The British Royal Family - news, views, clothes & shoes! #10

[rosemadderlake]

No criticism of Kate being whiny and too “me”focused when talking about being a mother?

It’s hard to relate to Meghan when she’s talking about “existing not living” and when she says ‘not many people have asked how she is.’ Is that why Archie made his debut in Africa and not England?

Kate’s words are actually reflective - loneliness, isolation, and confidence are all things that any mother can relate to. And she adds the codicil of acknowledging she’s got help and a support system. She, in no way came off as whiny or “ me focused”. Her words were very thoughtful of others. Imo.

This isn’t really a contest. People either relate or they don’t. I think both Harry and Meghan are victims of their own poor choices. Plus, modernizing the monarchy their way is not going over very well from everything I’m reading.

Mental health is a tricky thing to communicate about especially when on a Royal trip focusing on several countries. In looking at the clip of the documentary, sorry, I cringed. It takes the focus off of the purpose of the trip. The whole support Meghan hashtags started in the USA takes the focus completely off the purpose of the trip.

The advert that the four royals did using their voices to promote mental health awareness was very effective and focused. And gives this very important cause its own voice separate from how many likes or cray comments one gets on social media which is very drama inducing.

I imagine QE is way beyond ‘not amused’.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Caution, salt ahead.

(New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygiene)

Does anyone know if there are any pictures of Queen Elizabeth wearing running shoes/sneakers? I don't think I have ever seen her in such footwear.

QE is visiting a Mosque? It looks like a special pair of socks so she doesn’t have to go barefoot.

Her black low heals are waiting for her at the door when she exits, I think.

 

[Elley Mae]

What do you lot reckon to this wedding dress?

Napoleon Bonaparte's descendant marries the great-great-great niece of French Emperor's wife | Daily Mail Online

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On one hand I like the pattern, on the other I think she should've worn a different fabric for the cape, and it's a bit odd on the boobage area. Cute tiara!

Further down the article we have wedding guest Beatrice dressed like a flippin' granny, AGAIN. She really needs to sort it out, she's only 31.

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Gorgeous dress.

Palmette motifs

Crown of Empress Eugénie


Crown of Empress Eugénie - Wikipedia



The stolen ring is a centuries-old French heirloom, and features a dazzling 40-carat diamond plucked from the crown of Napoleon III's wife (and Prince Jean-Christophe's ancestor), Empress Eugenie, pictured above.

Someone Stole a Historic 40-Carat Diamond Ring From the French Royal Family


Police recover ring set with a 40-carat diamond taken from the crown of France's last empress

Police recover ring set with a 40-carat diamond taken from the crown of France’s last empress

 

[Betty P]

It’s hard to relate to Meghan when she’s talking about “existing not living” and when she says ‘not many people have asked how she is.’ Is that why Archie made his debut in Africa and not England?

Kate’s words are actually reflective - loneliness, isolation, and confidence are all things that any mother can relate to. And she adds the codicil of acknowledging she’s got help and a support system. She, in no way came off as whiny or “ me focused”. Her words were very thoughtful of others. Imo.

This isn’t really a contest. People either relate or they don’t. I think both Harry and Meghan are victims of their own poor choices. Plus, modernizing the monarchy their way is not going over very well from everything I’m reading.

Mental health is a tricky thing to communicate about especially when on a Royal trip focusing on several countries. In looking at the clip of the documentary, sorry, I cringed. It takes the focus off of the purpose of the trip. The whole support Meghan hashtags started in the USA takes the focus completely off the purpose of the trip.

The advert that the four royals did using their voices to promote mental health awareness was very effective and focused. And gives this very important cause it’s own voice separate from how many likes or cray comments one gets on social media which is very drama inducing.

I imagine QE is way beyond ‘not amused’.

