The British Royal Family - news, views, clothes & shoes! #10

[AllyBeeUK]

Princess Anne and Mark/Tim have managed to quietly get on with their lives, raise grounded kids and enjoyed life out of the public while still fulfilling some royal duties. Harry, in the same position as Anne, needs to do exactly the same. He has at least made a start in that direction by giving Archie a non-royal name, just like Anne did.

The perfect example of how it can be done.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

A quick list of current proper British Princes and Princesses:

Prince Edward (1935)
Princess Alexandra (1936)
Prince Michael (1942)
Prince Richard (1944)
Prince Charles (1948)
Princess Anne (1950)
Prince Andrew (1960)
Prince Edward (1964)
Prince William (1982)
Prince Harry (1984)
Princess Beatrice (1988)
Princess Eugenie (1990)
Prince George (2013)
Princess Charlotte (2015)
Prince Louis (2018)

The bolded ones are the children of the Queen or future Kings Charles and William. James and Louise (Edward's kids) and baby Archie could have used the title Prince/ss but choose not to.

 

[Springb16]

@AllyBeeUK I just wanted to say that I agree with your post 100%

 

[Lilibet]

I haven't watched the documentary, did she really that about the stiff upper lip? If so, that is insulting!

I really hope that isn’t a direct quote. It is insulting! The British are known and universally admired for their “stiff upper lip” and “keep calm and carry on” stoic attitude that carried them through WWII and beyond. That’s history. It’s not about how those attributes may affect us individually and stifle us emotionally, which is what I think Meghan may mean. Using those particular words is insulting to a well-known and admired national characteristic and shows a woeful ignorance of history.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

She said:

“I've said for a long time to H - that's what I call him - it’s not enough to just survive something, right?” she told Bradby. “That's not the point of life. You've got to thrive, you've got to feel happy. I've really tried to adopt this British sensibility of a stiff upper lip. I've tried, I've really tried. But I think that what that does internally is probably really damaging"

“The biggest thing that I know is that I never thought this would be easy. But I thought it would be fair. And that’s the part that’s really hard to reconcile.”

Of the future, she said: “I don’t know. You do just take each day as it comes.”

Well... slow hand clap to the grubby tabloids and all the haters.

 

[AllyBeeUK]

She said:

“I've said for a long time to H - that's what I call him - it’s not enough to just survive something, right?” she told Bradby. “That's not the point of life. You've got to thrive, you've got to feel happy. I've really tried to adopt this British sensibility of a stiff upper lip. I've tried, I've really tried. But I think that what that does internally is probably really damaging"

“The biggest thing that I know is that I never thought this would be easy. But I thought it would be fair. And that’s the part that’s really hard to reconcile.”

Of the future, she said: “I don’t know. You do just take each day as it comes.”

Well... slow hand clap to the grubby tabloids and all the haters.

I just don't know what to make of that. I do think it's insulting. It puts me in my mind of when my grandmother died and an in law said to my mum "you would think she was my mum, not yours. I've cried more than you." My mum is from the post-war generation and inherited the stiff upper lip. Not everybody likes to wear their heart on their sleeve. It doesn't mean we are deficient in any way and certainly not internally damaged.

 

[Gardenista]

She said:

“I've said for a long time to H - that's what I call him - it’s not enough to just survive something, right?” she told Bradby. “That's not the point of life. You've got to thrive, you've got to feel happy. I've really tried to adopt this British sensibility of a stiff upper lip. I've tried, I've really tried. But I think that what that does internally is probably really damaging"

“The biggest thing that I know is that I never thought this would be easy. But I thought it would be fair. And that’s the part that’s really hard to reconcile.”

Of the future, she said: “I don’t know. You do just take each day as it comes.”

Well... slow hand clap to the grubby tabloids and all the haters.

Oh. My.

Now I know why they are going into hiding.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

I just don't know what to make of that. I do think it's insulting.

