The actual vs. desired outcome

[JMO8778]

And WHY JB? Why not Burke? IMO...a boy would be alot closer to his dad, than a daughter would be. Of course, I don't have any sons....so I may be wrong. JB was closer to her mother though, that is a known fact...as I think that most girls are closer to their moms. And I agree...why not a bomb on Patsy's car....why not wait until EVERYBODY is out of the house....kids are at school, John is at work....and kill or kidnap Patsy? Whether it be by a bomb on the car, or just breaking in....speaking of which. I think that IF an intruder...or THREE intruders as some IDI's claim, broke into a wealthy person's home...you would THINK that they would have taken SOMETHING!!! But they took NOTHING....not even the flashlight, so that they could use it to see with. Not even John's cigar boxes and cigars...that he smuggled in from Cuba. NOTHING!

this was featured on Unsolved Mysteries several yrs ago..when a navy ship shot down a civilian jetliner by mistake..apparently some of the family members/and or friends of the victims on the jet were angry(no doubt),and they started calling the Capt.'s wife,when he wasn't home,and (I don't recall),but I believe they started making threats,and then they came to the US,and asked their neighbors about them,and where they lived.It was a couple of men that were seen (now pls don't go there IDI's (rolling eyes) ),dark skin,and they appeared to be from the middle east.Anyway,I believe they were seen watching their house on several occasions,in a car on the st.The Capt and his wife always kept their cars in a closed garage when they weren't driving them.But the *one night his wife left her van out,the 2 men apparently planted a bomb underneath it,which went off while she was at a stoplight.(but,she got out and was ok).
My point is these ppl *waited for the perfect opportunity *outside the house.And apparently it must have been quite a while before they felt comfortable leaving their cars out.But..no one came into the house,not even into their garage,they left NO NOTE,only anonymous phone calls,etc.And it was perfectly clear why they were angry,they left no doubt about that.

 

[Ames]

I can't help but wonder if they were afraid someone would call in anonymously and tell more than we publicly know now.

Well of COURSE that is what they were afraid of. If your child had of been murdered (GOD FORBID!!)...wouldn't you just JUMP at the chance at having his/her case featured on AMW....and possibly finding his/her killer? NO....the Ramsey's were afraid of that, and that is the ONLY POSSIBLE reason that they did NOT want their daughter's case to be on that show. Because, HEAVEN FORBID...someone call in with a tip...or because of the show...even more public interest is drummed up.

 

[Ames]

my neighbors look for their missing horses more than they looked for JB that morning! sometimes they jump the fence and they're always walking 2-3 miles down the rd looking for them,within just a few minutes.(and no,no small town girl here,they were allowed to keep them when annexed).

LOL...yep, my mother-in-law spent more time looking for her cat, then John did, for JB or any clues. That just BOTHERS me!!! That....alone...is a sign of guilt, in MY eyes. IMO

 

[JMO8778]

Well of COURSE that is what they were afraid of. If your child had of been murdered (GOD FORBID!!)...wouldn't you just JUMP at the chance at having his/her case featured on AMW....and possibly finding his/her killer? NO....the Ramsey's were afraid of that, and that is the ONLY POSSIBLE reason that they did NOT want their daughter's case to be on that show. Because, HEAVEN FORBID...someone call in with a tip...or because of the show...even more public interest is drummed up.

And Walsh offered to treat then fairer than anyone ever had been.But he's honest and the R's prefer someone like Moriarty over him,and to me that says a lot.They ran w. their tail between their legs at the offer of being on AMW.

 

[JMO8778]

LOL...yep, my mother-in-law spent more time looking for her cat, then John did, for JB or any clues. That just BOTHERS me!!! That....alone...is a sign of guilt, in MY eyes. IMO

and Patsy goes and SITS in the sunroom..it would be impossible to sit and stay in one place if you really believed your child was missing !! She would have been running all over the place if she'd really thought JB was KN!

 

[Ames]

this was featured on Unsolved Mysteries several yrs ago..when a navy ship shot down a civilian jetliner by mistake..apparently some of the family members/and or friends of the victims on the jet were angry(no doubt),and they started calling the Capt.'s wife,when he wasn't home,and (I don't recall),but I believe they started making threats,and then they came to the US,and asked their neighbors about them,and where they lived.It was a couple of men that were seen (now pls don't go there IDI's (rolling eyes) ),dark skin,and they appeared to be from the middle east.Anyway,I believe they were seen watching their house on several occasions,in a car on the st.The Capt and his wife always kept their cars in a closed garage when they weren't driving them.But the *one night his wife left her van out,the 2 men apparently planted a bomb underneath it,which went off while she was at a stoplight.(but,she got out and was ok).
My point is these ppl *waited for the perfect opportunity *outside the house.And apparently it must have been quite a while before they felt comfortable leaving their cars out.But..no one came into the house,not even into their garage,they left NO NOTE,only anonymous phone calls,etc.And it was perfectly clear why they were angry,they left no doubt about that.

