The actual vs. desired outcome

[UKGuy]

Of course she was kidnapped. Abducting is kidnapping. It obviously then became a murder. Its my guess the RN was written while JBR was alive.

I'll slow down: The RN author implied that three people were involved, in the sum of his statements in the RN.

Holdontoyourhat,

The FBI Field Agents that came and took a look decided it was no kidnapping, and told the BPD this. They reckoned it was a domestic homicide.

The ransom note is fake, it is staged , it does not correspond to any crime that took place in the real world. To use it to generate any theory is a waste of time, you do not believe me, go find Lou Smit, and ask him about his intruder theory.

 

[JMO8778]

Although this is not directed at me, I see where you are coming from. But, John had already told the investigators there that morning that he had searched JB's room, and some other rooms in the house. So, he would have looked suspicious going back into those rooms again, the only room left to check, was the basement. I think that he was getting antsy...and just wanted the whole thing to be over with, too. IMO

yes and remember his older kids were going to be showing up soon...I think he wanted to 'find' her before they arrived..so they wouldn't see her....and then when they got there...they could vouch for what a great dad he was.

 

[Squishified]

Uh, I resent that.

The perp implicitly states there were three intruders, so I didn't 'make it up'. Since I didn't 'make it up', its not my personal fiction.

That JR moved JBR's body to make it harder to find is again your personal fiction.

But what if the note itself is pure fiction? Do you give possibility to the fact that someone other than an intruder wrote the note?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,
Sure we can expect fiber transfer from her parents, but fibers on the underside of tape affixed to JonBenet's mouth , fibers embedded into the garrote knotting, fibers in the pait-tote and fibers on JonBenet's wiped down genitals are not to be expected!

Sure they are. Its not unexpected to find R fibers all over JBR from direct and secondary tranfer. Finding R fibers anywhere in the R's own house isn't remarkable at all.

The ransom note is staged and as such has little evidential value ...

You can't throw away the RN or minimize its value just because it doesn't suit your ideas of what happened. You don't know it was staged at all. THats your claim.

Not only that, knowing who wrote the ransom note, intruder or not, will tell you nothing about who killed JonBenet.

You're kidding, right?

 

[JMO8778]

No it doesn't. NOWHERE in that note..does it say..."THERE ARE THREE OF US IN YOUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW". So the RN author does not implicitly state any such thing. Two gentlemen watching over your daughter, is not the same as there are three of us in your house right now. Even the Ramsey's don't believe that there were three....just one. So, since Patsy wrote the note...that tells me that they were trying to make it look like ONE intruder broke into the house, wrote a bogus RN...and then killed their daughter.

How can TWO GENTLEMEN watch OVER a dead person? How can they return her safely, and get their money...IF she is dead. It was NOT a kidnapping. She was abducted and taken to the basement...she was NOT kidnappped.

the author is writing a story,no doubt.I believe the intent was to say the author himself was still in the home,writing the note,(they had to have an excuse for the notepad being found there),while there were 2 others who were watching JB at that moment,at some undisclosed location,as she had already been taken away.(and that's the excuse for JB being gone from her bedroom).
JR locked the WC,hoping no thorough search would be done, and that the note would be enough to have it be believed that JB had been definitely removed from the house,as the '2 gentlemen' were already, at that time,'watching' her.IOW-there is no need to search further-she is not here.Remember they also had obviously made previous phone calls,as LE was told to treat them as victims,not as suspects.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

They reckoned it was a domestic homicide.

Do you have a source for this? I believe they probably considered it a child homicide, and I'm not sure if that falls under FBI jurisdiction. You're claiming the FBI considers it a domestic homicide, but I dont think you can back it up.

Please don't tell me that they made an RDI conclusion the same day, even before any forensics were done. Is that the remark you're referring to?

 

[JMO8778]

I'll slow down: The RN author implied that three people were involved, in the sum of his statements in the RN.

why should we just be fool enough to believe a ridiculous note,when there is a dead body found in the house??? That's like trusting a drug dealer or any other kind of criminal...criminals lie.And unfortunately, the parents can be criminals just as easily as any other suspect can be,esp.when their dead child is in the house.

