The British Royal Family - news, views, clothes & shoes! #10

[maggieg]

I assumed when I read about the 6 week break it was starting now until Christmas but apparently its 6 weeks over Christmas so they'll be doing events as normal til then, Meghans doing one tonight apparently on her own Meghan Markle makes her first public appearance since ITV interview | Daily Mail Online

Did anyone else see the snapshot of UK front pages this morning, Harry is the lead story on a lot of them or is at least featured on the front page even the broadsheets like The Times and the Telegraph have a story about his fragility on the front page

 

[maggieg]

Todays front pages

 

[Herat]

I am all for ppl to be current with today's world but the royal family have a very deep history and quite frankly, I get mad when MM came in and wants to change all of it.

Is this the message from one of their several private PR companies?

This couldn’t possibly have come from TRF Kensington Palace.

What a galling arrogant statement.

I think it needs to be explained whose comment this was : An official agency vs some media blather

 

[gregjrichards]

I dintd think they will break up yet. But l do think they might not come back if they go to the US. At least not in 6 weeks, anyway.

I don’t know if life is going to be that great in the United States for them surely TMZ, the National Enquirer and Daily Mail online U.S paparazzi etc are going to be following their every move.

Just had to comment on this!

Well there’s no way they just accidentally spontaneously divulged all that personal information about how miserable they are and how it’s everyone else’s fault. That was calculated and I just wonder what the goal is. What are they setting up? I think it’s probably one of two things. Either they are laying grounds for divorce OR they’re going to exit royal life together. I do believe their unhappiness is real, but I don’t believe for a second that they just suddenly felt moved to share their deepest thoughts on a documentary about something else.

I’m inclined to think MM has convinced PH to leave his royal life and move to the US, but I don’t think he’ll be happy with that in the future. Who knows.

I wish them the best and hate to see people so unhappy, but their boo hooing about their sad, royal lives is really really annoying and I think whatever they’re trying to accomplish is backfiring. MOO!

I think it is backfiring big time. I think the Royal family will start being resentful of the Duchess of Sussex’s influence on her husband if they aren’t already.

I would think if they wanted privacy, peace and quiet - they could go to Balmoral or even Windsor Castle?

They wanted to move into Windsor Castle and Her Majesty turned them down. Her Majesty gave them Frogmore Cottage to live in and another family home as a country retreat as a wedding present.

Source 'close to' Prince Harry and Meghan Markle claims couple 'have single-handedly modernised the monarchy' and says palace is 'inexperienced' at how best to 'deploy and harness their value'

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle claim they are | Daily Mail Online

I think they have done more damage than good they really need someone to take them under their wing and show them the right way to do things. Things have gone steadily downhill since the royal wedding and they should not have. The recent royal visit to South Africa was overshadowed by the legal action which could have waited a few more days till they got home.

As I have said previously I wish them both every happiness and really hope the couple don’t end up divorced for Archie’s sake.

 

[Kensie]

If you don't want bad publicity, don't give the media any reason. Be professional, don't whine.

No reason to air your dirty laundry to the world and tell the world how hard your life is. No one really cares. You can do great things if you just leave the 'poor pitiful' acts out of it. I did not watch the documentary but if they really spilled how miserable life is on a documentary pertaining to South Africa, they set themselves up for media abuse.

I am sick of them But I still read about them. LOL
One more thing, why would you talk about how miserable you are when you have money and security and are in a poverty, high crime area? These folks living in poverty and a high crime area don't have money to spend on security.
What is wrong with Frogmore Cottage. It looks secluded.

 

[oviedo]

Is this the message from one of their several private PR companies?

This couldn’t possibly have come from TRF Kensington Palace.

What a galling arrogant statement.

I think it needs to be explained whose comment this was : An official agency vs some media blather

I read the DM article - wow. if even a bit true - this is not good for them IMO. and now I am wondering if MM planted the question for the reporter to ask her how she was doing - in light of what has come out now. JMO

 

[human]

I also had a sense of possible post-partum depression. I don't think that's something that only affects women earning less than £50k a year.

I'm also disgusted how there's even a big name politician saying that Harry used to be 'fun' ... back when he was doing drugs and going to fancy dress parties dressed inappropriately, yes...

But now Harry has settled down, married a woman he seems to love very much, become a father, now Harry is 'boring'. I would have thought you'd give the guy creds for going through a problem period, going into the military, then settling down to be a husband and a father. It seems like a positive transition to me.

But it's not really about that, is it? It's about how the media are once again treating royals as celebrity superstars, with intrusion and fake news. It's dislike from certain sectors that Harry and Meghan seem to want to speak up for the environment -- and look at the hate Harry's dad has had for years for speaking up for the environment. Harry and Meghan are talking about mental health, and omg we don't want these mannequins talking about things like that! Why can't Meghan just be a clothes horse like Diana was before the divorce stuff went public?

