The Anthony Family: Who Might be the First to Tell the Truth?

[Snaz]

I'm sure TruTV will be covering the trial live. I've followed a number of trials, and with some of the high profile cases, local television stations have provided live-streaming coverage for those who are out of the area.

One trial that I was intensely following was the Darren Mack trial (wealthly Reno, Nevada businessman accused of murdering his wife and shooting their divorce judge). The trial was moved to Las Vegas and local television provided live streaming of the trial. Now, I don't know if that same television station broadcast the trial live to local customers.

But, in this case, I'm sure at least one or more local Orlando television stations will provide live streaming due to the national interest in this case. In that case, if the Anthonys are kept out of the courtroom because they're witnesses who haven't completed testifying, they could simply watch the trial live on their home computers along with everyone else who's following the case.

I realized when I read your post that my post was not very clear.

I feel certain that all the same stations that have been streaming the hearings online will also stream the trial. But I don't believe the local tv stations will interrupt regular programming to show the trial.

Like I said, though, I haven't actually heard one way or the other on the local news, so I could very well be wrong.

At the very least, truTV will be covering the trial live; although it is a pain to watch with all their interruptions.

JMO

 

[AZlawyer]

"The Anthony Family: Who Might be the First to Tell the Truth?"

IMO Caylee was the first member of that family to tell the truth, and her propensity for truth-telling likely contributed to Casey's decision to kill her.

 

[Cabin girl]

"The Anthony Family: Who Might be the First to Tell the Truth?"

IMO Caylee was the first member of that family to tell the truth, and her propensity for truth-telling likely contributed to Casey's decision to kill her.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[LCoastMom]

IMO there are only two Anthony's who know the whole truth - one won't tell and one can't tell because (in a very symbolic act) her mother wrapped duct tape across her face, into her hair - forever sealing her secrets.

If CA were to admit to herself what her daughter did to her granddaughter, she would end up in a psychiatric hospital, therefore she will go to her grave believing ICA is innocent.

For some reason (that is beyond me), GA is still loyal to CA and refuses to hurt her with what he believes happened - so he too keeps their secrets.

LA can't tell what he knows or thinks he knows, without condemning both his sister and his mother. Something he won't do - Caylee can't be brought back regardless, so he stands silently by - trying to keep what's left of his family as intact as possible.

For a group of people who claim to love someone dearly (as I'm sure they all think they do/did) they sure tossed the victim, in favor of the perp so fast it made most people dizzy. At one time I held out hope for GA or LA - to step forward as Caylee's champion, no more. They will say as little as possible under oath - followed by "I can't speculate" or "That's what you say - I don't know that to be true!" After all in Anthonyland (derived from Disney's Fantasyland) Caylee is alive and well, living in New York.

This family both appalls me and fascinates me in a sick, twisted way. While I've seen plenty of families go through high drama, I've never seen a family so removed from reality as this one - early on it was if they were sharing a hallucination. LE said black, the A Team said white - LE said left, the A's went right! I highly doubt that Tim Miller is the only professional who has never seen a case like this one!

 

[Cabin girl]

IMO there are only two Anthony's who know the whole truth - one won't tell and one can't tell because (in a very symbolic act) her mother wrapped duct tape across her face, into her hair - forever sealing her secrets.

If CA were to admit to herself what her daughter did to her granddaughter, she would end up in a psychiatric hospital, therefore she will go to her grave believing ICA is innocent.

For some reason (that is beyond me), GA is still loyal to CA and refuses to hurt her with what he believes happened - so he too keeps their secrets.

LA can't tell what he knows or thinks he knows, without condemning both his sister and his mother. Something he won't do - Caylee can't be brought back regardless, so he stands silently by - trying to keep what's left of his family as intact as possible.

For a group of people who claim to love someone dearly (as I'm sure they all think they do/did) they sure tossed the victim, in favor of the perp so fast it made most people dizzy. At one time I held out hope for GA or LA - to step forward as Caylee's champion, no more. The will say as little as possible under oath - followed by "I can't speculate" or "That's what you say - I don't know that to be true!" After all in Anthonyland (derived from Disney's Fantasyland) Caylee is alive and well, living in New York.