I'm still uncertain what is meant by "modernizing" the monarchy. Seems as though everyone has a different idea of what that means. JMO, it shouldn't mean "market branding" or mass commercializing of it. It shouldn't go the direction of cheap reality TV, bad manners, tacky behavior. Bringing more diversity, relaxed outreach to citizens, etc. are good things, but ignoring and abandoning all the great history, traditions and ceremonial dignity seems unnecessary and counter-productive. That's up to the subjects of the Queen, not to us, citizens of the US.

For those of you who are part of the British Empire, how do you define "modernizing the monarchy"?

 

[maggieg]

Sorry, still do not like Camilla, and never will. Same goes for Prince Charles. He is definitely not "Prince Charming".

I think its going to be really interesting when the next few series of the crown come out. A lot of people weren't alive or have forgotten all the nonsense of Charles and Camilla.

Its going to be very interesting to see do they play her in the series as a vixen or someone whos love for Charles knows no bounds. Theres no version of the story being retold IMHO where Charles comes off well.

I think Camilla has been very shrewd and not really put a foot wrong since she joined the RF, shes been steady and played the long game and I think people generally have come to accept her, there would not be the ire about her becoming Queen that there would have been right after Diana's death or shortly after her marriage to Charles.

(That being said shes portrayed terribly in The Windsors and its made me hope shes like that IRL)

 

[Kensie]

Meghan says she is 'existing not living' as she struggles with the pressures of royal life | Daily Mail Online


This is why people do not like them. Whining about everything. I feel like I am existing and not living. My life is not my own, having to work at a job that I tolerate at best and I am glad to have it, taking care of elderly parents. I don't complain to the world about it (except for now) . It is a responsibility that I have to do. I don't get luxury vacations and If I told my boss I was taking off for 6 weeks outside of an illness, I would be told to pack my stuff and not come back.

I know I said I was taking a vacation from this thread. I am not a hater, I am just tired of the endless disrespect of PH and MM. GROW-UP.

 

[Alethea]

It’s hard to relate to Meghan when she’s talking about “existing not living” and when she says ‘not many people have asked how she is.’ Is that why Archie made his debut in Africa and not England?

Kate’s words are actually reflective - loneliness, isolation, and confidence are all things that any mother can relate to. And she adds the codicil of acknowledging she’s got help and a support system. She, in no way came off as whiny or “ me focused”. Her words were very thoughtful of others. Imo.

This isn’t really a contest. People either relate or they don’t. I think both Harry and Meghan are victims of their own poor choices. Plus, modernizing the monarchy their way is not going over very well from everything I’m reading.

Mental health is a tricky thing to communicate about especially when on a Royal trip focusing on several countries. In looking at the clip of the documentary, sorry, I cringed. It takes the focus off of the purpose of the trip. The whole support Meghan hashtags started in the USA takes the focus completely off the purpose of the trip.

The advert that the four royals did using their voices to promote mental health awareness was very effective and focused. And gives this very important cause its own voice separate from how many likes or cray comments one gets on social media which is very drama inducing.

I imagine QE is way beyond ‘not amused’.

Bingo. And Kate’s talk was actually on topic: talking to mothers about the struggles of motherhood. She was saying: what you do is really hard and important, it was even hard for me with my privileges so I really appreciate what you’re doing. It makes people feel more normal to see if “even Kate” finds this difficult, it’s ok for me to find it difficult and get help when I need it. That’s an important message and different than crying to the press.

 

[Herat]

QE is visiting a Mosque? It looks like a special pair of socks so she doesn’t have to go barefoot.

Her black low heals are waiting for her at the door when she exits, I think.

Yes. My sense is that she would not think padding around barefoot would be acceptable, whereas the younger ones dont seem to have the problem.

And she doesn't strike me as being into pedicures, otherwise we'd constantly be wondering what color polish she had chosen ( at least I would)

 

[Herat]

Gorgeous dress.

Palmette motifs

Crown of Empress Eugénie


Crown of Empress Eugénie - Wikipedia



The stolen ring is a centuries-old French heirloom, and features a dazzling 40-carat diamond plucked from the crown of Napoleon III's wife (and Prince Jean-Christophe's ancestor), Empress Eugenie, pictured above.