Watch the video, I think it sounds less bad in context.

Meghan admits she was 'naive' about British tabloids and reveals she was warned 'they will destroy your life'

EDIT I can't embed the video, can anyone else do it please?

 

[Gardenista]

I can't watch video ATM and this article seems to have more text of the interview

Duchess of Sussex: I'm struggling to 'thrive and feel happy' in the royal family

 

[AllyBeeUK]

Watch the video, I think it sounds less bad in context.

Meghan admits she was 'naive' about British tabloids and reveals she was warned 'they will destroy your life'

EDIT I can't embed the video, can anyone else do it please?

Hmm, yes. Perhaps it may be damaging to her personally because that's not how she does things but everybody is different.

If they are this unhappy then they really need to take a step back. I don't think I even feel comfortable watching this, it feels like voyeurism. I do have sympathy with her, and Archie especially. I really don't think the Royal life is for them. They would be much happier as private citizens doing the work that is important to them.

 

[Lilibet]

DBM

 

[Lilibet]

Watch the video, I think it sounds less bad in context.

Meghan admits she was 'naive' about British tabloids and reveals she was warned 'they will destroy your life'

EDIT I can't embed the video, can anyone else do it please?

I was able to watch the video within the article. The “stiff upper lip” comment does sound less insulting and more humorous, but I still wish she hadn’t said it. The value of having a “stiff upper lip” isn’t about “stuffing” your feelings and just surviving IMO, but about not letting yourself be destroyed by anything. Instead it’s about rising above your circumstances and finding happiness anyway. Meghan gave a little glimmer of this in her gratitude for Harry and Archie. I’m truly sorry that they can’t just ignore the “unfairness” of the tabloids and “carry on” with their heads held high. I think it would die down eventually if they don’t give it any oxygen. But they may be too emotionally fragile to do this.

The only reason I can imagine that they allowed this documentary with such personal revelations is that it’s to prepare the public for their exit. Otherwise it just adds fuel to the fire and provokes further criticism and feeling mistreated.

I wish them eventual peace and happiness, wherever they end up.

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Going down royal rabbit holes all over the world tonight. Here is a list of Prince Charles' first cousins. Note - only two from his mum's side, the rest are from Philip's siblings. Crazy!!

1. Lady Sarah Chatto
2. David Armstrong-Jones, 2nd Earl of Snowdon
3. Princess Johanna of Hesse and by Rhine
4. Prince Georg of Hanover
5. Princess Margarita of Baden
6. Princess Christina Margarethe of Hesse
7. Prince Ludwig of Hesse and by Rhine
8. Prince Welf Ernst of Hanover
9. Maximilian, Margrave of Baden
10. Princess Friederike of Hanover
11. Kraft, Prince of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
12. Prince Alexander of Hesse and by Rhine
13. Rupprecht of Hohenlohe-Langenburg
14. Albrecht Wolfgang Christoph of Hohen-Langenburg
15. Prince Rainer of Hesse
16. Princess Dorothea of Hesse
17. Princess Beatrix Alice Marie Melita of Hohen-Langenburg
18. Princess Clarissa of Hesse
19. Georg Andreas Heinrich of Hohen-Langenburg
20. Ludwig von Baden
21. Prince Karl of Hesse

 

[rosemadderlake]

She said:

“I've said for a long time to H - that's what I call him - it’s not enough to just survive something, right?” she told Bradby. “That's not the point of life. You've got to thrive, you've got to feel happy. I've really tried to adopt this British sensibility of a stiff upper lip. I've tried, I've really tried. But I think that what that does internally is probably really damaging"

“The biggest thing that I know is that I never thought this would be easy. But I thought it would be fair. And that’s the part that’s really hard to reconcile.”

Of the future, she said: “I don’t know. You do just take each day as it comes.”

Well... slow hand clap to the grubby tabloids and all the haters.

Oh dear....

Meghan is going to get trashed for insulting her adopted country after the documentary airs.

