The Case of JonBenet Ramsey-CBS Sept. 18 # 2

[andreww]

Of course it doesn't make sense but it was an attempt to explain the dead body in the basement.

But??? They called cops at 5:50 am or so, so they were implying the killer was waiting in the basement, then killed her by cracking her skull and garrotting her, then escaping in the 5 minutes it took cops to get there?

 

[ThinkHard]

I have a question regarding the Ramsey's plans for the body....if there plan was to later remove her body via private plane, why stage a crime to look even worse then it was? If their plan was to dispose or bury it privately why go through all that work if no one is going to see it anyway?

Also regarding the ransom note, why would threats in the note explain why she was dead? She was dead before the parents would have seen the note, so how could anything they did regarding violating the threats in the note cause her death?

 

[ThinkHard]

Air conditioning isn't common up in Boulder - no real need for it except on the very hottest days. I don't think the Ramsey home had central AC. People sleep with the windows open at night b/c the air cools down so much. I grew up in Denver and I still miss being able to sleep with the windows open.

But if people are going to have it, my guess is it would be wealthier neighborhoods where it would be most common

 

[ThinkHard]

So maybe the kidnapper never left the house but was hiding with JBR in the WC, then when they heard the footsteps upstairs of all of police officers and friends, he killed her, then exited through the window without anyone seeing him. Escaped on foot.

Is this sarcasm?

 

[madeleine]

JR was gone for an hour and a half. He could have re- staged everything for many times in such a long time. He admits to going down there once and staying for s few minutes or so. I don't buy it.

 

[Tortoise]

I have a question regarding the Ramsey's plans for the body....if there plan was to later remove her body via private plane, why stage a crime to look even worse then it was? If their plan was to dispose or bury it privately why go through all that work if no one is going to see it anyway?

Also regarding the ransom note, why would threats in the note explain why she was dead? She was dead before the parents would have seen the note, so how could anything they did regarding violating the threats in the note cause her death?

They had to call the police to their home, so they couldn't guarantee the police would not find her dead body before they had a chance to remove it.

It was their only choice - imagine you have a dead child in your house, the only thing you can write in a ransom note is a threat to kill her, you can't write we have already killed her.

They had a choice of saying an intruder broke in and killed her and they found her dead body, but there was a high chance they would be suspects. Removing the body after police have been there, checked the house over and not found her, is the only reasonable prospect of not being suspected.

 

[TTF14]

Is this sarcasm?

Yes .

 

[RL2]

I think they were over confident that LE would just believe the ransom story and not look in the house. I don't understand how the Ramseys thought it would be a good idea to just take off in an airplane if you don't know where your kidnapped daughter is. Didn't they think that would raise suspicion?

Everything they did raised suspicion

 

[TTF14]

Do any of you who have followed this case for 20 years know if PR woke JBR before bed that night to have her use the bathroom?

 

[RL2]

I think they were over confident that LE would just believe the ransom story and not look in the house. I don't understand how the Ramseys thought it would be a good idea to just take off in an airplane if you don't know where your kidnapped daughter is. Didn't they think that would raise suspicion?

Remember: if the police found no body, they could have hopped a plane and insinuated they were flying to meet the "kidnapper", bury her, lawyer up & Never return.... There would be no body, and everyone would just think the kidnappers had killed her. ... Ramseys could argue that they are so traumatized that there's no reason for them to talk to the police.

 

[Heymom]

Remember, folks, we have the benefit of time and distance to consider all of the elements and wonder about the logic and thought process the Ramseys were using that morning....They had no such benefit. Fear and grief and horror would have been driving their decisions and logic wasn't available to them as it is to us. What they did was seen by them as the best option at the time. It ended up working and none of them went to jail, nor was Burke removed from the home for a state institution.

 

[johnjay]

They had to call the police to their home, so they couldn't guarantee the police would not find her dead body before they had a chance to remove it.

It was their only choice - imagine you have a dead child in your house, the only thing you can write in a ransom note is a threat to kill her, you can't write we have already killed her.

They had a choice of saying an intruder broke in and killed her and they found her dead body, but there was a high chance they would be suspects. Removing the body after police have been there, checked the house over and not found her, is the only reasonable prospect of not being suspected.

The police should have found her when they searched the house. Of course, I'm assuming she was in the WC all along.

 

[RL2]

Air conditioning isn't common up in Boulder - no real need for it except on the very hottest days. I don't think the Ramsey home had central AC. People sleep with the windows open at night b/c the air cools down so much. I grew up in Denver and I still miss being able to sleep with the windows open.

True. My BIL grew up in Steamboat Springs, CO... No central AC when we visited in June. It isn't like down here in the South...

 

[madeleine]

If there was only a blow to the head they could have placed her near a stair or something , call 911 . She probably fell, I was asleep and found her here.

Why go through all the trouble with the Rn and garotte ?

IMO Kolar got it right and it was WORSE.Who knows how they really found JB if BDI. Must have been pretty horrible if they decided it needed such a big cover-up.

 

[RL2]

Remember, folks, we have the benefit of time and distance to consider all of the elements and wonder about the logic and thought process the Ramseys were using that morning....They had no such benefit. Fear and grief and horror would have been driving their decisions and logic wasn't available to them as it is to us. What they did was seen by them as the best option at the time. It ended up working and none of them went to jail, nor was Burke removed from the home for a state institution.

Agreed. They did a pretty dang good job of throwing suspicion and getting out of there. Now, had they only not talked and talked and talked via the media and their "book"��

 

[MaryMac250]

Is this sarcasm?

No. Just incredibly bad thinking. There's a lot of it out there.

 

[CoreyRocks]

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23 hours ago - One theory of the death is that it was caused by her brother Burke, who at age 9 was ... I'm also not quite sure whether "Death of JonBenét Ramsey"or "Killing of ...

I am sorry. I couldn't find it here. Wiki had one for just Burke and his info.

I see the one discussing the case but he had one under his name.

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[ThinkHard]

Remember, folks, we have the benefit of time and distance to consider all of the elements and wonder about the logic and thought process the Ramseys were using that morning....They had no such benefit. Fear and grief and horror would have been driving their decisions and logic wasn't available to them as it is to us. What they did was seen by them as the best option at the time. It ended up working and none of them went to jail, nor was Burke removed from the home for a state institution.

I agree with you on this. I think in there panic they tried to think of everything but obviously glanced over details that later look suspicious. Perhaps it was a mistake the flashlight was left in the kitchen after it was wiped down. Maybe they meant to hide it and remove it I suitcase but it got overlooked until after other people were in their home ....same thing with not noticing a cobweb in the corner of the basement .... Had they been thinking clearly they likely would have considered these things and made them fit better in their story.

The sheer disorganization of evidence and there stories after, points to people who handled that crime scene when they weren't thinking straight.

Not like a professional foreign faction.....besides what kidnapper, kidnaps someone with zero supplies of their own.....what kidnapper would plan a crime but just rely on what was available to him in the house when he got there, regardless if the rest of the family was sleeping upstairs.....

 

[TTF14]

No. Just incredibly bad thinking. There's a lot of it out there.

I answered for myself, thanks, and yes I was being sarcastic .

 

[ThinkHard]

True. My BIL grew up in Steamboat Springs, CO... No central AC when we visited in June. It isn't like down here in the South...

What's your point? I live in New England and don't have AC. But I certainly know plenty of people who do, as well as plenty of people who don't. I don't think based on one persons home you can insinuate that no one in a wealthy neighborhood had AC just because one person you know in CO doesn't.