The case for murder

[freespeech]

Do you have any proof that they have been "scrubbing" articles? I have not seen any signs of that, so am thinking that is just another one of the many rumors around Jonah Shacknai, his family, and the Romanos.

JMO

Actually I posted a very good example of it weeks ago regarding the reports that the other kids where at home when Max had his accident and that they may have been planking. The information was released to the media by Bremner.

I do not feel like spending time to look for it now to prove to you. I am more interested in other aspects of the conversation happening now.

However, it is posted and you can do a search. Maybe if you use planking, scrubbed, Bremner. I don't know. You probably know more than I but I'm just not in the mood to discuss, research or spend my time on that right now.

Please forgive me in advance. If I feel like it I'll look for it later and post. Tia. I hope you understand. No offence intended.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Mrs Holmes, thank you so much for posting those. IMO, they all show that all the things being said about Shacknai and his PR company "scrubbing" articles and comments are untrue.

From the article CEO Shacknai Wields Small Army Against Speculation on Death of His Girlfriend:

"The Shacknai family has reportedly hired two lawyers, a PR firm and a private detective since the death, which has officially been declared a suicide.

Shacknai hired a PR firm, Sitrick & Co., less than a week after Rebecca Zahau Nalepa's death. Executives at that agency have had a series of off-the-record conversations with reporters whom the agency believes have made mistakes in their coverage.

It is not clear what influence the lawyers, the PR firm and the private detective have had on the case. Police found no evidence of foul play and no evidence that a third party may have been present when Rebecca died."

I see no problem with Mr. Shacknai hiring a PR firm to deal with the onslaught of media. Since there was no proof whatsoever of planking, the two newspapers cited may have changed the story on their on accord after speaking with the PR firm. There was still no proof in this article that the PR firm forced or paid the newspapers to remove the word "planking". That was the only allegation of things being "scrubbed" in this article.

And from the Jonah Shacknai Hires PR Firm as Police Probe Death of Rebecca Nalepa article (which is not from the LATimes but the hollywoodgossip):

"An executive at Shacknai's company, Sitrick, said the pharmaceutical CEO hired them to help him as he grieves and takes care of two funerals."

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2...lice-probe-death-of-rebecca-na/#ixzz298pCOiC2

 

[freespeech]

Jonah didn't give permission to Bremner to go into the mansion. He gave permission to SDSO to consider giving permission, provided the "new" owners of the mansion agreed. The time frame was very limited in order to give SDSO cover to delay and obfuscate any request.

So, yeah, you could say it wasn't really permission at all.

On edit: I still find it very, very interesting that Dina's team was allowed unimpeded access to the mansion for their investigation, but the same conditions were not allowed for Bremner's team. It makes me wonder whether JS and DS are really working at cross purposes here.

Absolutely agreed.

On this issue Jonah would benefit if attention can be deflected from what happened to Rebecca. He apparently wants to remain a presence in Coronado and appears to have a politically powerful base of support in Gore and Dumanis, imo.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Mrs Holmes, thank you so much for posting those. IMO, they all show that all the things being said about Shacknai and his PR company "scrubbing" articles and comments are untrue.

From the article CEO Shacknai Wields Small Army Against Speculation on Death of His Girlfriend:

"The Shacknai family has reportedly hired two lawyers, a PR firm and a private detective since the death, which has officially been declared a suicide.

Shacknai hired a PR firm, Sitrick & Co., less than a week after Rebecca Zahau Nalepa's death. Executives at that agency have had a series of off-the-record conversations with reporters whom the agency believes have made mistakes in their coverage.

It is not clear what influence the lawyers, the PR firm and the private detective have had on the case. Police found no evidence of foul play and no evidence that a third party may have been present when Rebecca died."

I see no problem with Mr. Shacknai hiring a PR firm to deal with the onslaught of media. Since there was no proof whatsoever of planking, the two newspapers cited may have changed the story on their on accord after speaking with the PR firm. There was still no proof in this article that the PR firm forced or paid the newspapers to remove the word "planking". That was the only allegation of things being "scrubbed" in this article.