Someone Stole a Historic 40-Carat Diamond Ring From the French Royal Family


Police recover ring set with a 40-carat diamond taken from the crown of France's last empress

Police recover ring set with a 40-carat diamond taken from the crown of France’s last empress

EXCELLENT SLEUTHING, ELLY MAE!

Yes the palmette is definitely the motif for the dress. (although she is not descended from Napoleon's first wife, Eugenie who had the crown with palmette's)

And that photo of her in 2014 definitely fits with her adventurous fashion choice for her wedding dress.

She seems like quite a character

 

[mickey2942]

Agreed. It is hard for many people to relate to Meghan's "Poor Me" mantra. And how "hard" her life is.

She and Harry can pretty much bow out at any time, and play a very minor role in royal life. They choose not to. Kate and William did live a fairly normal and quiet life when they were first married. That is why they are able to deal with the limelight now, with a firmly established relationship.

Meghan and Harry would be well served to follow their example.

 

[Betty P]

Meghan says she is 'existing not living' as she struggles with the pressures of royal life | Daily Mail Online


This is why people do not like them. Whining about everything. I feel like I am existing and not living. My life is not my own, having to work at a job that I tolerate at best and I am glad to have it, taking care of elderly parents. I don't complain to the world about it (except for now) . It is a responsibility that I have to do. I don't get luxury vacations and If I told my boss I was taking off for 6 weeks outside of an illness, I would be told to pack my stuff and not come back.

I know I said I was taking a vacation from this thread. I am not a hater, I am just tired of the endless disrespect of PH and MM. GROW-UP.

That article mentions PH saying they may move to live in Africa because of all the stress, etc.

Actually, the talk of moving to Africa started early this year.

So Prince Harry and Meghan Markle Might Be Moving to Africa for Three Years

A spokesperson for the royal family commented on the rumor of Harry and Meghan's international move, saying, "any future plans for The Duke and Duchess are speculative at this stage. No decisions have been taken about future roles." And while that doesn't sound like "Megs and Harry are movin' on out to Africa!" it also doesn't sound like they're totally denying it either.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle's New Royal Role Taking Them to Africa

Supposedly, its a 3 year assignment

Meghan Markle Prince Harry: Courtiers 'planning job in Africa' | Daily Mail Online

Maybe this is just a PR campaign to help with that transition? IDK. I don't understand the need for so much PR, so much social media, documentaries, planted news stories, etc. JMO

 

[mcluver23]

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[Herat]

I actually see them as moving to the US in the future.

They are going to LA to visit her mother for Thanksgiving. Which seems utterly normal.

But even though Harry feels like he's like to live in southern Africa (let's be more specific than Africa, which is a huge continent, most of which he's never visited), he's admitted it's really impractical for them to consider living there permanently.

I think Markle wants to live in the US. She relates to the US, and California, in particular, not to southern Africa.

Their moving from the UK to either of those places is, in itself, a potential for more stress for them. Especially if one of them does not get what they want.
But they need to work this out. And not engender any more controversy with the Royal Family. If anything, they probably need to mend relationships. I see Prince Charles being more involved with Prince William and even Prince George, but I see him almost shut out of Archie's future the way things are going.

 

[mcluver23]

A serious defense of Cinderella's "ugly" step-sisters

 

[Herat]

Kate and William did live a fairly normal and quiet life when they were first married. That is why they are able to deal with the limelight now, with a firmly established relationship.

Meghan and Harry would be well served to follow their example.

Yes, I remember very well the photos of Kate and William's small cozy home near the air base he was working at, and her in the store doing her grocery shopping. It appeared that she was doing the cooking and some housekeeping, and they would both occasionally pop down to the pub without causing any notice, as local people respected their privacy.

Either by design or good happenstance it seemed to give them a base to establish married life together.