This family both appalls me and fascinates me in a sick, twisted way. While I've seen plenty of families go through high drama, I've never seen a family so removed from reality as this one - early on it was if they were sharing a hallucination. LE said black, the A Team said white - LE said left, the A's went right! I highly doubt that Tim Miller is the only professional who has never seen a case like this one!

There is so much you have written that I agree with. In particular your first sentence is poignant and accurate. I don't believe this family knows what love is. A child depends on the adults in their life to protect them. No one protected Caylee. What CA felt was not love as I recognize love. She used Caylee just as ICA did. Caylee was the tool they used to hurt each other. If my granddaughter lived with me I would know the babysitter whether it was 2 months or 2 years. I would have wanted to share phone numbers in case anything happened and she needed to contact me. I would have wanted to meet her. When the grandchild lives with you, I believe you take on more responsibility to the child then you would if the child lived separately. GA has a history of self absorbed behavior that CA has tolerated. Their weapon of choice is money. GA would have taken everything from CA which is the only reason she didn't go through with the divorce - thinking it was cheaper to just live it out..... I don't think they have any problem hurting each other. LA is as messed up as the rest of them. They are now handcuffed to each other by the cover up and lies for which there is no key to release them, for the truth would see another type of handcuffs. JMHO

 

[Snaz]

There is so much you have written that I agree with. In particular your first sentence is poignant and accurate. I don't believe this family knows what love is. A child depends on the adults in their life to protect them. No one protected Caylee. What CA felt was not love as I recognize love. She used Caylee just as ICA did. Caylee was the tool they used to hurt each other. If my granddaughter lived with me I would know the babysitter whether it was 2 months or 2 years. I would have wanted to share phone numbers in case anything happened and she needed to contact me. I would have wanted to meet her. When the grandchild lives with you, I believe you take on more responsibility to the child then you would if the child lived separately. GA has a history of self absorbed behavior that CA has tolerated. Their weapon of choice is money. GA would have taken everything from CA which is the only reason she didn't go through with the divorce - thinking it was cheaper to just live it out..... I don't think they have any problem hurting each other. LA is as messed up as the rest of them. They are now handcuffed to each other by the cover up and lies for which there is no key to release them, for the truth would see another type of handcuffs. JMHO

Oh, wow, Cabin girl!!! You just said EXACTLY what I believe. Only much better than I could have ever said it! Thank you.

And LCoastMom's comment - IMO there are only two Anthony's who know the whole truth - one won't tell and one can't tell because (in a very symbolic act) her mother wrapped duct tape across her face, into her hair - forever sealing her secrets - was such raw truth, it hurt my heart to read it. The only person who knows the whole truth just won't tell. And I believe she will go to her grave without ever admitting to anyone exactly what she did.

As always, JMO.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I really want to see if one of them will officially crack on the stand during Casey's trial? They won't be able to simply hang-up the phone. Walk off a set. Or look to their lawyer to answer a question for them. They will have to sit there... be confronted with the endless lies... and answer the questions.

I do believe the SA will try to keep things simple with the Anthony's. I don't believe that the SA will even attempt to bring up Cindy's belief that Caylee is alive, but it will be an unavoidable subject, as I am sure that Cindy will make sure to let the jury know that she believes Caylee to still be alive. I think the SA will try to be gentle with the Anthony's, but I believe there will be a point during their testimony where the SA is going to have to get tough on them and one of those times is going to be them confronting Cindy about her belief that Caylee is alive.

A jury may see Cindy as a grandmother in denial, a woman so deep in that denial, that she believes that her grandchild is still alive even when all evidence points to her grandchild being dead.

That is NOT the reason Cindy believes Caylee is alive. Actually, Cindy does NOT believe Caylee is alive. She wants people to believe Caylee is alive so that they can not convict Casey Anthony of a murder that has not been committed. There is NO WAY that the SA is going to allow Cindy to go off on wild conspiracy theories... I don't know if I can say the same for the defense? I believe Cindy has been molded by the defense to say these things. They need to make people believe that Caylee is not dead. That she is living. That no murder has been committed. That Casey is innocent! That is the only way! Or at least make people believe that it is possible. Reasonable doubt!

