The case for murder

[justice be served]

Other thoughts...

If party was in the works for Tuesday and canceled on Monday, who canceled it? And who was invited in the first place? Why no calls on Rebecca Zahau's phone related to the party?

If Jonah Shacknai made irrevocable trust for his children on June 10, does not Dina Shacknai stand to inherit half of Max's trustfund? If not, where does his estate go?

BBM
Great thought. Just one more thing that doesn't add up!

 

[cynic]

From the AR, page 12:

On the right upper forehead, just past the hairline, there is a 1/4 inch red abrasion.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&...TItOWM1Mi00NGE4LWEyZDgtMjc3OWUxZTYzYmY5&hl=en

Perhaps the 1/4 inch red abrasion on RZ's forehead was more than an abrasion. IDK

If someone truly observed a "raised prominence" on her upper right forehead @ her funeral viewing, I'm wondering why the "raised prominence" wasn't noted in the AR, as a "raised prominence" (aka "bump on the head") is not something that develops postmortem (as far as I'm aware). I think a bump on the head would be something that would have developed antemortem, or at the very least, in the minutes immediately prior to death.

I agree with all of that, Sorrell.
And that particular abrasion would be the smallest/shortest of the 4 abrasions on the forehead.

Either the ME is understating what was happening on the forehead, or someone is overstating is happening on the forehead.

 

[sdcali]

Shiva begins from the day the deceased dies, which counts as day one. It lasts for seven days, hence the word "shiva". It is wrong of you to infer JS hired a PR firm during shiva unless you have proof.

Can you provide us with a date?

 

[SunnieRN]

Don't get me wrong, I have read the autopsy report several times. I just think that my mind refuses to accept everything in regards to Rebecca's injuries, because it makes me physically ill to imagine what she went through that night.

Especially important, if this was someone she knew, someone she may have trusted, to know that they were going to kill you, to have your last moments be filled with that kind of terror and betrayal. Pure horror that no one should have to experience.

Justice for Rebecca. All of you here are amazing and bring so much to the table!! I hope together we can get this case reopened.

 

[branwynbreeze]

I often wondered if she was lured in some way. Might the text from NR have been it? NR didn't go over, perhaps someone else did with not the best intentions.

Whomever it was may have listened to voice mail while also clearing NR text message. Could the way LE found out about NR text message was by reviewing phone records and not phone?

 

[MyBelle]

It is really interesting to look at the Sitrick and Co website and what they are known for...and the date hired by JS. Interesting to me that he would feel it necessary to hire them while grieving his son and possibly during normal sitting Shiva time for his son.

http://www.bnet.com/blog/drug-busin...cis-may-contemplate-life-without-its-ceo/9201



http://sitrick.com/practice

Makes perfect sense to me. Wise move that I applaud. All the innuendo and baseless accusations being hurled at JS and his family across various media could have an adverse influence on the stock price and would be investigated for possible stock price manipulation. A PR firm monitors all media so the company can alert the SEC about concerns. Nothing unusual at all about hiring a PR firm but it is interesting how much it has been brought up in order to imply the man doesn't have his priorities straight or isn't a grieving father.

JMO

 

[Peaceful]

It is known that RZ did the following on Tuesday prior to her death:

She met with the dog kennel guy.
She picked up NR from the airport.
She took her sister XZ to the airport.
She picked up AS from the airport.
She had dinner with AS & JS.
She spoke with her sister.
She spoke to urgent care, CXLD XZ's follow up appt.
She spoke to AS & JS briefly.
She texted with her sister in Missouri.

I wonder if her sister (XZ) was with her when she picked up NR from the airport and if so, what was that interaction like. I can't understand why RZ was asked to pick her up. Can't these folks afford a car to pick them up? Any take on this?

I am trying to imagine a situation where you have to pick up the twin sister of the ex-wife (who clearly disliked you) of your BF, whose only shared child lay basically brain dead in icu. I can't imagine that being anything other than terribly strange and uncomfortable, for all parties. So wierd. IMO

BUT IF RZ's little sister was still around when she picked up NR, and XZ was in the car with them, that would give some explanation as to why NR would not have had the opportunity to speak with RZ about the accident earlier in the day, during the car ride.

If we further consider that reports said (and I wish I had the time to find them, hopefully you guys remember) that RZ dropped off her sister and picked up AS, we know after picking up AS she went to dinner, meaning to me he flew in in the afternoon/evening. Possibly further meaning that NR had to wait until later in the evening for the opportunity to speak to RZ about the accident because XZ was with RZ until later in the day.

Has anyone figured out if DS & NR look anything alike nowadays? That would be interesting to know.

I don't know what if any value this adds but this seems to add up to some sort of sense. IMO.

Go websleuths! Truly an amazing group of minds and dear hearts!

MS & RZ deserve better than this. They deserve for this story to get some peace. Whatever that may be.

 

[SunnieRN]

Here is a new article, that I found interesting:

http://www.10news.com/news/29237354/detail.html

*snip*

"It doesn't add up from day one," said Kathleen McKenna, who is writing a book on the case.
She told 10News she does not believe Rebecca Zahau committed suicide either.
"This case is so goofy," said McKenna. "There are so many things that don't add up."
McKenna said she had questions about blood, abrasions and more.
"How did the balcony doors get closed? How did the music get turned off? How did her clothes get down in the guest house?" asked McKenna.

Didn't the PC state that the clothing on the floor was NOT Rebecca's?

 

[deanna82437]

Here is a new article, that I found interesting:

http://www.10news.com/news/29237354/detail.html

*snip*

"It doesn't add up from day one," said Kathleen McKenna, who is writing a book on the case.
She told 10News she does not believe Rebecca Zahau committed suicide either.
"This case is so goofy," said McKenna. "There are so many things that don't add up."
McKenna said she had questions about blood, abrasions and more.
"How did the balcony doors get closed? How did the music get turned off? How did her clothes get down in the guest house?" asked McKenna.