Right...and that makes sense. ANY intruder/killer/kidnapper/member of a small foreign faction....is NOT going to break into a house full of people..and "kidnap"...and then OOPS...murder a child of the parents that are sleeping nearby, not to mention a sibling sleeping nearby too. IF THEY WERE REAL...they would have broke in on Patsy while everyone else was away....kids at school, John at work. Or if it is JB that they wanted, for some reason, instead of Patsy....they would have grabbed her when she was alone outside, riding her bike or something. Not wait until Christmas day....break in, wait for hours on end, write a stupid RN, and then when the family is sleeping, take a chance that the parents or brother may not happen to get up and go to the bathroom, or get a drink of water...heaven forbid...check on JB...sneak into her room, take her downstairs...and kill her. That is just simply taking way too many chances...making the task pretty doggone difficult.

 

[JMO8778]

Right...and that makes sense. ANY intruder/killer/kidnapper/member of a small foreign faction....is NOT going to break into a house full of people..and "kidnapped"...and then OOPS...murder a child of the parents that are sleeping nearby, not to mention a sibling sleeping nearby too. IF THEY WERE REAL...they would have broke in on Patsy while everyone else was away....kids at school, John at work. Or if it is JB that they wanted, for some reason, instead of Patsy....they would have grabbed her when she was alone outside, riding her bike or something. Not wait until Christmas day....break in, wait for hours on end, write a stupid RN, and then when the family is sleeping, take a chance that the parents or brother may not happen to get up and go to the bathroom, or get a drink of water...heaven forbid...check on JB...sneak into her room, take her downstairs...and kill her. That is just simply taking way too many chances...making the task pretty doggone difficult.

yes and they were obviously too afraid to go inside the house,or even into a closed garage.they waited for a long time for the right moment.and they didn't use a $2.29 cord!
I started not to post that,thinking the IDI's would run w. it...'JR secretly shot down a passenger jetliner in his tiny little 2-bit airplane,now 2 foreign gentlemen are hoping he will get some rest and use his good southern common sense..'

 

[Ames]

And Walsh offered to treat then fairer than anyone ever had been.But he's honest and the R's prefer someone like Moriarty over him,and to me that says a lot.They ran w. their tail between their legs at the offer of being on AMW.

Yeah, from what I hear...Walsh is on THEIR side, for some reason. From what I read, he was questioned when his son disappeared....and he KNOWS that he had nothing to do with it. So, I guess that he thinks that NO PARENT would ever be involved in the murder of their own child....just because he was wrongly accused...he thinks that the Ramsey's are too.

I can think of NO GOOD reasonable explanation as to why the Rams would NOT want JB's case featured on AMW...other than the one that we have just discussed here...they were afraid that MAYBE this case might be solved..and their butts would end up in jail. What other possible reason could there be??

My aunt and cousin was on that show awhile back...they jumped at the chance...even though they were still mourning the death of a daughter/sister. My aunt's oldest daughter was shot and killed by her husband...and AMW featured a story on Victims of Crime...and they were on there. That was about 14 years ago....my point....is that even though it had just happened, and they were in mourning...they still jumped at the chance to go onto that show and tell their story. The only difference between them and the Ramseys is....they KNEW who killed their daughter, but the Ramseys...SUPPOSEDLY...do not. I can think of NO BETTER REASON than to go onto that show!

 

[Ames]

and Patsy goes and SITS in the sunroom..it would be impossible to sit and stay in one place if you really believed your child was missing !! She would have been running all over the place if she'd really thought JB was KN!

Sure she would have! She and John BOTH would not only be ripping that house apart...but knocking on doors. But, then again...they didn't even question their own son...who was just feet away, when JB was supposedly taken from her room....so why should we expect them to start questioning the neighbors. BOTH OF THESE...ARE A SIGN OF GUILT...imo.

 

[Ames]

yes and they were obviously too afraid to go inside the house,or even into a closed garage.they waited for a long time for the right moment.and they didn't use a $2.29 cord!
I started not to post that,thinking the IDI's would run w. it...'JR secretly shot down a passenger jetliner in his tiny little 2-bit airplane,now 2 foreign gentlemen are hoping he will get some rest and use his good southern common sense..'

Oh just wait...holdon and Callan will take it and run with it...along with all of the IDI's that are over on crimelibrary. You have just given them another IDI theory...anything and anybody that points AWAY from their precious Ramsey's. :crazy:

 

[JMO8778]

Sure she would have! She and John BOTH would not only be ripping that house apart...but knocking on doors. But, then again...they didn't even question their own son...who was just feet away, when JB was supposedly taken from her room....so why should we expect them to start questioning the neighbors. BOTH OF THESE...ARE A SIGN OF GUILT...imo.

and Patsy would have been a flurry of phone calls,to the housekeeper for one..IF she'd really thought it was her who'd taken JB..or to the neighbors,on a cell phone,*if even that ! NOT to the friends to have them come over !! I think I would freeze,just freeze,from fear,and think about what to do first,if I'd really thought that happened.Because if someone has your child, there would be a certain sense of defeat already,'as in ok,they've got her,NOW what do I do to get her safely back??? The note says not to call LE!' And if my spouse picked up the phone to call,I'd probably be slapping his hand,screaming,yelling 'NO,DON'T DO THAT !! THE NOTE SAYS NOT TO CALL !'
The R's are just unreal.

