The actual vs. desired outcome

[Solace]

Yes, that's it! THANK YOU!!!.....It's the case of pregnancy amnesia again...I can't remember ANYTHING these days.

He shot the priest supposedly from a range of approximately 2 football fields away and got him. The judge is okay, but he must have been realllllllllllllllly angry to go after the judge.

 

[Ames]

My memory stinks, too. I really gave myself a pat on the back for knowing Mack's name!

Well, you did good! That would have worried me to death all day long...it even keeps me awake at night, if I can't remember someone's name. I don't sleep, until I think of it....

 

[Ames]

He shot the priest supposedly from a range of approximately 2 football fields away and got him. The judge is okay, but he must have been realllllllllllllllly angry to go after the judge.

They had a taped interview of him...it was taken outside, for some reason...and you could tell that he just thought that he was God's gift. Exactly like Scott Peterson....self centered and conceited.

 

[JMO8778]

They had a taped interview of him...it was taken outside, for some reason...and you could tell that he just thought that he was God's gift. Exactly like Scott Peterson....self centered and conceited.

His ex is probably very lucky she didn't get hurt,too !

 

[JMO8778]

I agree. :clap:

me too...short and to the point.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,
JR, PR, BR are all co-conspirators they all know what occurred that night, they have all colluded via either silence, loss of memory, or uttering inconsistent statements.

Its that simple. No evidence of an intruder, one corpse, three residents all suffering from varing degrees of amnesia, two of which are directly linked to the crime-scene by forensic evidence, makes it a no-brainer!

No amount of fact invention, or reputation spinning can change that.

Its that simple if you want to go on believing in mythical things.

I think you're confusing two people directly linked to the crime-scene with two people directly linked to the victim. Maybe what you're forgetting is that after a long day JR and PR fibers can be expected all over JBR, and are subject to secondary transfer in profusion.

You're post brings up lots of claims with zero supporting facts. Fiber evidence you're holding up like its a smoking gun or something. Its far from it.

Instead, try dealing with the RN. We already know JR didn't write it, and only one or two professionals claimed PR wrote it. Too bad for RDI it wasn't a consensus, because a consensus was needed for the argument to be at all convincing. The feds didn't jump on that bandwagon at all. One professional with similar credentials claimed JMK wrote the note. Go figure.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

OH REALLY?? How many OTHER intruders have you heard of...besides the Ramsey case....that arrive and leave during the night, bring black tape and cord, write a three page ransom note while in the home, has their way with a 6 year old girl, murder the girl....in her OWN HOME...with the parents and a brother INSIDE the house, sleeping just feet away??? And not leave any evidence.... Can you think of any? No? I didn't think so....

You read something into my post that wasn' t there. I meant that among the JBR murder scenarios, the scenario where the perp arrives and leaves during the night, brings tape and cord, etc., isn't new.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,

Another lets make it up as we go along statement. Go do your research , use google check out criminal profiling and staging and you will find that in the majority of staged homicides it is the stager who discovers the body. Its not a law of the universe but in the context of a staged homicide it is an indicator of who is good for it!

If I were JR, and a co-conspirator, and LE asked me to search the house, There's NO WAY I would go to the basement first. You can spin that 'til you're dizzy and it wont change my mind.

 

[Ames]

You read something into my post that wasn' t there. I meant that among the JBR murder scenarios, the scenario where the perp arrives and leaves during the night, brings tape and cord, etc., isn't new.

Gottcha!

 

[Ames]

If I were JR, and a co-conspirator, and LE asked me to search the house, There's NO WAY I would go to the basement first. You can spin that 'til you're dizzy and it wont change my mind.

