of tissue to a home, as it would assumed that homes do have tissues. The Rs distanced themselves from so much of what they were shown in the crime scene photos. And it seemed specially true of whatever was on that table, because it had to do with the pineapple. I recall where JR was shown a photo of JBR's room with a Tupperware bowl there. He suggested that maybe that was where the pineapple was from (obviously suggesting it was brought in by an intruder, who in addition to the roll of tape, nylon cord, rectangular Kleenex box, and Santa bear, later identified as having been win by JBR at a pageant, etc. ). This is AFTER knowing about the bowl (THEIR bowl) of pineapple right on their own dining room table with their orn spoon and PR's & BR's fingerprints right on it. It's so infuriating. And yet, NO ONE in any of those interviews ever said anything about it. Not even "C'mon, Mr. R, here is a bowl of pineapple that belongs to you with a spoon that belongs to you right here on your own dining room table! That Tupperware bowl did not contain pineapple!"
Speaking of that Tupperware, did anyone in LE even LOOK in that container and see what it contained? As I recall, this was yet another overlooked item that only came to light after the autopsy discovered the pineapple. And I also did not ever see where that silver spoon in the white bowl was ever tested for prints or DNA (from saliva). As far as I know, it has still not been tested. This is what infuriates me when I hear comments from the Boulder DA's office that the investigation is "ongoing". It's been 10 YEARS! Test the damn spoon!

On the ten year anniversary JB special...on "48 Hours"....someone stated...I can't remember who...that there was a WHOLE WAREHOUSE full of evidence that hasn't even been gone through, yet. What the cr@p are they waiting for?? The end of time?? I don't remember reading anything about a tupperware container in JB's room...do you remember which interview it was from? There's so much bull in those interviews, that I might have just missed it, because I can only take some much of them at one time.

 

[DeeDee249]

Sorry, Ames. I am good at remembering what I read, but NOT very good at remembering where I saw it! Maybe someone else here knows where to find info on the Tupperware bowl.

 

[Ames]

Sorry, Ames. I am good at remembering what I read, but NOT very good at remembering where I saw it! Maybe someone else here knows where to find info on the Tupperware bowl.

LOL....that's okay...I am that way too. I will go back and look over John's 98 interview again, and see if its there. I read most of it...but, started getting burned out toward the end, and had to stop. So many lies....so little time.

 

[DeeDee249]

Besides, reading all those lies and inconsistancies makes my eyes bleed.

 

[Ames]

DeeDee...
I was looking for the part that you mentioned about the plastic container in JB's room, and how John said that it may have contained the pineapple..and I found this. First time I have ever seen this before....because...I agree...if you read these interviews all the way through...it CAN make your eyes bleed...LOL


4 MIKE KANE: Did you know anything
5 about JonBenet having dumbbells in her room?
6 Did she work out or anything like that?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so.

 

[JMO8778]

LOL...yeah, I know that she denied putting it on the table. And her prints were all over it...along with Burkes. OH...but SHE didn't put it there....yeah right!!

I'm guessing JB's mouth must have been wiped w. the kleenex,after eating the pineapple.that's why she denies it.or maybe Patsy sat at the table and cried at some point,precipitating the q's about which makeup brand she wore.

 

[JMO8778]