 

[JMO8778]

Sure they are. Its not unexpected to find R fibers all over JBR from direct and secondary tranfer. Finding R fibers anywhere in the R's own house isn't remarkable at all.

that's not how forensics work,as I'm sure you know.In fact that's a pretty flimsy excuse.So we are supposed to believe IDI without question on this,when forensic scientific evidence tells us that Patsy is easily placed at the crime scene???? How ridiculous.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

that's not how forensics work,as I'm sure you know.In fact that's a pretty flimsy excuse.So we are supposed to believe IDI without question on this,when forensic scientific evidence tells us that Patsy is easily placed at the crime scene???? How ridiculous.

Nice try. PR's fibers are easily placed on JBR, who was obviously at the crime scene. Tell me, aren't the fibers you're holding up high found on JBR??? Wow what an amazing find. Parent fibers on their child.

 

[JMO8778]

You read something into my post that wasn' t there. I meant that among the JBR murder scenarios, the scenario where the perp arrives and leaves during the night, brings tape and cord, etc., isn't new.

he must have brought it with Paty's fibers already on the cord and tape,how convenient.

 

[JMO8778]

One professional with similar credentials claimed JMK wrote the note. Go figure.

he assumed he would be safe in saying so,as he thought there was definitive evidence on Karr,(seeing as he was brought here all the way from Thailand),so he jumped on the bandwagon.Obviously he didn't know how Boulder works.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

why should we just be fool enough to believe a ridiculous note,when there is a dead body found in the house???

Believing or not believing the note, and whether or not the note is ridiculous, is practically irrelevant. At least we know the note is an expression of at least one of the perps, so it should be taken more seriously than a hardware store receipt.

 

[JMO8778]

PR's fibers are easily placed on JBR, who was obviously at the crime scene.

yes,Patsy was obviously at the crime scene,no doubt.her fiber evidence leaves little doubt about that.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

yes,Patsy was obviously at the crime scene,no doubt.her fiber evidence leaves little doubt about that.

Clever (yawn)

 

[JMO8778]

Believing or not believing the note, and whether or not the note is ridiculous, is practically irrelevant. At least we know the note is an expression of at least one of the perps, so it should be taken more seriously than a hardware store receipt.

and the note is ridiculous.

but you're already ruling out the parents as authors,taking it the note could only be written by an intruder...that's a foolish assumption.

In DOI,JR says, 'but what if we hadn't killed JonBenet?'

maybe that's a pretty telling line...

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

and the note is ridiculous.

but you're already ruling out the parents as authors,taking it the note could only be written by an intruder...that's a foolish assumption.

In DOI,JR says, 'but what if we hadn't killed JonBenet?'

maybe that's a pretty telling line...

There was this brutal child murder with a brutal RN almost brandishing brutality, and you're pointing fingers at the Ozzie and Harriet of criminality. Get real, and at least then you'll be on the right track.

 

[Squishified]

There was this brutal child murder with a brutal RN almost brandishing brutality, and you're pointing fingers at the Ozzie and Harriet of criminality. Get real, and at least then you'll be on the right track.

Ozzie and Harriet are guilty in this case.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Ozzie and Harriet are guilty in this case.

Uh, the perp's a brutal person, as evidenced by the RN and by the nature of the injuries to JBR. Neither JR nor PR have any signs of being brutal, so neither JR or PR fit the profile of JBR's killer. Its that simple.

 

[Squishified]

Uh, the perp's a brutal person, as evidenced by the RN and by the nature of the injuries to JBR. Neither JR nor PR have any signs of being brutal, so neither JR or PR fit the profile of JBR's killer. Its that simple.

There are exceptions to every profile. Remember the DC area snipers?? ALL the profilers were wrong about that.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

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There are exceptions to every profile. Remember the DC area snipers?? ALL the profilers were wrong about that.

So RDI says: disregard the RN, disregard the garrote around her neck, and disregard that neither parent matches the profile. Anything else to disregard? How about DNA and dark fibers? How about the cord fibers in JBR's bed? Disregard those too?

Disregard no evidence of other use of cord. Disregard the fact that the R's walk in and out of the police station. Disregard no consensus PR wrote the note? Disregard no smoking gun that ever linked the R's?

How much disregarding does RDI expect us to do? Practically everything?