The actual vs. desired outcome

[Squishified]

So RDI says: disregard the RN, disregard the garrote around her neck, and disregard that neither parent matches the profile. Anything else to disregard? How about DNA and dark fibers? How about the cord fibers in JBR's bed? Disregard those too?

Disregard no evidence of other use of cord. Disregard the fact that the R's walk in and out of the police station. Disregard no consensus PR wrote the note? Disregard no smoking gun that ever linked the R's?

How much disregarding does RDI expect us to do? Practically everything?

Can I disregard your post? I'm just teasing. I don't disregard any of the items you mentioned. It's just that they all lead to the Ramsey's, in my opinion. I've been IDI in the past (I was RDI turned IDI turned RDI), but I keep coming back to the Ramsey's as the only suspects.
It is cool that you are IDI--I've got no beef with you.

 

[BOESP]

There was this brutal child murder with a brutal RN almost brandishing brutality, and you're pointing fingers at the Ozzie and Harriet of criminality. Get real, and at least then you'll be on the right track.

Several qualified experts stated the ransom note was bogus. Obviously, you don't choose to consider their opinion. That makes your statements biased. Experts who were a part of the Ramsey defense team couldn't exclude Patsy either. The five-point system used by the Ramsey defense to say Patsy likely didn't write the note was a clever smoke and mirrors statement. There isn't any such official rating scale. And if you analyze their 4-on-a-scale-of-5 statement, that works out to a 20% probability Patsy did write the note.

All child murders are brutal and most child murders are committed by a family member, a friend, or someone known to the family. Most victims found in the home, hidden away in the farthest reaches and wrapped in a blanket with their face covered, are killed by someone closely related who lives in the home. The totality of the evidence suggests the best probabilities for who killed JonBenet.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Can I disregard your post? I'm just teasing. I don't disregard any of the items you mentioned. It's just that they all lead to the Ramsey's, in my opinion. I've been IDI in the past (I was RDI turned IDI turned RDI), but I keep coming back to the Ramsey's as the only suspects.
It is cool that you are IDI--I've got no beef with you.

Maybe we should wait 'til opposites day and we can have a more rational discussion.:crazy:

 

[Squishified]

Maybe we should wait 'til opposites day and we can have a more rational discussion.:crazy:

Huh? I'm irrational? I was trying to be nice to you. Maybe on opposite day, my theory will make total sense to you?

 

[Ames]

Of course she was kidnapped. Abducting is kidnapping. It obviously then became a murder. Its my guess the RN was written while JBR was alive.

I'll slow down: The RN author implied that three people were involved, in the sum of his statements in the RN.

He IMPLIED that three people were INVOLVED...not that there were THREE INTRUDERS. It would be hard enough for just ONE intruder to pull it off with three other people sleeping just feet away. Three people, in the home at that particular time...without waking a soul., or leaving TONS of evidence..is IMPOSSIBLE.

 

[BOESP]

Its that simple if you want to go on believing in mythical things.

I think you're confusing two people directly linked to the crime-scene with two people directly linked to the victim. Maybe what you're forgetting is that after a long day JR and PR fibers can be expected all over JBR, and are subject to secondary transfer in profusion.

You're post brings up lots of claims with zero supporting facts. Fiber evidence you're holding up like its a smoking gun or something. Its far from it.

Instead, try dealing with the RN. We already know JR didn't write it, and only one or two professionals claimed PR wrote it. Too bad for RDI it wasn't a consensus, because a consensus was needed for the argument to be at all convincing. The feds didn't jump on that bandwagon at all. One professional with similar credentials claimed JMK wrote the note. Go figure.

Look at the totality of the evidence, Holdon. One doesn't t analyze evidence then dispose of it because it doesn't fit one's theory. You correlate it after you analyze it. If it fits in more than one slot, allow for that. If it doesn't fit in any slot, set it aside (maybe to be brought back later or maybe not).

CASKU did support the theory that the evidence suggested the killer was someone close to JonBenet who had access and a high level of comfort in the home. They also allowed that because of JonBenet's exposure in the pageant industry that it widened the number of possible suspects. However, the gist was the suspect had to have reasonable access. There is no reasonable body of evidence that suggests there was an Intruder.