This shows an ignorance, and lack of depth of knowledge of history. I mean QE served in WWII. And she has survived a lot.

Part of what is revealing here is the cultural difference between a city like L.A. and London. Not that there isn’t superficiality everywhere, but in L.A. it makes big bucks. I find it an overwhelmingly ego driven, narcissistic culture. ...with amazing roller skaters on the boardwalks!

Stiff upper lip equals strength. —Not falling apart, courage, containment of emotions. All of these are admirable qualities.

Not everyone with stiff upper lip is repressed, or stifled which is what is being intimated by Meghan. If Harry is expressing his feelings to the world for the first time I think he might have felt stifled. Not because of a cultural or emotional aspect of a whole country, but because he’s a royal who is stifled?

Anyway, I imagine this can’t be going over well with the royal fam...

 

[Gardenista]

Could MM's influence be the reason PH is falling apart?

 

[CoverMeCagney]

Oh dear....

Meghan is going to get trashed for insulting her adopted country .

I hope not. I’m furious about what the tabloids have done, it’s just embarrassing. What makes it worse is that the Africa trip was getting really positive press and just days later it’s all unravelling again.

 

[Alethea]

Hmm, yes. Perhaps it may be damaging to her personally because that's not how she does things but everybody is different.

If they are this unhappy then they really need to take a step back. I don't think I even feel comfortable watching this, it feels like voyeurism. I do have sympathy with her, and Archie especially. I really don't think the Royal life is for them. They would be much happier as private citizens doing the work that is important to them.

I think her main issue is she can’t do now what she did before. Even if they gave up being “working” royals, could she really go on to star in another TV show while married to Harry? It’s not like she was a doctor or an accountant where she could quietly work in London in her personal capacity.

Princess Anne and Zara had their equestrian interests, Eugenie and Beatrice have their art/society fake jobs. If MM is not happy being a mom, wife, and philanthropist, she has to find something acceptable within the BRF to do. All of this was obvious and it seems shocking that she didn’t realize she couldn’t just get married, have a baby, and then launch a new social media based fashion brand or whatever. The choice seems clear and fair and every other Royal seems to understand the trade off.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Could MM's influence be the reason PH is falling apart?

Harry made a revealing comment way back about how Meghan was going to get a real family, something like that. Not a smart move before getting married.

If Meghan drills down a little deeper she may be wishing her American family on her father’s side had been more fair.

Press just reports on what’s already out there.

And there are stoic examples like Princess Anne who lives her life her way, dresses in her own style, and pays no never mind to the tabloids calling her outfit the homeless look!

Meghan and subsequently Harry (Prince Charming to the rescue) are both giving power to the tabloids.

Harry is very unresolved about this because of his feelings over his mother.

He should write a book. They should take a break and enjoy a sunny spot, clear their minds.

 

[Simply Southern]

Watch the video, I think it sounds less bad in context.

Meghan admits she was 'naive' about British tabloids and reveals she was warned 'they will destroy your life'

EDIT I can't embed the video, can anyone else do it please?

I don't buy this for one minute.

It will be interesting to see where the road leads.

moo

 

[Lilibet]

Could MM's influence be the reason PH is falling apart?

That’s an interesting question. Without being inside their marriage, I will just speculate that she may have encouraged him to feel his authentic feelings and be more open (a very stereotypical Southern California attribute.) I think she is probably an empathetic and soft place to land at a time in his life when he was ready to address his mother’s death. So his feelings are closer to the surface and “falling apart” may be from the added weight of responsibility he feels for Meghan and Archie’s safety and happiness in the face of bad press (some fair, some not). Would this be happening had he married someone else? Who knows?

I know that when I addressed certain things in my own past I wasn’t at my best emotionally and felt like I was falling apart. But I didn’t have to go through it in the public eye. I wouldn’t have handled it well at all!

They really need to take a break pronto. I think they will get through this OK.