Hopefully a good dose of objections by the State will keep this mess under control? I just can't seem to have a clear understanding of how they are going to keep Cindy and George under control? They believe that they should always have a right to talk as much as they want to, without anyone stopping to question their reasons for why they say what they say.

It's going to be interesting to say the least? My wishful thinking is that all of them have some sort of epiphany while sitting on that stand and decide to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help them God!

 

[Snaz]

I really want to see if one of them will officially crack on the stand during Casey's trial? They won't be able to simply hang-up the phone. Walk off a set. Or look to their lawyer to answer a question for them. They will have to sit there... be confronted with the endless lies... and answer the questions.

I do believe the SA will try to keep things simple with the Anthony's. I don't believe that the SA will even attempt to bring up Cindy's belief that Caylee is alive, but it will be an unavoidable subject, as I am sure that Cindy will make sure to let the jury know that she believes Caylee to still be alive. I think the SA will try to be gentle with the Anthony's, but I believe there will be a point during their testimony where the SA is going to have to get tough on them and one of those times is going to be them confronting Cindy about her belief that Caylee is alive.

A jury may see Cindy as a grandmother in denial, a woman so deep in that denial, that she believes that her grandchild is still alive even when all evidence points to her grandchild being dead.

That is NOT the reason Cindy believes Caylee is alive. Actually, Cindy does NOT believe Caylee is alive. She wants people to believe Caylee is alive so that they can not convict Casey Anthony of a murder that has not been committed. There is NO WAY that the SA is going to allow Cindy to go off on wild conspiracy theories... I don't know if I can say the same for the defense? I believe Cindy has been molded by the defense to say these things. They need to make people believe that Caylee is not dead. That she is living. That no murder has been committed. That Casey is innocent! That is the only way! Or at least make people believe that it is possible. Reasonable doubt!

Hopefully a good dose of objections by the State will keep this mess under control? I just can't seem to have a clear understanding of how they are going to keep Cindy and George under control? They believe that they should always have a right to talk as much as they want to, without anyone stopping to question their reasons for why they say what they say.

It's going to be interesting to say the least? My wishful thinking is that all of them have some sort of epiphany while sitting on that stand and decide to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help them God!

BBM

LolaMoom, I really enjoyed reading your post and agree with much of it.

But I have to respectfully disagree with your comment I bolded regarding Cindy being molded by the defense to say things like she still believes Caylee is alive. I agree with your assessment that Cindy doesn't really believe it, and is saying it to "try" to create reasonable doubt.

However, I can't agree that she has been molded by the defense to say such things. My first introduction to this case was seeing Cindy on Greta Van Susteran, talking about her "tips" and the "sightings" of Caylee all over creation. I believe by the time Cindy went on Greta's show, she already knew in her heart Caylee was gone. Not once did she plead for the "kidnapper" to return Caylee..... that whole segment was more about Cindy and how she was getting no sleep, rather than about Caylee and how to get her back. It was bizarre, to say the least. But IMO, Cindy says what Cindy wants to say. (BTW, I give kudos to the attorney who finally was able to convince her it was in her OWN best interest to quit running her mouth!)

I guess my point here is that Cindy has been spewing her crap since the very beginning, long before any of us ever knew that the remains of this little girl would ever be found. I actually think the defense would have preferred Cindy to keep her mouth shut, because IMO, she did more damage than good to KC's case.

:twocents:

 

[LolaMoon08]

BBM

LolaMoom, I really enjoyed reading your post and agree with much of it.

But I have to respectfully disagree with your comment I bolded regarding Cindy being molded by the defense to say things like she still believes Caylee is alive. I agree with your assessment that Cindy doesn't really believe it, and is saying it to "try" to create reasonable doubt.

However, I can't agree that she has been molded by the defense to say such things. My first introduction to this case was seeing Cindy on Greta Van Susteran, talking about her "tips" and the "sightings" of Caylee all over creation. I believe by the time Cindy went on Greta's show, she already knew in her heart Caylee was gone. Not once did she plead for the "kidnapper" to return Caylee..... that whole segment was more about Cindy and how she was getting no sleep, rather than about Caylee and how to get her back. It was bizarre, to say the least. But IMO, Cindy says what Cindy wants to say. (BTW, I give kudos to the attorney who finally was able to convince her it was in her OWN best interest to quit running her mouth!)