Although this is not directed at me, I see where you are coming from. But, John had already told the investigators there that morning that he had searched JB's room, and some other rooms in the house. So, he would have looked suspicious going back into those rooms again, the only room left to check, was the basement. I think that he was getting antsy...and just wanted the whole thing to be over with, too. IMO

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Although this is not directed at me, I see where you are coming from. But, John had already told the investigators there that morning that he had searched JB's room, and some other rooms in the house. So, he would have looked suspicious going back into those rooms again, the only room left to check, was the basement. I think that he was getting antsy...and just wanted the whole thing to be over with, too. IMO

He had already been to the basement, and dwelled there because of the window/suitcase thing. So he would have looked even more suspicious by first going back to the place where he'd already spent the most time. Its most likely that JR was not a co-conspirator, and was most suspicious of the basement, which is why he went there first.

JR getting antsy, etc. is your personal fiction.

 

[Ames]

He had already been to the basement, and dwelled there because of the window/suitcase thing. So he would have looked even more suspicious by first going back to the place where he'd already spent the most time.

JR getting antsy, etc. is your personal fiction.

Yeah, and three intruders is YOUR personal fiction.

I think that when he went there the first time...that he moved the body so that it could be more easily "found". So, really he had already "searched" the whole house. Let me ask you this...why then...when he went down to the basement the first time, did he NOT look in the WC?? He claimed to have searched every place else...including spending a total of 30 SECONDS (its in his interview....I will post it if needed)...outside looking for clues. If you were searching the your house for clues...would you leave any room unturned??

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yeah, and three intruders is YOUR personal fiction.

Uh, I resent that.

The perp implicitly states there were three intruders, so I didn't 'make it up'. Since I didn't 'make it up', its not my personal fiction.

That JR moved JBR's body to make it harder to find is again your personal fiction.

 

[DeeDee249]

JR knew by that time of the day on the 26th (1pm) that JBR had been dead about 12 hours. The way she looked by then was pretty horrific. To have waited any longer would have been intolerable to a parent, even one involved with the crime.
Here's what I think: JBR was put in the wineceller and the door latched to keep her from being found by anyone ELSE searching the house. JR HAD to be the one to find her. I don't think he would have put PR though it. Both left forensic evidence on the body and they knew it. JR solved HIS problem by "finding" the body and carrying her upstairs. PR solved HER problem by throwing herself on the body.

If only Officer French had tried to open that door! How different this case would be if the parents had not been allowed to touch her corpse after she was found.

 

[Ames]

Uh, I resent that.

The perp implicitly states there were three intruders, so I didn't 'make it up'. Since I didn't 'make it up', its not my personal fiction.

That JR moved JBR's body to make it harder to find is again your personal fiction.

Sorry...didn't mean to hit a nerve.

NO, the RN does NOT say anything about three intruders..it states that two gentlemen are "watching over your daughter", plus the author make three. BUT...the whole kidnapping thing was a lie. She was NOT kidnapped....so two gentlemen were NOT watching over her. The RN never at one time, said that there were THREE intruders. For all we know, IF the RN was real...which it wasn't....but, the way that it is worded would mean....your daughter has been taken out of the house, by the author of the RN.. and two other gentlemen are watching over her. Remember..it went on to ask for money, and that she would be returned. So, when the note was written, the plan was to take her out of the house. Again, it NEVER stated that there were THREE INTRUDERS.

 

[Ames]

JR knew by that time of the day on the 26th (1pm) that JBR had been dead about 12 hours. The way she looked by then was pretty horrific. To have waited any longer would have been intolerable to a parent, even one involved with the crime.
Here's what I think: JBR was put in the wineceller and the door latched to keep her from being found by anyone ELSE searching the house. JR HAD to be the one to find her. I don't think he would have put PR though it. Both left forensic evidence on the body and they knew it. JR solved HIS problem by "finding" the body and carrying her upstairs. PR solved HER problem by throwing herself on the body.

If only Officer French had tried to open that door! How different this case would be if the parents had not been allowed to touch her corpse after she was found.

Yeah, that was weird...what sort of "intruder" locks the door? If he hated John so much, that he would kidnap/kill his daughter...why would he bother locking the door? I agree with you, John locked it to keep anybody from looking in there. In his mind, he probably thought...well, if I lock this door, they will think that they have no reason to look in here.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Sorry...didn't mean to hit a nerve.