It was said that Harry and Meghan were demanding their child be a Prince, and then they refused any title for their child. Harry's recent words explain that perfectly, he's not really happy with what he was born into, he saw his mother attacked, dying while being chased by paparazzi and the huge change and hole that left in his life and his soul. So all that stuff about the demanding prince and his wife demanding a title for their child who was going to suck on the public you know what...it was a fake news thing, but does anyone go back and apologise? Do the public think back and say "ohh, maybe the celebrity reporter writing click bait stories was wrong?" No, mud sticks, especially for people who want to believe in that mud and revel at throwing it.

exactly. People were furious they couldn’t see Archie. Then they complain because they are in the media.

When William and Kate were grounded in Pakistan, I believe the article stated that they needed rooms for 100 people traveling with them. Was it reporters? Was it William that filed a suit about reporters hounding George.

How about the show where Diana talked about having three in her marriage was crowded? Oversharing?

I loved that comment and the humanity she portrayed.

People in England are taking huge amounts of antidepressants. The stats are there. I imagine there is plenty of self medication as well.

I find it perplexing that Harry and Meghan are attacked for being real.

Remember, money does not buy happiness. Neither does poverty or other things.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Yes!! especially in like of their mental health initiative. maybe that's their angle though?

If that’s their angle I don’t think it is well thought out.

Mental health is very serious. Airing grievances, wounds, complaints, issues, is part of a therapeutic process.

Doing it in public like this I think has advanced a certain drama, and it has nothing to do with mental health.

I do not think either H or M are particularly intelligent or savvy. Their choices. I think they are living a some kind of Out of Africa story. That’s the other thing I’m having a problem with is the scripted feel of the documentary. It’s about their story more than it is a correspondents look at several countries through observation...

And unfortunately for them the drama wins the day. They brought on every headline in the papers themselves...

Kate and William moved effortlessly through Pakistan. Each place they visited told the story.

These big countries that most of us will not visit - one can learn a lot through the trips that the BRF highlights when they visit them. It’s a wonderful thing, really.

 

[Oregonmama]

But why was it necessary to get THEIR feelings out?

What happened to all the positive encouraging things they said to all those people in South Africa, Angola, Botswanna, and Malawi who prepared so hard?

Why did both Harry and Markle decide to put THEIR prrsonal issues out there, not randomly, but in what is emerging as a calculated act.

I know they had to file the lawsuit more rapidly than they had planned, as there was an Oct 1 deadline, and Harry was clearly upset over that. But they both could have kept their mouth’s shut and not shut down the effort of everyone who worked so hard on the trip.

I have to believe The Royal Family must be furious about this classless, self-centered act.

Maybe they (H and M) feel like they are being controlled on what they can and can not say from the ppl that run the show behind the scenes. This was their opportunity to speak out which I am sure it is rare to do that

 

[Herat]

Sounds like they’ve give up on the Out-of-Africa residency for 3 years gig that was being promoted earlier.

I’m quite sure Harry could thrive at it

 

[human]

So what though? So what if his minefield walk was set up? So what if ANY of it was set up? He's still there, he still did it. He's trying to raise awareness and funds for these projects, that's what the whole tour is about. Why WOULDN"T he?

Can we please STOP with all the nasty Harry and Meghan bashing?! Aside from it being divisive, tedious and at times offensive, it's actually showing some of you in a really bad light.

yes

 

[Oregonmama]

Guess who's turned their frown upside down? That's right, Chelsy Davy. She must be so relieved to have dodged the bullet of being hounded and hated by the press? Who knows?
With Davy, Prince Harry might have been able to live a quiet life with his African born wife, but she lucked out and didn't get the ring.

(Old Article)
Prince Harry, ex Chelsy Davy’s phone call before royal wedding

It has been said that MM didnt trust H around Chelsy. I didn't think she would be jealous of Chelsy but those 2 share a lot history and memories. I also don't like the hint that MM cur off some of H's friends. Shouldn't that be his decision?

 

[gregjrichards]

If you don't want bad publicity, don't give the media any reason. Be professional, don't whine.

No reason to air your dirty laundry to the world and tell the world how hard your life is. No one really cares. You can do great things if you just leave the 'poor pitiful' acts out of it. I did not watch the documentary but if they really spilled how miserable life is on a documentary pertaining to South Africa, they set themselves up for media abuse.

I am sick of them.

What is wrong with Frogmore Cottage. It looks secluded.

The Frogmore Estate is open to the public but they aren’t allowed anywhere near the cottage. Their other home which the Queen gave them as a wedding present offers totally privacy away from the public. I don’t think it is physical privacy they are really after I think they feel hounded by the press 24/7 with the stories they print which are critical of them. A commentator on Sky News suggested that they can’t take the criticism and said if the stories about them were unanimously positive they would not feel the way they do.