I guess my point here is that Cindy has been spewing her crap since the very beginning, long before any of us ever knew that the remains of this little girl would ever be found. I actually think the defense would have preferred Cindy to keep her mouth shut, because IMO, she did more damage than good to KC's case.

:twocents:

I agree that "molding" may have not been the right word choice, but Jose's "rosebud", imo, is doing exactly what the defense wants her to do... even if she is the one who came up with it.

I don't think the defense ever wanted to shut the Anthony's up. How many times, over the past few years, have their actions/words made us (maybe not us directly, but other people) question whether or not Cindy, George or Lee were actually involved in the murder themselves? I know it has been discussed here many times here on this forum.

All Jose needs is for one juror to believe that it is possible that someone other than Casey commited this crime. If even one juror questions the actions and words of the Anthony's as something other than them simply lying for their daughter... perhaps lying to protect themselves... then we get the mistrial Jose promised Casey. You don't think Jose's eyes light up every-single-time that Cindy, George or Lee have a inconsistent statement? Literally pointing the finger at the other as lying?

Here's an example of how Jose can spin the words/actions of the Anthony's and turn it into a reason to find that it is "possible" that Casey is not the one responsible for Caylee's murder.

Dominic Casey being out in those woods in mid-November.

It's important to note, that according to Cindy, she has had no communication with her daughter, Casey Anthony, since October 2008. She has not had a phone conversation. She has not had a visitation and she has not had any written communication with her daughter. All according to Cindy.

We all know that Dominic Casey was out in those woods off Suburban Drive in mid-November 2008. A full month before the remains of Caylee were found. It is on video-tape. It is clear that he is searching in "only" black trash bags... which ironically, some of the remains of Caylee Marie, were found inside a black trash bag. Most people believe that the murderer would be the only person to know where to look and what to look for.

According to everything we know, Dominic Casey was Cindy and George's Private Investigator in mid-November. I believe the last contact, according to DC himself, he had with Casey Anthony was in October? Maybe September?

We have Cindy, claiming in her state deposition, that she had no knowledge of Dominic Casey being out in those woods prior to December 11th, 2008. Something we all know is a LIE. A perfectly good question would be, why lie? What was she trying to hide? A perfectly reasonable question a juror might ask themselves is, did she know Caylee was out there? They may even think she knew Caylee was out there.

How would she know? She had no contact with Casey? Is she the murderer? Maybe Zanny = Cindy? Maybe Casey is so afraid of Cindy that she just can not come forward with the truth? Cindy has always been so adament about coming up with ways to explain away this Zanny person.... that could it be? Could Cindy be Zanny? She was the primary care-taker? She did have dogs... maybe not white dogs, but they're dogs just the same?

Now I'm getting carried away, but Cindy acting all kinds of crazy only hurts herself... she is just too blinded by her own ego to see that the defense is using her. MOO

 

[logicalgirl]

BBM

LolaMoom, I really enjoyed reading your post and agree with much of it.

But I have to respectfully disagree with your comment I bolded regarding Cindy being molded by the defense to say things like she still believes Caylee is alive. I agree with your assessment that Cindy doesn't really believe it, and is saying it to "try" to create reasonable doubt.

However, I can't agree that she has been molded by the defense to say such things. My first introduction to this case was seeing Cindy on Greta Van Susteran, talking about her "tips" and the "sightings" of Caylee all over creation. I believe by the time Cindy went on Greta's show, she already knew in her heart Caylee was gone. Not once did she plead for the "kidnapper" to return Caylee..... that whole segment was more about Cindy and how she was getting no sleep, rather than about Caylee and how to get her back. It was bizarre, to say the least. But IMO, Cindy says what Cindy wants to say. (BTW, I give kudos to the attorney who finally was able to convince her it was in her OWN best interest to quit running her mouth!)

I guess my point here is that Cindy has been spewing her crap since the very beginning, long before any of us ever knew that the remains of this little girl would ever be found. I actually think the defense would have preferred Cindy to keep her mouth shut, because IMO, she did more damage than good to KC's case.