And from the Jonah Shacknai Hires PR Firm as Police Probe Death of Rebecca Nalepa article (which is not from the LATimes but the hollywoodgossip):

"An executive at Shacknai's company, Sitrick, said the pharmaceutical CEO hired them to help him as he grieves and takes care of two funerals."

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2...lice-probe-death-of-rebecca-na/#ixzz298pCOiC2

Interesting how both DS and JS use PR firms... people who are highly paid to say or do whatever it takes to "get their version of the story out".

Ask yourself this.... why would JS CARE that the word "planking" was used...why pay all that money.... what was that all about? It isn't illegal.. it's a harmless amusement for the most part. What is it really about?

I don't believe the Zahau's have a PR firm working for them. Just a lawyer.

And ask yourself this...a highprofile grieving mother and father of such a darling little boy's sudden death... is a compelling story....and yet... it was RZ's death the manner of her death that compelled experts to offer their services for free...why not go work for the rich people who can pay you handsomely... yet neither DS or JS seemed to attract that kind of attention...

The truth brings out the best in us.... and it brings the best people to your cause....

For many it is simply the truth that the public wants to see.... and they know instinctively that they have not been told the truth by LE.

 

[freespeech]

Mrs Holmes, thank you so much for posting those. IMO, they all show that all the things being said about Shacknai and his PR company "scrubbing" articles and comments are untrue.

From the article CEO Shacknai Wields Small Army Against Speculation on Death of His Girlfriend:

"The Shacknai family has reportedly hired two lawyers, a PR firm and a private detective since the death, which has officially been declared a suicide.

Shacknai hired a PR firm, Sitrick & Co., less than a week after Rebecca Zahau Nalepa's death. Executives at that agency have had a series of off-the-record conversations with reporters whom the agency believes have made mistakes in their coverage.

It is not clear what influence the lawyers, the PR firm and the private detective have had on the case. Police found no evidence of foul play and no evidence that a third party may have been present when Rebecca died."

I see no problem with Mr. Shacknai hiring a PR firm to deal with the onslaught of media. Since there was no proof whatsoever of planking, the two newspapers cited may have changed the story on their on accord after speaking with the PR firm. There was still no proof in this article that the PR firm forced or paid the newspapers to remove the word "planking". That was the only allegation of things being "scrubbed" in this article.

And from the Jonah Shacknai Hires PR Firm as Police Probe Death of Rebecca Nalepa article (which is not from the LATimes but the hollywoodgossip):

"An executive at Shacknai's company, Sitrick, said the pharmaceutical CEO hired them to help him as he grieves and takes care of two funerals."

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2...lice-probe-death-of-rebecca-na/#ixzz298pCOiC2

Scrubbing is scouring news sources for articles that your clients feel are inaccurate or damaging and then paying PR agencies and lawyers to have comments removed. I don't see a problem with whether you believe what was true or not true. I believe the point to be that Jonah pays people to scrub articles.

The result of that is you read something in an article but when you go back to look for it to back up your argument the comment is gone. Poof.

Jonah pays someone to do that. So what ever you read is here today and gone tomorrow. History had been re-written, period. The news outlets do not always print a retraction comment which they should, so, imo, when that does not happen you wonder why?

Jonah not only wields a small army of PR people his lawyer is also know to write a mean "I'll sue you if you don't keep your big jibber jabber shut" letter. Jmo.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

How do you know Jonah's PR people strong-armed the editor's of those two news outlets and that it wasn't the EDITOR's idea to correct the article? You don't, IMO.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

How do you know Jonah's PR people strong-armed the editor's of those two news outlets and that it wasn't the EDITOR's idea to correct the article? You don't, IMO.

Someone helped those Editors to change their minds....
No one re-writes their story without a very good reason..... and when they do it without stating exactly why.... that is suspicious.... especially after having met with Jonah's PR people .....

The fact that the articles were CHANGED says it all.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Dr. Phil never mentioned Jonah Shacknai's name not one single time.... or the name of his company.... Medicis.

Ya think he got one of those lawyerly letters? Oh heck yeah..

OMG... I would love to see Jonah Shacknai on Dr. Phil.. and I don't like Dr. Phil..

