The actual vs. desired outcome

[JMO8778]

Hold completely ignored my posts on the MacDonald case...Hold,what do you have to say about that????

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

You are wrong holdon...FBI EXPERTS could not reach a conclusion.

From ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS...

"Boulder District Attorney Alex Hunter contacted Foster in the fall of 1997 to help with the investigation. Police took the ransom note to handwriting experts from the FBI, the Secret Service and a private firm in California, but none offered a definitive conclusion. A Colorado Bureau of Investigation handwriting expert found "indications" that Patsy Ramsey wrote the ransom note, according to a search warrant in the case."

You need to start doing a little bit of research before you start spouting things off that you have no proof of.

"Richard Dusick (sic) of the U.S. Secret Service concluded that there was "no evidence to indicate that Patsy Ramsey executed any of the questioned material appearing on the Ransom Note."

Oft quoted Ubowski: "the evidence falls short..."

"During the investigation, the Boulder Police Department and Boulder County District Attorney's Office consulted at least six handwriting experts. (SMF P 191; PSMF P 191.) All of these experts consulted the original Ransom Note and original handwriting exemplars from Mrs. Ramsey. (SMF P 205; PSMF P 205.) Four of these experts were hired by the police and two were hired by defendants. (SMF P 191; PSMF P 191.) None of the six consulted experts identified Mrs. Ramsey as the author of the Ransom Note. (SMF P 195; PSMF P 195.

PR as the notewriter is one of RDI's weakest arguments, unless you limit your sources to the tabloid hires, that is. As soon as you get close to the case investigation, the consensus is that PR did not write the note. Period.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

and JR LIED and said it was tied tightly,when it wasn't.now why would he do that???? because he knew the staging was poorly done.and that's probably one reason he wanted to find her himself.
I think Patsy did the wrist ligatures;JR saw they weren't staged in a believable way,but he was afraid to touch them,out of fear of leaving his own forensic evidence behind,as well as they may have just ran out of time to do anything else with them..her arms were already in rigor,and I think Patsy wanted to use up the rest of the cord.not being able to get her hands closer together,that was the best she could do.as Thomas said,it was a symbolic gesture to make it appear she'd been bound.

OMG, now not only was it staging but it was staging JR wasn't happy with. And I'm the one making stuff up as I go along. LOL.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBenét_Ramsey

"Handwriting samples were taken from a number of suspects who might have written the ransom note. Forensic analysis cleared everyone except for Patsy Ramsey, whose writing style bore some resemblance to the ransom note.[6][4]"

Well, duh, if the perp really was representing a foreign cult, the perp's not going to be among those analyzed, now is he?

RDI: Uh, no.

Were any 'foreign faction representitives' analyzed?

RDI: Uh, no. We're not looking at them. We're too smart for that.

Remember now, the R's house had windows and doors and everything, and just about anybody can come and go thru them.

RDI: But the doors were locked.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Question for RDI: Why were there no fingerprints found on the RN?

 

[DeeDee249]

Latex gloves? Found in PR's bathroom- she used them when she died hair. They could also have been leftover from her chemo treatments. I would guess that most women who dye hair at home (or their child's hair) have latex gloves.

 

[JMO8778]

Question for RDI: Why were there no fingerprints found on the RN?

same reason there was no sweat on it either..and I bet there wasn't.I don't think most ppl know that ppr can be analyzed for that??? I know it's done in the cases of suicide notes;a real one would usually show a vast amount of sweat,from the author being serious about carrying out the suicide.

 

[JMO8778]

Well, duh, if the perp really was representing a foreign cult, the perp's not going to be among those analyzed, now is he?

RDI: Uh, no.

Were any 'foreign faction representitives' analyzed?

RDI: Uh, no. We're not looking at them. We're too smart for that.

Remember now, the R's house had windows and doors and everything, and just about anybody can come and go thru them.

RDI: But the doors were locked.

Hold can you please tell us WHY you are taking the note at face value?? Or pretending to anyway....do you not think that the author might LIE??? (you admitted that some parts are not truthful) ...to take the note at face value,you would have to assume that all criminals are honest...no matter WHO wrote the note.but, they aren't....

And besides that,I will say this one more time....that is absolutely the STUPIDEST piece of work I have ever seen !! It is obviously not even REAL !! The whole thing is a joke of an attempt to blame an intruder,nothing more.AND it is hardly violent...there is no real sense of threat to it !! Patsy might as well have said she baked a gingerbread man and was going to behead him...that's how lame the note is.NOPE,no real threat there.
She should have just signed the RN 'LOVE,PATSY'.