:twocents:

Yes, I agree with most of your post. But want to add that although Cindy knows in her heart little Caylee is dead, she has not yet reached the point where she can sit on the stand in front of her daughter and admit it.

She is not yet at that point of truth. But I believe it is coming.

 

[crucibelle]

It's a no win if she's outside either. I'm sure she'll be texting like crazy with whoever she can in there, including Baez. I'm really hoping, once the trial starts, that cellphones and any other electronic devices like ipads or laptops or anything that can connect to the internet is banned from the courtroom. That would drive Cindy up the wall to be outside and not know ANYTHING about what's going on in the courtroom. I don't think there's televisions in the court house for her to watch either. That would make me insanely happy knowing that she's going insane, lol.

BBM. I totally agree!

As for who will crack -- I really think George might, especially after the abuse allegations by Casey.

I saw someone mention the 911 hearing earlier in this thread. I just watched those videos a couple of days ago, and it is my opinion that Cindy was heavily medicated. JMO and sorry for the OT.

 

[Purple Iris]

BBM. I totally agree!

As for who will crack -- I really think George might, especially after the abuse allegations by Casey.

I saw someone mention the 911 hearing earlier in this thread. I just watched those videos a couple of days ago, and it is my opinion that Cindy was heavily medicated. JMO and sorry for the OT.

I think the fastest and easiest way to get George to crack would be to haul him in to have a little talk with him, and show him that all of his pretty pastel shirts, kakhi peddle-pusher shorts and matching leather belts and sandles are being held hostage til he talks.
Throw a pair of old mucked up, paint stained sweat pants and a holey t-shirt at him, make him change into them, and let him know that his pretty clothes will not be returned til he squeals.

Then, start taking pictures of him sitting there, all flustered, and let him know that these pictures will be on the 6PM News, under "Breaking News".:floorlaugh:

 

[crucibelle]

I think the fastest and easiest way to get George to crack would be to haul him in to have a little talk with him, and show him that all of his pretty pastel shirts, kakhi peddle-pusher shorts and matching leather belts and sandles are being held hostage til he talks.
Throw a pair of old mucked up, paint stained sweat pants and a holey t-shirt at him, make him change into them, and let him know that his pretty clothes will not be returned til he squeals.

Then, start taking pictures of him sitting there, all flustered, and let him know that these pictures will be on the 6PM News, under "Breaking News".:floorlaugh:

LMAO!! Too funny! Perhaps the 'powers that be' will read this and try it? hahah! I think they need to take his tanning bed away, too. I know the man lives in sunny Florida, but I swear at times it looks like he must be making heavy use of a tanning bed.

 

[Purple Iris]

LMAO!! Too funny! Perhaps the 'powers that be' will read this and try it? hahah! I think they need to take his tanning bed away, too. I know the man lives in sunny Florida, but I swear at times it looks like he must be making heavy use of a tanning bed.

Oh Lord, how could I forget his tanning bed that I too am sure that he has.
Yep, unplug that bad boy, line up his pre-tanning lotions, his after tanning, and his extend a tan lotions all in a neat little line.

Then, take a swipe at em, knocking em off the table and refer to those items, as well as his clothes, as "remains" a few times.
He'll fold like a bad card table on Canasata Night ~:floorlaugh:

 

[logicalgirl]

Oh Lord, how could I forget his tanning bed that I too am sure that he has.
Yep, unplug that bad boy, line up his pre-tanning lotions, his after tanning, and his extend a tan lotions all in a neat little line.

Then, take a swipe at em, knocking em off the table and refer to those items, as well as his clothes, as "remains" a few times.
He'll fold like a bad card table on Canasata Night ~:floorlaugh:

Huh! Ole George??? Just toss him a few bucks and he'll open up pretty fast. It's about priorities....:banghead:

 

[Numbers]

LMAO!! Too funny! Perhaps the 'powers that be' will read this and try it? hahah! I think they need to take his tanning bed away, too. I know the man lives in sunny Florida, but I swear at times it looks like he must be making heavy use of a tanning bed.

George Hamilton is jealous of that tan.