Ames, you may be right. Though I do recall seeing somewhere that PR denied owning the bowl, and even denied owning the box of tissue, saying she never bought that kind (standard box) but she always bought the small boxes (she meant the square boutique-size tissues). JR did admit the silver serving piece was part of their set. What these 2 don't realize is that it flies in the face of reason to think that an intruder brought not only the tape and nylon cord (though there is a harware store receipt showing PR may have bought both these items not long before the murder), also the tissue box ????? and knew where the Rs keep their good silver? Or are we expected to believe that an intruder had the TIME (from 10-10:30 PM) to
1.Pull up the heavy metal grate to the basement window hoping no one will hear/see and taking care in the DARK not to break the spider web found there the next day, then WAIT till the occupants seem asleep
2. Remove JBR from her bed, possibly with the aid of stun gun
3. Take her to the kitchen and give her a pineapple snack, looking through cabinets for the silverware and dishes and popping that tissue box out of their whatever to stage the table for whatever reason,
4. Bring her BACK upstairs (fibers found in the bed ? OR bring (or carry) her down to the basement, tie her up, molest her there, with the aid of materials from PRs paint tote in the basement, which was NOT brought up, so the materials required a trip to the basement in the dark in that maze of a house hoping no one hears or comes down to see you.
5. Bash her skull with either a flashlight, bat, or something else, all the while doing the above SOoooo quietly as BR was just down the hall
6. Pull the white blanket from the basement dryer (housekeeper says it was always washed there as it didn't fit in the one outside JBR's room) placing carefully on the blanket an arm hair from PR
7. Wipe the blood from JBR's thighs using a shirt from JR which the intruder had to sneak up to the bedroom while the parents were sleeping to get a shirt JR wore that day, as well as then going to PRs dressing area/bath and getting HER red plaid fleece jacket without waking the parents also and with tweezers, removing some of the jacket fibers to entangle in the gartotte, oh WAIT, you ALREADY MADE the garrotte, so you have to untie the garrotte to place the jacket fibers there
8. Then you have to place PRs fibers on the back side of the tape you used to keep JBR quiet, no WAIT, she's already dead, so she's REAL quiet, so you pull the tape off (wearing latex gloves, also used to molest her- there are NO prints on the tape) place PRs fibers back on the tape, put it back on the unmoving lips
9. Redress the body after searching for a clean pair of panties, of course being SO quiet as you have to go back upstairs to JBR's room and search for her panties which are NOT where most kids keep their underwear and somehow miraculously find a brand new clean pair, but they are size 12 so they were probably NOT in her bathroom drawers
10. Drag the body into the wineceller
11. Go back upstairs and take a notepad and sharpie from the kitchen area and write a practice note and then 3-page ransom note, while carefully forging the note to look like PRs handwriting, which somehow the intruder spent a lot of time studying after searching the home for PR's writing samples
12. Replace notepad and sharpie, leaving the practice note for PR to ADMIT she wrote (for another purpose) later and place the note at the foot of a stairway that is NOT the main stairway and you have NO idea is the one the family uses
13. Pull the suitcase under the basement window and try to balance it to climb straight UP a wall and out that same window- OH WAIT- I forgot first you have to pull a CHAIR in front of the door to that room AFTER you have already closed the door, etc
ALL before PR woke up at 5:30am.
Are you exhausted from reading this? I am. Imagine how an intruder would have felt. Somehow looking at it like this makes an intruder seem impossible.

yes, and he also bothered to take the time to put the grate back in place,even though JB screamed loud enough for the nbors to hear !

 

[JMO8778]

I honestly feel the Rs never thought either the too-big panties OR the bowl of pineapple/spoon/tea bag in water glass would EVER be made an issue of. They just didn't realize LE would think anything of it. They never thought anyone would pay attention to whether the underwear JBR was wearing when she died fit her, nor did they think LE would even realize they were not her right size.
And you can bet that the Rs NEVER though pineapple would be found still in her digestive tract. They just never gave it a thought. I doubt any killer (whether deliberate murder or accidental death) thinks about what the last thing his victim ate and whether it would still be identifiable if an autopsy was done.
While many killers are savvy about DNA and such (wiping the body, wiping the flashlight AND batteries, possibly using latex gloves, NO fingerprints on the tape pulled from her mouth, even though JR SAYS he pulled it off and FW claims to have picked it up and dropped it back on the blanket) I really do not think many killers think about what will be found in the digestive tract and how that impacts estimated time of death.
I think when that pineapple in JBR's small intestine was identified, the Rs were so shocked that they had to distance themselves as far as possible from it. There is NOTHING unusual about giving your child a late night snack of pineapple UNLESS she dies about 2 hours later. That's the only reason to deny you gave it to her, and even deny that you own the BOWL. That bowl was clearly shown on the R table at their party on the 23rd. And BR identified the bowl as belonging to the house when he was questioned. Of all the big things that make me suspect the Rs, it's the little things like this that convince me they are guilty.

can you imagine the looks on their attorney's faces when they found out about the pineapple? there had to have been no doubt they were lying then.otherwise they would have asked if JB had anything to eat bf going to bed;(if they had any experience w/ murder).so the R's must have told them JB went straight to bed...and they saw straight thru that after the autopsy.

 

[JMO8778]

DeeDee...
I was looking for the part that you mentioned about the plastic container in JB's room, and how John said that it may have contained the pineapple..and I found this. First time I have ever seen this before....because...I agree...if you read these interviews all the way through...it CAN make your eyes bleed...LOL


4 MIKE KANE: Did you know anything
5 about JonBenet having dumbbells in her room?
6 Did she work out or anything like that?
7 JOHN RAMSEY: I don't think so.

as in hand weights? I wonder if she could have been hit with those?

 

[Ames]

I'm guessing JB's mouth must have been wiped w. the kleenex,after eating the pineapple.that's why she denies it.or maybe Patsy sat at the table and cried at some point,precipitating the q's about which makeup brand she wore.

LOL...I am guessing that she was probably crying when she was writing the ransom note, and that's why the kleenexes were there.

 

[Ames]

yes, and he also bothered to take the time to put the grate back in place,even though JB screamed loud enough for the nbors to hear !

What sort of intruder REPLACES a notepad and pen that is used to write the RN on....AND the window grate?? He was just SO polite!!!

 

[Ames]

as in hand weights? I wonder if she could have been hit with those?

Yes, hand weights. I wonder the same thing. I have never, ever read about this before on any of the JB boards. It is toward the end of John's 98 interview.