We've posted so many links to comments attributed to "the Feds" that I can only assume you don't read them just as I assume you haven't read Steve Thomas's book or the Ramsey book. In addition, anyone interested can do a search using Google with the words JonBenet, FBI, and/or CASKU, and come up with a lot of information ... if they are truly interested ... so if you ask again for Internet citations I won't do your research for you.

 

[Ames]

But what if the note itself is pure fiction? Do you give possibility to the fact that someone other than an intruder wrote the note?

I find it very odd..that "three intruders" that were foreign, would even KNOW that John was from the south, which is referred to in the RN. Not only that, they had a very good grip on the english language....and could spell extremely well....attaché, for example. No..no foreigner wrote that ransom note.

 

[Ames]

Sure they are. Its not unexpected to find R fibers all over JBR from direct and secondary tranfer. Finding R fibers anywhere in the R's own house isn't remarkable at all.



You can't throw away the RN or minimize its value just because it doesn't suit your ideas of what happened. You don't know it was staged at all. THats your claim.


You're kidding, right?

Have you forgotten that the Ramsey's are STILL under an umbrella of suspicion? If it was so clear cut...that there were three intruders...then WHY are the Rams still suspects...after all these years?

 

[Ames]

Of course she was kidnapped. Abducting is kidnapping. It obviously then became a murder. Its my guess the RN was written while JBR was alive.

I'll slow down: The RN author implied that three people were involved, in the sum of his statements in the RN.

Let me ask you this...how did those three intruder's KNOW that they would find the supplies needed to write that RN? In other words, every home has a supplies for writing notes...how did they know that they could locate them? We keep ours in a drawer. Why the heck didn't they write one, and stick, it in their pocket, before even coming to the house. Why waste precious time, once they arrived?? It makes NO SENSE!! One more question...how did they escape? Did they ride their bikes, walk, skateboard? I am serious...how do you think that they managed to get away...the houses in that neighborhood are thisclose together. SOMEONE would have hear SOMETHING....the neighbors dog didn't even bark. And the neighbor said that the dog barked at anything and everything...it even barked at one of the officers that was heading over there to question the neighbor. So how did those intruders manage to get away, with the dog or dogs barking....or the neighbors seeing or hearing anything?? The houses there are just just like any subdivision, extremely close together, I have seen the arial view. Anyway, I have asked many IDI's this question, but have yet to get an anwer. Please help...

 

[Ames]

Nice try. PR's fibers are easily placed on JBR, who was obviously at the crime scene. Tell me, aren't the fibers you're holding up high found on JBR??? Wow what an amazing find. Parent fibers on their child.

Now explain how they got under the tape (on the sticky side) that was on her mouth, entwined in the garotte, and inside of the paint tray....we are talking about fibers from the exact same clothes that she had on that night. NOW...if there were fibers from...say....a jogging suit, or a dress, or another outfit.....it wouldn't be as quite as incriminating.

 

[Ames]

he must have brought it with Paty's fibers already on the cord and tape,how convenient.

And don't forget the paint tote....oh, I got it...maybe the three intruders snuck in...on another night, and took the paint tote, and then when the Ramsey's weren't home, they just took a wild stab at the outfit that she would probably be wearing the night of the Christmas party...and they took it too. Then they scraped fibers from her jacket, onto the cord and tape....AND inside the paint tote, and brought all of that back with them, when they showed up Christmas night, to kidnapped JB. (Gee, I have just given them yet another IDI scenario to run with).

 

[Ames]

There was this brutal child murder with a brutal RN almost brandishing brutality, and you're pointing fingers at the Ozzie and Harriet of criminality. Get real, and at least then you'll be on the right track.

WOW..and that "brutal" RN, did not have even ONE curse word. Now what sort of person would write a "brutal" RN, and leave out curse words....I will tell you who...the "Christian" Ozzie and Harriet of criminality...that's who.

 

[BOESP]

WOW..and that "brutal" RN, did not have even ONE curse word. Now what sort of person would write a "brutal" RN, and leave out curse words....I will tell you who...the "Christian" Ozzie and Harriet of criminality...that's who.

Ames, according to some IDI, the Intruder had hours to write the note. Wouldn't you think the Intruder having all that leisure time while the Ramseys were at the White's would have sounded less erratic when writing the note? The note is so disorganized the person had to be on something, in my opinion. :innocent:

 

[Ames]

Uh, the perp's a brutal person, as evidenced by the RN and by the nature of the injuries to JBR. Neither JR nor PR have any signs of being brutal, so neither JR or PR fit the profile of JBR's killer. Its that simple.