Harry and bride went from a whirlwind courtship to a spendiferous wedding to a splendiferous home remodel to a splendiferous trip to the Oceanics and Australia, then a quick pregnancy and more tours to Morocco and now southern Africa.
Even though they are both older, they've not had much time outside of splendiferous things to establish their marriage together. Just making assumptions of how well they appear to fit together doesn't necessarily make it work.

What we've seen is that they both seem to have some unresolved personal issues that didn't get dealt with during the beginning of their marriage. In the past the expectation is that these problems get dealt with in privacy, but both of them have bridged across to involve the media, an unfortunate choice that appears to have only complicated what are expected problems in life.

 

[rosemadderlake]

I’m starting to feel sorry for Harry.

He’s a new husband and father now probably racked with consuming guilt over feeling that if Meghan is “existing not living” it’s all his fault.

To me, that comment is completely self absorbed.

When Harry talks about mental health anyone (myself included) who has experienced the traumatic, violent, loss of a loved one knows what he went through. And how learning to live on through the loss of someone is a continual work in progress, time is irrelevant because a loss like that lives within.

Princess Diana being so beloved around the world was a loss felt by millions. And on some level she was everyone’s loss. So when Harry speaks about his most guarded of feelings, I know it is coming from a real place.

I agree - I don’t see the need for all the PR which is doing them no favors. And, their combative stance with the press is fueling the fire. Do they really think people won’t say exactly how they feel on twitter, FB, DM comments?

Less has always been more with how the BRF comport themselves. It’s one of things I love most about them. It takes a measure of maturity and thought to contain personal feelings for the greater good. I’m amazed by QE, her history after WWII especially, the level of grace and guts she exhibited at such a young age is like a North Star.

She wears a simple wardrobe in beautiful colors that exhibits modesty. And when she gets out the tiaras for special events it really means something.

It’s not H&M’s fault that we are living in rather self-absorbed times. I wonder if the propensity for over sharing in public on SM is a fad, or here to stay? Because there’s a lot of noise to filter through.

Kate and Will are successful at navigating this world because they don’t overshare. And, I also think they are a very grounded couple. That’s something that just comes through. They don’t need to pack on the PDA. They are confident in themselves and each other.

I wish that for H&M. I agree with others, I think they need a break to center themselves.

 

[firebird]

Hmm. I guess I never really though about it, but I was a little surprised to realize that Meghan is not only older than Harry, but also older than Kate and William. At 38 I doubt they'll be waiting very long before having child number 2

 

[Herat]

Hmm. I guess I never really though about it, but I was a little surprised to realize that Meghan is not only older than Harry, but also older than Kate and William. At 38 I doubt they'll be waiting very long before having child number 2

I think child #2 would be a very bad idea until they have resolved their personal mental health issues.

Which makes me wonder just a bit if there is a baby #2 on the way and this might be exacerbating the unresolved problems. Might be a good idea for them to spend time with her mother, give her some extra support. Give them 6 weeks to deal with it before the traditional announcement at 12 weeks.

 

[firebird]

I think child #2 would be a very bad idea until they have resolved their personal mental health issues.

Which makes me wonder just a bit if there is a baby #2 on the way and this might be exacerbating the unresolved problems. Might be a good idea for them to spend time with her mother, give her some extra support. Give them 6 weeks to deal with it before the traditional announcement at 12 weeks.

At first I thought they bonded over their common involvement in popular culture, wokeness, the "good life" and such. Now it seems like they actually bonded over their personal demons. Two people invested in each others unhappiness probably doesn't end well.

 

[mickey2942]

At first I thought they bonded over their common involvement in popular culture, wokeness, the "good life" and such. Now it seems like they actually bonded over their personal demons. Two people invested in each others unhappiness probably doesn't end well.

Ain't that the truth! And probably "pressure" to settle down and get married. For both of them.

Meghan is extremely attractive. And seems like a nice person. Harry as well. They need to find a "niche". And definitely stop the "over sharing". I have no doubt that the queen is not pleased.