I don’t know why the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge seem to be living so successfully having a public life as well as a private life. Why are things so different for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and they can’t seem handle things? I really hope the Duke of Sussex is going to see a mental health professional over the death of his Mother and his hatred of the press

Maybe they need some time living in the middle of nowhere in Africa away from the press and everyone.

 

[gregjrichards]

'I told Meghan she didn't know what she was letting herself in for': Friend who warned Duchess of Sussex over marrying Harry says ex-Suits star 'didn't want to hear any negativity'

'Naive' Meghan Markle's friend warned her over marrying Prince Harry | Daily Mail Online

 

[human]

UGH re Oprah's house. Thanksgiving is family time, not jet setting to mansions of washed up celebrities. If they go to a big mansion then their issues get worse.

is Thanksgiving a British tradition?

 

[Herat]

Maybe they need some time living in the middle of nowhere in Africa away from the press and everyone.

One of them would thrive in that environment

The other wont last a fortnight

MOO, MOO

 

[gregjrichards]

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will have to 'renounce their royal privileges ' ahead of any planned move to South Africa, a royal expert has suggested.

The Duke, 35, and Duchess of Sussex, 38, voiced their desires to live in the country on ITV's Harry & Meghan: An African Journey, which aired on Sunday and charted the pair's ten-day tour in South Africa.

However royal correspondent Victoria Arbiter told the New Zealand talk show Breakfast that there are a number of reasons a move to South Africa cannot occur while the couple remain members of the royal family.

Prince Harry and Meghan Markle will have to 'renounce royal privileges' for South Africa move | Daily Mail Online

I personally can’t see the Duke of Sussex giving up his royal title even if he did it does not mean the press would stop covering him.

is Thanksgiving a British tradition?

Nope although the U.K has copied everything else from the States including the Black Friday sales.

 

[KarenUK]

So what though? So what if his minefield walk was set up? So what if ANY of it was set up? He's still there, he still did it. He's trying to raise awareness and funds for these projects, that's what the whole tour is about. Why WOULDN"T he?

Can we please STOP with all the nasty Harry and Meghan bashing?! Aside from it being divisive, tedious and at times offensive, it's actually showing some of you in a really bad light.

I'm ducking out of this thread, and probably WS on the whole, because of this. Some people so clearly have an agenda, I thought this was supposed to be a fun thread about clothes and fancy do's in a forum of crime and depressing news. This thread is now the depressing news!

 

[maggieg]

I don’t know why the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge seem to be living so successfully having a public life as well as a private life. Why are things so different for the Duke and Duchess of Sussex and they can’t seem handle things? I really hope the Duke of Sussex is going to see a mental health professional over the death of his Mother and his hatred of the press

This is all conjecture but its to do with a level of detachment from public opinion, I think the Cambridges don't read what is written about them, don't do social media and have friends who are incredibly discreet both to them and about them.

I can imagine Jessica Mulroney saying "Meghan did you see what they're saying about you today?" but I can't see Pippa saying the same. If I was in the public eye as much as they were I don't think I could stop myself reading the papers and social media to see what people were saying and I would be massively upset if it wasn't positive.

I think if you get bogged down into whether life is fair or media coverage is fair or whatever you're bound to be upset and thats bound to transfer into home life. I remember a cousin of mine was involved in a legal case (civil not criminal) that was reported in the papers, I had been at court to support her so I knew all the fact of the case and what was said in court. It was reported in 2 papers and I felt so annoyed, nothing they reported was incorrect but I felt like the tone and the spin was all wrong, her name wasn't published so the reporting of it didn't effect her reputation and no one outside the court knew it was about her but I still felt aggrieved on her behalf, I can't imagine it on the scale that the RF deals with it.

Its probably impossible for them to avoid all coverage about them but I think they just need to develop a tough skin about it (I realise thats the opposite of what they want to do). I remember reading a story about JK Rowling who said during the height of Harry Potter mania she stopped reading the papers because there were so many stories about her but that she made an exception during Wimbledon to read the sports pages because shes a big fan and lo and behold the article she read referenced one of the Williams hitting a tennis ball like a bludger.

I think at the level of fame they're at you can't get away from it fully but you can do your best to minimise your exposure and let coverage that you don't feel is accurate or fair just wash over you.

 

[human]

I think Harry has become serious.

As was said by another poster, he is trying to figure out what his role will be. White savior in colonies is not it.

There is no American that speaks for America nor is there a Brit who speaks for England.

Harry and Meghan will have to figure out what they are going to do. In life, we all get surprised. There is never a plan that works long term ,is there?

Neither could have foretold the future. But they can figure on what they will do and how they will handle things.

I think their dreams were shattered. Time to regroup. Figure out the pieces and make a new plan