 

[Aedrys]

I've wondered about local television coverage of the trial. For the past two plus years we've seen several local Orlando television stations stream live coverage of the hearings. I would imagine that at least one local television station will have full trial coverage.

Here's the scenario...........the prosecution has Cindy, George, and Lee testify within the first few days of the trial. I don't know the legal terminology for this, but lets say the prosecution requests that Cindy, George, and Lee be held for further testifying later in the prosecution's presentation of the case. This would mean that the Anthonys - Cindy, George, and Lee cannot be in the courtroom until the prosecution releases them from further testimony.

What's to stop the Anthonys from viewing the trial from their home in the comfort of their own living room? In a high profile case like this that likely to be televised, I can't see how anyone could be prevented from viewing the entire trial, even if they're a witness that's being prevented from being in the courtroom during the trial until they've completed testifying.

Because Cindy has to be the good martyr mother that is there is trial everyday for her beloved daughter. No way is she watching this from home. Now George and Lee, that is a whole other story. I think they may only be there when they have to testify. They may watch it from home or not. I think if they're not in the public eye, they're not going to bother watching it. Lee will work and get on with his life, and George will find a sugar momma to comfort him while Cindy is gone everyday.

But Cindy will DEFINITELY be there. Without a doubt. And that's why I hope she's there and trapped without a way to text or do anything on the internet. I hope she suffers alone for all the crap she's pulled. And I hope HHJP throws her out for smacking on gum too. Even if she can't be in the courtroom, though, she'll be right outside of it. She just has to be near her perfect, mini Cindy, can't have possibly murdered Caylee, daughter.

 

[sirensong]

All they have to do is show Caylee's memorial, that had nothing at all to do with Caylee. Who do the Anthony's love? Who do they miss?

 

[hornswoggled]

None of them will tell the whole truth. The habit is so entrenched in that family of talking in circles, speaking in unfinished sentences, and ultimately saying nothing that makes any sense. Not one of them will voluntarily tell the truth. They will just sprinkle words and phrases such as "you know what?" and "absolutely" and "mis-truths" and "I don't see the relevance of that question" until everyone in the Courtroom wants to hurl

The Court will have to admonish repeatedly and finally threaten to hold them in contempt or jail them before they will answer a direct question. It is going to totally frustrate the Court and the State. I surely do hope that Judge Perry has a game plan to put into action when this happens. We have already witnessed the Court having to sanction Jose Baez for not doing what the Court ordered. The Anthonys will be no different.

 

[Just Jayla]

BBM

LolaMoom, I really enjoyed reading your post and agree with much of it.

But I have to respectfully disagree with your comment I bolded regarding Cindy being molded by the defense to say things like she still believes Caylee is alive. I agree with your assessment that Cindy doesn't really believe it, and is saying it to "try" to create reasonable doubt.

However, I can't agree that she has been molded by the defense to say such things. My first introduction to this case was seeing Cindy on Greta Van Susteran, talking about her "tips" and the "sightings" of Caylee all over creation. I believe by the time Cindy went on Greta's show, she already knew in her heart Caylee was gone. Not once did she plead for the "kidnapper" to return Caylee..... that whole segment was more about Cindy and how she was getting no sleep, rather than about Caylee and how to get her back. It was bizarre, to say the least. But IMO, Cindy says what Cindy wants to say. (BTW, I give kudos to the attorney who finally was able to convince her it was in her OWN best interest to quit running her mouth!)I guess my point here is that Cindy has been spewing her crap since the very beginning, long before any of us ever knew that the remains of this little girl would ever be found. I actually think the defense would have preferred Cindy to keep her mouth shut, because IMO, she did more damage than good to KC's case.

:twocents:

And I agree with you as well-with a slight difference...I believe when CA wants to run her yap, she will. Superman could not stop her from doing it, just like Brad and Mark could not. It's just that she has no more bridges into the media graces, she has burned them all, and no one will listen to her crap without challenging her.

You are spot on about the defense having (or not having) a hand in it though....remember her JG rants? There was not evidence strong enough to pull her off of that belief, even when LE told her flat out that they know for sure JG had nothing to do with it. Once she sets her mind on a way to get KC out of this, she will follow through on it until she, like KC, gets to the end of that hallway and has no where else to go with it.