OH PLEASE...and Susan Smith's family and friends...said that she didn't fit the profile of a child killer either.

Fitting a certain profile doesn't mean cr@p, when someone snaps. You need to watch that show on Court TV, called..."SNAPPED". NONE of those murderer's that are featured on the show, fit the profile of a murderer...that's the reason that they call it ..."SNAPPED". That is what happens when someone does something that is totally out of character for them. Like that Mary Winkler woman, for example....the timid preacher's wife that killed her husband, or Andrea Yates....the list goes on and on and on. Why are the Ramsey's exempt from snapping.... just because they SAY they are??? Well, I can say that I am a movie star...but that doesn't make it so.

 

[Ames]

So RDI says: disregard the RN, disregard the garrote around her neck, and disregard that neither parent matches the profile. Anything else to disregard? How about DNA and dark fibers? How about the cord fibers in JBR's bed? Disregard those too?

Disregard no evidence of other use of cord. Disregard the fact that the R's walk in and out of the police station. Disregard no consensus PR wrote the note? Disregard no smoking gun that ever linked the R's?

How much disregarding does RDI expect us to do? Practically everything?

Show me a reliable link that states that rope fiber was found in her bed.

And I guess that YOU disregard the fact that the Rams are STILL under an umbrella of suspicion, there IS a reason for that you know.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

WOW..and that "brutal" RN, did not have even ONE curse word. Now what sort of person would write a "brutal" RN, and leave out curse words....I will tell you who...the "Christian" Ozzie and Harriet of criminality...that's who.

No American curses? Hmm.

 

[Ames]

Maybe we should wait 'til opposites day and we can have a more rational discussion.:crazy:

No...that wouldn't work either, because on opposites day, YOU would be RDI..and Squishy would be IDI...so, you would be back at square one.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

OH PLEASE...and Susan Smith's family and friends...said that she didn't fit the profile of a child killer either.

Fitting a certain profile doesn't mean cr@p, when someone snaps. You need to watch that show on Court TV, called..."SNAPPED". NONE of those murderer's that are featured on the show, fit the profile of a murderer...that's the reason that they call it ..."SNAPPED". That is what happens when someone does something that is totally out of character for them. Like that Mary Winkler woman, for example....the timid preacher's wife that killed her husband, or Andrea Yates....the list goes on and on and on. Why are the Ramsey's exempt from snapping.... just because they SAY they are??? Well, I can say that I am a movie star...but that doesn't make it so.

OK but in the case of JBR, you KNOW the killer is brutal. Beheading a child is unusually brutal, then going ahead and garrote strangling AND headbasing a child is unusually brutal. You're gonna have to come up with something PR did that was brutal, if you expect anyone to believe PR wrote the note. A consensus among CDE's concluding she wrote it would've been nice too. After all it was 2 1/2 pages, certainly enough material for them to work with.

 

[Ames]

No American curses? Hmm.

HUH? I don't get what you are saying...I never said that No American curses. What I said was...if that RN was so "brutal"...then where are the curse words? It would be more like..."We have your fu--ing daughter, you sob". The RN was SOFT, motherly. I advise you to be well rested....etc. It doesn't sound like someone that is SO angry with John that they would want to kidnap or murder his daughter. How did the foreigners know that he was a "fat cat" and from the south? John and Patsy claimed to be Christians....Patsy was raised in church, (churches preach against cursing), therefore....that is why there are absolutely NO curse words in that "brutal" sounding RN.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

HUH? I don't get what you are saying...I never said that No American curses. What I said was...if that RN was so "brutal"...then where are the curse words? It would be more like..."We have your fu--ing daughter, you sob". The RN was SOFT, motherly. I advise you to be well rested....etc. It doesn't sound like someone that is SO angry with John that they would want to kidnap or murder his daughter. How did the foreigners know that he was a "fat cat" and from the south? John and Patsy claimed to be Christians....Patsy was raised in church, (churches preach against cursing), therefore....that is why there are absolutely NO curse words in that "brutal" sounding RN.

No slang, no street language, no American slang either. Good point. There's lines from American movies and the 'fat cat' term.