 

[JMO8778]

OMG, now not only was it staging but it was staging JR wasn't happy with. And I'm the one making stuff up as I go along. LOL.

JR himself said if he'd staged it,he could have done a better job.I think he meant it.He knew the staging was poor,and I don't think he ever thought Patsy would get away with it.Thus the reason for his wanting to ASAP out of town,when JB's body was found.

 

[Rino]

Question for RDI: Why were there no fingerprints found on the RN?

Because the author wore gloves? Are you now going to tell us that the Ramseys didn't wear writing gloves?

 

[Solace]

"Richard Dusick (sic) of the U.S. Secret Service concluded that there was "no evidence to indicate that Patsy Ramsey executed any of the questioned material appearing on the Ransom Note."

Oft quoted Ubowski: "the evidence falls short..."

ONE MORE TIME, PerFect M/P.Town, Page 537 - CHET UBOWSKI WAS PREPARED TO TESTIFY THAT PATSY RAMSEY WROTE THE NOTE.

:slap:

 

[Solace]

Question for RDI: Why were there no fingerprints found on the RN?

There were. Patsy's!:doh:

 

[Rino]

There were. Patsy's!:doh:

They don't count - they are inconsistant with a foreign faction!!!:crazy:

 

[Nuisanceposter]

As soon as you explain why that was the family's nickname for John.

Was this the family's nickname?

YES! Nedra Paugh in particular joked about "fat cats" in relation to JR. I think ST was the source for that.

I love Nedra's comments in ST - some of the best inside info that implicates the Rs came straight from her. For example, both Pam and Polly Paugh denied that JB wet the bed, but Nedra went into detail about how JB not only wet the bed, but had come home from DW's in borrowed undies with her wet ones in a plastic baggie. She also supplied with the details of JB "dirtying" by not properly wiping herself and needing an adult to make sure her bottom was cleaned after every bowel movement.

 

[Solace]

They don't count - they are inconsistant with a foreign faction!!!:crazy:

Actually, there were no prints on the note, which is strange since both Patsy and John handled it, so they say.

 

[Rino]

Actually, there were no prints on the note, which is strange since both Patsy and John handled it, so they say.

I was using my IDI logic.

It is also strange due to the fact it was their pad in their home, never mind they both read it.

 

[Nuisanceposter]

Holdon, for your consideration, here is furthur comment from one of the experts. The IDI don't often quote his full comments -

"Leonard Speckin, a private forensic document examiner, concluded that differences between the writing of Mrs. Ramsey's handwriting and the author of the Ransom Note prevented him from identifying Mrs. Ramsey as the author of the Ransom Note, but he was unable to eliminate her. However, Speckin was ready to testify that "there was only an infinitestimal chance that some random intruder would have handwriting characteristics so remarkably similar to those of a parent sleeping upstairs."


Ready to testify, about an "infinitetismal chance"...he's right...especially considering Ubowski's comments that Patsy's exemplars did not suggest the true range of her handwriting capability.

Patsy wrote that note.

 

[BOESP]

What's the consensus on Patsy agreeing with Steve Thomas when he asked Patsy on live television would she agree that whoever wrote the note also killed JonBenet. Patsy agreed with Thomas. The agreement was hesitant, however, and she sounded unsure of herself in my opinion.

 

[Rino]

What's the consensus of Patsy agreeing with Steve Thomas when he asked Patsy on live television would she agree that whoever wrote the note also killed JonBenet. Patsy agreed with Thomas. The agreement was hesitant, however, and she sounded unsure of herself in my opinion.

An admisison of guilt. She was sure though, that they would not be able to prove she wrote the note in a court of law.

 

[Ames]

Actually, there were no prints on the note, which is strange since both Patsy and John handled it, so they say.

I think if anything...the fact that there were NO prints...and they both admitted to handling the note.... spells guilt. It wouldn't make any sense for their prints NOT to be on the note...if they handled the note, as they say they did. IMO...latex gloves (the ones found in Patsy's drawers....and Holdon, I know that you are going to say..."How do you know that Patsy had latex gloves?" SO, before you ask...go read her 98 interview)...were used while the note was written, by Patsy....she placed it on the stairs and it wasn't handled again, until she handed it to investigators, or else...her prints and John's would have been found.