Why Jonah wasn't their to support the mother of his child.... says alot.... not even offering a statement of support.

 

[freespeech]

Interesting how both DS and JS use PR firms... people who are highly paid to say or do whatever it takes to "get their version of the story out".

Ask yourself this.... why would JS CARE that the word "planking" was used...why pay all that money.... what was that all about? It isn't illegal.. it's a harmless amusement for the most part. What is it really about?

I don't believe the Zahau's have a PR firm working for them. Just a lawyer.

And ask yourself this...a highprofile grieving mother and father of such a darling little boy's sudden death... is a compelling story....and yet... it was RZ's death the manner of her death that compelled experts to offer their services for free...why not go work for the rich people who can pay you handsomely... yet neither DS or JS seemed to attract that kind of attention...

The truth brings out the best in us.... and it brings the best people to your cause....

For many it is simply the truth that the public wants to see.... and they know instinctively that they have not been told the truth by LE.

BBM

Mrs. Holmes, I love that you said what you did. It was so true about this case that it gave me goosebumps when I read it. Bless you, dear Mrs. Holmes for making my day.

 

[freespeech]

How do you know Jonah's PR people strong-armed the editor's of those two news outlets and that it wasn't the EDITOR's idea to correct the article? You don't, IMO.

We don't know. We just know it was scrubbed. Did you see a printed retraction that stated a reason?

 

[Betty P]

Thanks for the information Inparadise....

Now that is just creepy... are you sure... JS is moving back into Spreckles...where his son and girlfriend met tragic deaths..... that's insanity.

I think JS still owns it because no one will buy it... and he set that deal up to try and disassociate it from the tragedies....

but to live in it again?

How do you know that?

It was also helpful to put the house on the market, "sell" it and use the opportunity to clean it out and, coincidentally, remove any remaining evidence.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

It was also helpful to put the house on the market, "sell" it and use the opportunity to clean it out and, coincidentally, remove any remaining evidence.

oh yeah.. and THAT too.... :what:

 

[freespeech]

I don't agree about Jonah and the permission to go into the mansion. How can it be Jonah's fault when he gave Bremner permission? I think the Zahaus love it that their supporters blame everything they do on Jonah. IMO.

Jonah gave the Zahus permission WITH A STIPULATION that they be accompanied by SDSO. SDSO refused so Jonah denied them access.

I think what happened is simple to understand. Bremner did not drop the ball and neither did the Zahaus. Jonah could have had them arrested if they attempted to access the property by breaching his conditions.

If they all ended up in jail how would that serve their purposes. Jonah and Dina would just point their fingers and say, 'See we told you so, they are the bad people, not us.' The Zahau family seems to be composed of highly intelligent members who act in a proper manner, imo.

 

[*Lash*]

Examples of scrubbing -

Media coverage has changed: A source close to the case told BNET that Rebecca told her family she believed Max, Shacknai's 6-year-old son, may have been "planking" on a stair rail before he suffered a fatal fall two days before she died. (Planking is a fad in which people photograph themselves lying face down in unusual locations.) USA Today initially published a story that included the planking reference, but that word was removed from later editions, as these images of Google's cache of two older versions of the story show:

*See images included in article*

USA Today did not return a message requesting comment. San Diego officials said at their press conference on the deaths that they had not heard of the planking theory from any witness, but there were no witnesses as to what Max was doing before he died. They theorized he must have run at the stair rail in order to gain enough momentum to sail over it and hit a chandelier before landing on the floor below.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_...on-on-death-of-his-girlfriend/?tag=bnetdomain

 

[justice be served]

Examples of scrubbing -

Thanks for finding that one Lash. I too have linked a number of articles on these threads as well on the scrubbing having been done. What amazes me is that the scrubbers must believe it changes memories of the first version! Go figure. Guess they think the public are a bunch of dummies.

 

[freespeech]

Thanks for finding that one Lash. I too have linked a number of articles on these threads as well on the scrubbing having been done. What amazes me is that the scrubbers must believe it changes memories of the first version! Go figure. Guess they think the public are a bunch of dummies.

