The Conclusion

[Seeker]

I have just begun reading in depth about JBR and wondered who miss krebs is ?does someone have a link to it.

Sure thing...start here
Here complete interview with the BPD, including her stating that John Ramsey not only raped and sodimized her, but sold home movies of himself and others doing so.

 

[deanws]

Sure thing...start here
Here complete interview with the BPD, including her stating that John Ramsey not only raped and sodimized her, but sold home movies of himself and others doing so.

OMGosh.

 

[Zman]

I have always found it intriguing that some posters believe everything this woman said - with the sole exception of the Uncle Johnny bit ... and yet the so called "BORG" - who are accused of embracing any little bit of anti-ramsey dirt .... seem not to believe any of it!

I think this particular sideshow is an important measure of balanced thinking.

Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.........usually

 

[aussiegran]

Sure thing...start here
Here complete interview with the BPD, including her stating that John Ramsey not only raped and sodimized her, but sold home movies of himself and others doing so.

Thanks Seeker !Looks like I have got some reading to do.

 

[Nedthan Johns]

Aussie: You say you have refereneced orignal sources whenever possible and have come to the conclusion that Patsy is guilty and John is 100% innocent. I would like to hear more about your theory.

In another statement you talk about how gruesome it is to exhume the body and the Ramsey’s are no different. First of all, many parents have exhumed bodies of their loved ones. Of course it’s gruesome, but no more gruesome than the crime that was committed to that poor child. No one knows the condition of JB’s body. Casket, embalming methods, temperature all play part in the decomposition. The Ramsey’s should have IMMEDIATELY done it the moment Lou Smit came up with his theory. Cost wise, it was nothing for the Ramsey’s. Any loving parent would continue to search for clues. These aren’t loving parents, WHY?

If you think John is innocent, why does he continue to cover for his wife?

 

[solidarity]

John said he had something very important to do, tell me, what could possibly be more important than finding out who killed their precious daughter?

Perhaps protecting your still alive son (if he was involved in the crime).

 

[narlacat]

Perhaps.
I lean heavily towards Burke as accidently killing his sister in a moment of sibling rivarly rage.

 

[concernedperson]

I still see Patsy as the culprit. With John as an accessory.

 

[Rupert]

How criminal the crime scene appears depends on your POV. If you've already decided it was an accident staged by one or more family members to look like some crazy foreigner did it, you'll likely decriminalize a lot of the potentially highly criminal aspects.

Like the black duct tape. Its rarely mentioned in posts, and yet its so criminal. Where did it come from? Where did it go?

Like the second ligature. Three slip-knot loops and a length in between. How was it really used? If you claim it was only used to tie her hands together, you could be decriminalizing it to suit your POV. Where did the cord come from and where did the remainder go?

An accident coverup requires all materials be present in the house that night. The tape and the cord aren't from the house, are they?

The tape and cord may have been from the house and any remnant might have been discarded. But where? We are missing the tape end, the cord end, the stun gun, and maybe the headbash weapon.

If it was an intruder, he could have taken those things with him. If it was not an intruder, the headbash weapon might be somewhere inside, the stun gun might have been non-existant, and the tape and cord could have been thrown over the hedge.

Did they determine what caused the head injury? Surely forensics could have if it were something like the bathroom taps or edge of tub or the maglight. Does anyone know about that or has it been kept secret in the case file.

Did they really check the neighbourhood for small items like the tape and the cord? Perhaps they are sitting under a bush down the lane.

 

[narlacat]

Rupert
They have not determined what caused the head injury as far as I know.
I have always wondered if they searched up and down the street and in neighbouring yards. I know they found an earring in the gutter in front of the Ramsey's house, but I'm not sure if they did a search of the neighbourhood.

 

[sandraladeda]

The tape and cord may have been from the house and any remnant might have been discarded. But where? We are missing the tape end, the cord end, the stun gun, and maybe the headbash weapon.

If it was an intruder, he could have taken those things with him. If it was not an intruder, the headbash weapon might be somewhere inside, the stun gun might have been non-existant, and the tape and cord could have been thrown over the hedge.

Did they determine what caused the head injury? Surely forensics could have if it were something like the bathroom taps or edge of tub or the maglight. Does anyone know about that or has it been kept secret in the case file.

Did they really check the neighbourhood for small items like the tape and the cord? Perhaps they are sitting under a bush down the lane.