NO, the RN does NOT say anything about three intruders..it states that two gentlemen are "watching over your daughter", plus the author make three. BUT...the whole kidnapping thing was a lie. She was NOT kidnapped....so two gentlemen were NOT watching over her. The RN never at one time, said that there were THREE intruders. For all we know, IF the RN was real...which it wasn't....but, the way that it is worded would mean....your daughter has been taken out of the house, by the author of the RN.. and two other gentlemen are watching over her. Remember..it went on to ask for money, and that she would be returned. So, when the note was written, the plan was to take her out of the house. Again, it NEVER stated that there were THREE INTRUDERS.

The idea that she was not kidnapped is your opinion. Legally she was. Besides, you don't know that because she was found dead, not kidnapped from the house, that the RN therefore was a lie. The RN could've been the intention at the time it was written.

The RN author did implicitly state there were three intruders.

 

[Ames]

The idea that she was not kidnapped is your opinion. Legally she was. Besides, you don't know that because she was found dead, not kidnapped from the house, that the RN therefore was a lie. The RN could've been the intention at the time it was written.

The RN author implicitly stated there were three intruders.

No it doesn't. NOWHERE in that note..does it say..."THERE ARE THREE OF US IN YOUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW". So the RN author does not implicitly state any such thing. Two gentlemen watching over your daughter, is not the same as there are three of us in your house right now. Even the Ramsey's don't believe that there were three....just one. So, since Patsy wrote the note...that tells me that they were trying to make it look like ONE intruder broke into the house, wrote a bogus RN...and then killed their daughter.

How can TWO GENTLEMEN watch OVER a dead person? How can they return her safely, and get their money...IF she is dead. It was NOT a kidnapping. She was abducted and taken to the basement...she was NOT kidnappped.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No it doesn't. NOWHERE in that note..does it say..."THERE ARE THREE OF US IN YOUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW". So the RN author does not implicitly state any such thing. Two gentlemen watching over your daughter, is not the same as there are three of us in your house right now. Even the Ramsey's don't believe that there were three....just one. So, since Patsy wrote the note...that tells me that they were trying to make it look like ONE intruder broke into the house, wrote a bogus RN...and then killed their daughter.

How can TWO GENTLEMEN watch OVER a dead person? How can they return her safely, and get their money...IF she is dead. It was NOT a kidnapping. She was abducted and taken to the basement...she was NOT kidnappped.

Of course she was kidnapped. Abducting is kidnapping. It obviously then became a murder. Its my guess the RN was written while JBR was alive.

I'll slow down: The RN author implied that three people were involved, in the sum of his statements in the RN.

 

[UKGuy]

Its that simple if you want to go on believing in mythical things.

I think you're confusing two people directly linked to the crime-scene with two people directly linked to the victim. Maybe what you're forgetting is that after a long day JR and PR fibers can be expected all over JBR, and are subject to secondary transfer in profusion.

You're post brings up lots of claims with zero supporting facts. Fiber evidence you're holding up like its a smoking gun or something. Its far from it.

Instead, try dealing with the RN. We already know JR didn't write it, and only one or two professionals claimed PR wrote it. Too bad for RDI it wasn't a consensus, because a consensus was needed for the argument to be at all convincing. The feds didn't jump on that bandwagon at all. One professional with similar credentials claimed JMK wrote the note. Go figure.

Holdontoyourhat,
Sure we can expect fiber transfer from her parents, but fibers on the underside of tape affixed to JonBenet's mouth , fibers embedded into the garrote knotting, fibers in the pait-tote and fibers on JonBenet's wiped down genitals are not to be expected!

The ransom note is staged and as such has little evidential value e.g. its alike forming an intruder theory by using the garrote as evidence, just as Lou Smit did. Not only that, knowing who wrote the ransom note, intruder or not, will tell you nothing about who killed JonBenet.