It doesn't necessarily change one's memory but does make it difficult to support theories with MSM links. It also has a net effect of re-writing history by scrubbing out important leads and information for those that develop an interest in this case later on especially those who did not read earlier stories. So in essence the purpose is more to solidify a reputation by washing out elements of a scandal that will be read much later down the line.

Also, for those who plan to become aficionados of this case should keep hard copies of all interesting MSM articles.

I believe there is One above all who keeps track of all these things. I like what Inobu, a past inactive poster on this case used put at the bottom of his page: Vengeance is mine...a quote from the Bible.

"Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord."

No amount of PR can erase that saying. No need to fret. In time the responsible parties will pay. That is for sure.

 

[freespeech]

Does anyone know what happened to all the great posters that initiated all these threads? I rarely see any of them posting except a handful and then only very occasionally. We seem to be in a second group that pushed off the first groups work. Anyone know what happened to them?

Arielilane? Bonepile? Greenpalm? Deanna82437?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

From the article CEO Shacknai Wields Small Army Against Speculation on Death of His Girlfriend:

"The Shacknai family has reportedly hired two lawyers, a PR firm and a private detective since the death, which has officially been declared a suicide.

Shacknai hired a PR firm, Sitrick & Co., less than a week after Rebecca Zahau Nalepa's death. Executives at that agency have had a series of off-the-record conversations with reporters whom the agency believes have made mistakes in their coverage.

It is not clear what influence the lawyers, the PR firm and the private detective have had on the case. Police found no evidence of foul play and no evidence that a third party may have been present when Rebecca died."

I see no problem with Mr. Shacknai hiring a PR firm to deal with the onslaught of media. Since there was no proof whatsoever of planking, the two newspapers cited may have changed the story on their on accord after speaking with the PR firm. There was still no proof in this article that the PR firm forced or paid the newspapers to remove the word "planking". That was the only allegation of things being "scrubbed" in this article.

And from the Jonah Shacknai Hires PR Firm as Police Probe Death of Rebecca Nalepa article (which is not from the LATimes but the hollywoodgossip):

"An executive at Shacknai's company, Sitrick, said the pharmaceutical CEO hired them to help him as he grieves and takes care of two funerals."

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/20...#ixzz298pCOiC2

 

[freespeech]

From the article CEO Shacknai Wields Small Army Against Speculation on Death of His Girlfriend:

"The Shacknai family has reportedly hired two lawyers, a PR firm and a private detective since the death, which has officially been declared a suicide.

Shacknai hired a PR firm, Sitrick & Co., less than a week after Rebecca Zahau Nalepa's death. Executives at that agency have had a series of off-the-record conversations with reporters whom the agency believes have made mistakes in their coverage.

It is not clear what influence the lawyers, the PR firm and the private detective have had on the case. Police found no evidence of foul play and no evidence that a third party may have been present when Rebecca died."

I see no problem with Mr. Shacknai hiring a PR firm to deal with the onslaught of media. Since there was no proof whatsoever of planking, the two newspapers cited may have changed the story on their on accord after speaking with the PR firm. There was still no proof in this article that the PR firm forced or paid the newspapers to remove the word "planking". That was the only allegation of things being "scrubbed" in this article.

And from the Jonah Shacknai Hires PR Firm as Police Probe Death of Rebecca Nalepa article (which is not from the LATimes but the hollywoodgossip):

"An executive at Shacknai's company, Sitrick, said the pharmaceutical CEO hired them to help him as he grieves and takes care of two funerals."

http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/20...#ixzz298pCOiC2

BBM

The article questions by pointing to "It is not clear what influence the lawyers, the PR firm and the private detective have had on the case."

Who decides what is inaccurate and why? Jonah paid for damage control. That means he paid to spin it to his advantage.

Who released this statement, "Police found no evidence of foul play and no evidence that a third party may have been present when Rebecca died." We need the source in order to examine the conclusion made. Tia.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

BBM

The article questions by pointing to "It is not clear what influence the lawyers, the PR firm and the private detective have had on the case."

So we would also need the source to examine this conclusion?

Jonah Shacknai paid for a PR firm to handle the media requests. Not "damage control."

JMO