 

[JMO8778]

Oh just wait...holdon and Callan will take it and run with it...along with all of the IDI's that are over on crimelibrary. You have just given them another IDI theory...anything and anybody that points AWAY from their precious Ramsey's. :crazy:

yes, really,let's see what kind of kooky theories they come up with ! Next thing you know,they'll be part of a SFF,stalking US citizens w. private planes ! Oh yea,that's it ! LOL.

 

[Ames]

and Patsy would have been a flurry of phone calls,to the housekeeper for one..IF she'd really thought it was her who'd taken JB..or to the neighbors,on a cell phone,*if even that ! I think I would freeze,just freeze,from fear,and think about what to do first,if I'd really thought that happened.Because if someone has your child, there would be a certain sense of defeat already,'as in ok,they've got her,NOW what do I do to get her safely back??? The note says not to call LE!' And if my spouse picked up the phone to call,I'd probably be slapping his hand,screaming,yelling 'NO,DON'T DO THAT !! THE NOTE SAYS NOT TO CALL !'
The R's are just unreal.

UNREAL...yeah, that's ONE word for them. If the kidnapping and ransom note was real....it stated that they would give JB back to them, if they delivered 118.000.00. Okay, that is peanuts to them...so why then, does Patsy sit on her butt, surrounded by friends.....looking at photo's of JB...and walking down memory lane? That is something that you do when you KNOW that your child is dead....not when they have been kidnapped, and the note said that she would be returned to them unharmed for the right price. Her looking at photos of JB with her friends...reminds me of those "MEMORY BOARDS" (pictures of the deceased)...that people put up at the funeral home, during family and friends visitation.

 

[Ames]

yes, really,let's see what kind of kooky theories they come up with ! Next thing you know,they'll be part of a SFF,stalking US citizens w. private planes ! Oh yea,that's it ! LOL.

LOL..what they will say is...."JMO8778...over on WBS, posted that John shot down a plane, and p.o.'d some middle eastern guys...and that they were the intruders". You wait and see.....it WILL happen. They will twist it around, and then credit you for saying it.

 

[JMO8778]

LOL..what they will say is...."JMO8778...over on WBS, posted that John shot down a plane, and p.o.'d some middle eastern guys...and that they were the intruders". You wait and see.....it WILL happen. They will twist it around, and then credit you for saying it.

oh no,DISCLAIMER on this one,before the fact ! LOL.

 

[Ames]

oh no,DISCLAIMER on this one,before the fact ! LOL.

You are so funny!

 

[coloradokares]

LOL..what they will say is...."JMO8778...over on WBS, posted that John shot down a plane, and p.o.'d some middle eastern guys...and that they were the intruders". You wait and see.....it WILL happen. They will twist it around, and then credit you for saying it.

Yes and I can see it now it was reported by me that Julie Hayden covered that story but I really dont know her !!

 

[coloradokares]

Yes and I can see it now it was reported by me that Julie Hayden covered that story but I really dont know her !!

Hey can I still jump in on that disclaimer!!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

yes and they were obviously too afraid to go inside the house,or even into a closed garage.they waited for a long time for the right moment.and they didn't use a $2.29 cord!
I started not to post that,thinking the IDI's would run w. it...'JR secretly shot down a passenger jetliner in his tiny little 2-bit airplane,now 2 foreign gentlemen are hoping he will get some rest and use his good southern common sense..'

The idea that JR did something that made someone mad is your idea, that you're projecting onto IDI as if to show how absurd IDI is for thinking it up. You thought it up.

The idea that the perp would be better off kidnapping JBR in broad daylight is your idea also. I'm pretty sure that three people representing a foreign faction would handle things more carefully. Think about it, if it really was three people representing SSF, then they had nighttime entry into JR's house, hours of prep time before the R's got there, hours more uninterrupted in the basement, and still hours more with JBR.

Face it, IDI's three people not only had the ability but hat plenty of time to commit this crime.

 

[JMO8778]

The idea that JR did something that made someone mad is your idea, that you're projecting onto IDI as if to show how absurd IDI is for thinking it up. You thought it up.

The idea that the perp would be better off kidnapping JBR in broad daylight is your idea also. I'm pretty sure that three people representing a foreign faction would handle things more carefully. Think about it, if it really was three people representing SSF, then they had nighttime entry into JR's house, hours of prep time before the R's got there, hours more uninterrupted in the basement, and still hours more with JBR.

Face it, IDI's three people not only had the ability but hat plenty of time to commit this crime.

LOL.there ya go..scenario no. 1!