Didn't the PC state that the clothing on the floor was NOT Rebecca's?

I caught that as well and yes, they did state the clothes were not Rebecca's, but did not say who they belonged to. Sorry, no link, but it was a recent media online report. Great article, though.

 

[jjenny]

I caught that as well and yes, they did state the clothes were not Rebecca's, but did not say who they belonged to. Sorry, no link, but it was a recent media online report. Great article, though.

It was not during the press conference. It was after the autopsy report came out and people started asking questions about female clothing found on the floor in the guest house. Police then stated they determined the clothing did not belong to RN but to some female guest that stayed in the house earlier.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Great information CalElliot. When I first read it last night, I thought of the checklist of important info to cover for some inside parties:

1 - Show that Rebecca and Jonah were happy: Check.
Defray any thoughts that would make their relationship look sketchy.

2 - Show that the other children weren't there at the accident: Check.
Have a published source making this appear to be fact.

3 - Show that Rebecca tried to save Max: Check.
Remove any thoughts that the S family held Rebecca responsible for Max.

4 - Show that Max was by himself when the accident occurred: Check.
Reinforce that other children were not there and publicly take away blame from Rebecca so there would be no motive for Rebecca's murder.

5 - Show that Adam's presence was normal at the house: Check.
Adam always bunked in the guest house so nothing hinky there.

6 - Show that Rebecca came into Jonah's life after Dina: Check.
Paint a picture of no filandering.

7 - Show that the article presents both sides so it doesn't look like a Sitrick plant: Check.
Gives both sides to the story including a beautiful portrait of Rebecca.

Call me a :sick:cynic but that is how I read the article. Its transparency for me struck me immediately that there had to be a connection to the PR firm.

Wow! very good observations!

 

[CalElliot]

Snipped

Let's hope Nightline can shed some new light tonite (earlier ABC said door sign was "spraypainted." Sheesh).

Guess I misheard during GMA that there would be more on Zahau story on Nightline. Sorry about that.

 

[jjenny]

I find the idea that there is always plenty of DNA and fingerprint evidence in the murder case, simply absurd. There are cases that no one disputes to be murder without DNA or fingerprint evidence. And in this particular case, we are not even sure that she was tested for DNA under her fingernails. How did they find no fingerprints other than hers in that whole room? Nobody has ever been there except her? The rope appears to be very new from the photos. Who bought it, where was it bought? Who played the loud music that was reported? We are supposed to believe that RN was so concerned AS might wake up she put a shirt in her mouth as a gag? But reported loud music-that was not a concern?

 

[starbright]

Jonah Shacknai Requests Investigations To Be Reopened Into Rebecca Zahau And Max's Deaths

'In a letter sent by Shacknai to the attorney general on Monday, the billionaire wrote that further investigation would be beneficial in, "bringing some clarity, dignity, and ultimately closure to the devastating deaths.'

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...rebecca-zahau-suicide-reopened-max-death-case

http://abcnews.go.com/US/mansion-de...etter-investigation-rebecca/story?id=14562097

 

[Brit]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/09/rebecca-zahau-suicide-footprints-found-balcony-reveals-forensic-expert


Another set of prints found on balcony?

 

[stilettos]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2011/09/rebecca-zahau-suicide-footprints-found-balcony-reveals-forensic-expert


Another set of prints found on balcony?

WOW. I cannot wait to hear the spin on this.

 

[October]

Oh boy. From this article:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15505829/some-shacknai-search-warrants-to-be-unsealed

""On July 13, 2011… detectives… facilitated a polygraph examination of Adam Shacknai with Polygrapher Paul Redden. Redden said based on the analysis of the polygraph charts he couldn't draw a conclusion, but felt Adam was being truthful during the examination."

That is not the same a passing a polygraph!! The Polygrapher "felt" that he was being truthful but could not back it up? Just great. AS could very well be innocent, but this tells me that he should not have been cleared without further investigation. It also calls into question all of the theories that state that AS could not have been involved.

This "investigation" manages to disgust me more and more every day.

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

I believe that if I saw a body hanging, my gut reaction would be to call 911 first,,,,,,and then rush to cut the person down or aid them somehow.

You could be talking to 911 as you are running in the direction of the person.

This would get rescue teams to the scene as quickly as possible.

I don't want this to turn into a "everybody reacts differently." (I don't really buy that, anyway.)

In these days of cell phones, I think that a person's first reaction to any emergency is to call 911.

 

[sorrell skye]

I believe that if I saw a body hanging, my gut reaction would be to call 911 first,,,,,,and then rush to cut the person down or aid them somehow.

You could be talking to 911 as you are running in the direction of the person.

This would get rescue teams to the scene as quickly as possible.

I don't want this to turn into a "everybody reacts differently." (I don't really buy that, anyway.)

In these days of cell phones, I think that a person's first reaction to any emergency is to call 911.

I have to say that my first reaction if I were to find someone hanging would be to cut them down (in the hope they may still be alive) and to then call 911.

Same as if I were to find someone bleeding to death - my first reaction would be to attempt to stanch the bleeding & then call 911.

 

[stilettos]

I have to say that my first reaction if I were to find someone hanging would be to cut them down (in the hope they may still be alive) and to then call 911.

Same as if I were to find someone bleeding to death - my first reaction would be to attempt to stanch the bleeding & then call 911.

Yep...you give the person a fighting chance and render aid. I would call 911 right after I got the person down and started CPR...I would not start CPR on a person in rigor. I would be crying into the phone that it was too late. JMO