Is it not possible the tape and cord remnants left the house with Burke? Did the police search/frisk him before he left for the White's house?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Is it not possible the tape and cord remnants left the house with Burke? Did the police search/frisk him before he left for the White's house?

I think it's more likely than not

 

[narlacat]

Is it not possible the tape and cord remnants left the house with Burke? Did the police search/frisk him before he left for the White's house?

At that stage JonBenet was only missing, she had yet to be discovered in the basement, so LE would have had no reason to search/frisk him.

 

[IrishMist]

I guess it does depend on your point of view.

If you believe IDI, then you would believe he/she/they took it with them.

If you believe RDI, then any Ramsey could have taken it out with them. Or, as I said earlier, it could have been the last of the cord, and the tape could have come off something else. I read somewhere that the tape had been used, but now I can't find the source. Does anyone have any info regarding this?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The tape and cord may have been from the house and any remnant might have been discarded. But where? We are missing the tape end, the cord end, the stun gun, and maybe the headbash weapon.

If it was an intruder, he could have taken those things with him. If it was not an intruder, the headbash weapon might be somewhere inside, the stun gun might have been non-existant, and the tape and cord could have been thrown over the hedge.

Did they determine what caused the head injury? Surely forensics could have if it were something like the bathroom taps or edge of tub or the maglight. Does anyone know about that or has it been kept secret in the case file.

Did they really check the neighbourhood for small items like the tape and the cord? Perhaps they are sitting under a bush down the lane.

I'm sure a kitchen knife has been used in a household murder before, but the knife has another legitimate use in the house. Where's the legitimate application for black duct tape? Most who use duct tape buy gray duct tape, not black. Where's the legitimate application for the cord?

A better RDI position would have resulted if the duct tape were gray, and the cord were a shoelace or curtain cord, or things found normally in their house.

It appears that this cord and duct tape had no other legitimate use in the house, and were therefore procured and brought to the house for the purpose of crime. They were clearly not legitimate household items utilized on the spur of the moment.

 

[Zman]

At that stage JonBenet was only missing, she had yet to be discovered in the basement, so LE would have had no reason to search/frisk him.

So the plan was to call the police to the house. Being sure LE would not find JBR in the basement they would then load up BR with incriminating evidence and hope he gets out the door with no one noticing him or droping anything by accident or having someone see him hiding things on his body? All the while hoping that BR will be able to hold up to the pressure of this incredibly tense situation and not say the wrong thing or trip and spill evidence all over the house. Thats a lot of confidence in a 9 year old boy.

Thats a great plan.

 

[narlacat]

I don't know if they loaded Burke up with the incriminating evidence or not, but it is one way they could have got the stuff out of the house, who knows?
Whatever their plan was, it worked.

 

[capps]

I don't know if they loaded Burke up with the incriminating evidence or not, but it is one way they could have got the stuff out of the house, who knows?
Whatever their plan was, it worked.

Narlacat,

I like your last sentence ... and FINALLY something we ALL can agree on! Whether it was a Ramsey or intruder ... whomever did this to JonBenet ..... it worked.

 

[why_nutt]

IWhere's the legitimate application for black duct tape? Most who use duct tape buy gray duct tape, not black. Where's the legitimate application for the cord?

It has been pointed out before, and it is has been true to say, that black duct tape is commonly used on stages to indicate where a performer should, as the phrase goes, "hit their mark." In the Ramsey household, JonBenet had to meet many rigorous standards in her pageant career, and one of those standards was the ability to hit her mark on stage. Black is used because it stands out, a performer who might otherwise be blinded by stage lights can see the black better certainly than a light grey. In at least one of JonBenet's pageants you can see the mark at the center of the stage.

And if there was no legitimate application for black duct tape, why did McGuckin's hardware store in Boulder bother to sell it?

 

[deanws]

I'm sure a kitchen knife has been used in a household murder before, but the knife has another legitimate use in the house. Where's the legitimate application for black duct tape? Most who use duct tape buy gray duct tape, not black. Where's the legitimate application for the cord?

A better RDI position would have resulted if the duct tape were gray, and the cord were a shoelace or curtain cord, or things found normally in their house.

It appears that this cord and duct tape had no other legitimate use in the house, and were therefore procured and brought to the house for the purpose of crime. They were clearly not legitimate household items utilized on the spur of the moment.

Guess I am in trouble because I just bought some black duct tape this weekend.