The Crab and why did the Ramsey's think that this was weird..?

  • #21
Fleet White was a retired oil executive.
There is a pic of Daphne and JonBenet floating around the net somewhere, try maketoast, it could be there. At best, Daphne was a very average looking girl and paled in comparison to JonBenet.
I don't know if Priscilla was jealous of Patsy for that....I do know she felt compelled to talk to her about the 'mega Jonbenet thing' that got mentioned in ST's book.
 
  • #22
tipper said:
I'd think it was a kindly gesture too. Then I'd wonder what special plate they'd prepared for my other child, who was presumably hungry too.
Maybe Burke had already eaten.JBR supposably liked crab,maybe BR wasnt as fond of seafood.
 
  • #23
narlacat said:
Fleet White was a retired oil executive.
There is a pic of Daphne and JonBenet floating around the net somewhere, try maketoast, it could be there. At best, Daphne was a very average looking girl and paled in comparison to JonBenet.
I don't know if Priscilla was jealous of Patsy for that....I do know she felt compelled to talk to her about the 'mega Jonbenet thing' that got mentioned in ST's book.
I don't buy the jealous thing. It is silly. Most Moms think their children are beautiful. I know my daughter is the most beautiful girl in the world. :angel:
 
  • #24
deandaniellws said:
I don't buy the jealous thing. It is silly. Most Moms think their children are beautiful. I know my daughter is the most beautiful girl in the world. :angel:
My son holds the title for the most handsome boy! What a strange coincidence that we both showed up here at WS!
 
  • #25
Shanny said:
In JonBenet: The Police Files
Patsy thought that it was weird that Priscilla White saved a plate of Crab for JonBenet Patsy stated " I just remember Priscilla....said 'I know your kids like sea food, so I will hold this little plate out for JonBenet to make sure she gets some.' I remember that well and I thought that's nice to make sure that we don't devour it before the kids get any, but she specifically mentioned JonBenet's name. And at the time it kind of you know..flew over. But then when you were trying to remember things later, it seems, you know, a little strange. "
John told Steve Thomas that he thought it was strange also.
Did the Ramsey's think that Priscilla was trying to posion JonBenet or something.
I think it's weird that the Ramsey's thought that it was strange for their friend to save a plate of crab for their daughter.
Also if JonBenet ate Crab that night how come it did not show up in her system?
The Pineapple showed in her system and the Autopsy said that the Pineapple was poorly chewed, could it have been that JonBenet never ate Crab at the White's house and came home hungry and hurriedly ate pineapple or Dr. Meyer did over looked the crab in her system?
Well if the Ramseys thought it was so wierd, why did they state in their book of lies on page 8 that PW saved a little plate of cracked crab so JBR could TRY it? The crab was a leftover from the White's Christmas Eve dinner, it wasn't cooked especially for the dinner that night, but I don't see anything sinister about it either.
 
  • #26
trixie said:
I think John and Patsy were trying to find alot of ordinary things "strange" because they wanted to throw suspicion onto someone, (maybe anyone), else. They did cast suspicion upon the Whites in several ways. I just think this was part of the CYA.

Ooo, ooo, can we turn this into the irrational-John-and-Patsy thread? Because I have many examples of how the both of them claim in their 1998 interviews that many things struck them as weird and strange and abnormal, things which make them out to be strangers in their own house, potentially positively surrounded by people they, in retrospect, believe wanted to kill them.

My current favorite is John, the Kleenex box, and the uncashed check.

LOU SMIT: This is also another picture, picture 416, which also shows the same bowl, only it shows the gingerbread house, and there's some Kleenex on there and things of that nature. So I don't know. Is that the gingerbread house that the children were making?

JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. It looks like it. This was like in -- Patsy would know. I'm not sure why a Kleenex box is there either. That's not normal for a Kleenex box.

LOU SMIT: What do you say about that?

JOHN RAMSEY: Well, I guess it doesn't belong on the kitchen table. I don't know where it came from, but that's not where it ought to be.

Do we have a giant rolleyes icon available? Because I am sure there cannot be one big enough to convey how ridiculous John's statement is. Oh my god, Kleenex do not belong on a kitchen table! KLEENEX DO NOT BELONG ON A KITCHEN TABLE!!! JonBenet's killer must have brought it in.

On the other hand, apparently, uncashed checks belong where? Why, the average American family keeps its checks in with the dinner dishes, of course.

LOU SMIT: Perhaps 66 is a photograph of a check. Do you recall that?

JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. I had in effect loaned Jay that money, when I bought his building. And he paid me back. I just hadn't deposited it.

LOU SMIT: Do you know where that was located?

JOHN RAMSEY: I think that was, looks like it was the dish rack in the back hallway, right there. About that little table.

LOU SMIT: Okay.

JOHN RAMSEY: Some checks or something on the table.

Curiously, the intruder theorists who believe JonBenet's kidnapping and murder was for money (especially the Helgoth theorists) neglect to notice that an uncashed check, for an amount large enough to have paid to buy a building, was just sitting out waiting to be taken. And what amount was on the check? I mean, really, theorists, at least try and imply that the amount was $118,000, thus giving the note-writer a number to shoot for in obviously-available funds if only John bothered to cash the check.

Oh, wait, no, this would implicate Patsy, who would also have seen the check sitting in her dish rack right where she could not claim she avoided knowing about it. So, all the IDI theorists have to pretend the check was not there.

(ponders the subject and sets out to see just what real-estate transactions Jay Elowsky was making in 1996 and before, that would have required a loan from John Ramsey instead of a bank like any real successful professional restauranteur, and for what amount)

(ponders the subject some more and realizes that with all his divorces and domestic abuse of former wives, Jay Elowsky may have had a less-than-stellar ability to get bank credit, thus making him need to use John Ramsey as a loan shark. And Elowsky is not a suspect in this case....why?)
 
  • #27
Making things up?
Who are you?
You don't even know me!
Anyway, in the book" JonBenet" by Steve Thomas Dr. Meyer said when he did the autospy on JonBenet the fragments of pineapple in JB's system showed that it was poorly chewed.


Zman said:
The wierd part was singling out JBR by name.
We know PW saved some crab for JBR. We don't know if she ate any.
Where did the autopsy say the pineapple was poorly chewed?
Are making things up again?
 
  • #28
LOL Nutt. Yep...they are a strange bunch. The way the family functions is weird to start with. It is almost as if they are all strangers staying in a hotel. Patsy and John come and go with little regard to each other. Strange marriage and family indeed.
 
  • #29
Also in the PR interview she said that kleenex didn't look right - it was too flat and she only bought the tall square you know designer box. I think victim advocates would carry in kleenex not pineapple.
 
  • #30
>>And Elowsky is not a suspect in this case....why?)<<


I don't know why.
It seems hard to find out much about him, the little bits that I have read don't tell me much at all.
I guess all I know about him is that he owned a restaurant, he had a temper and the Ramsey's stayed with him for 6 weeks or so after JonBenet's death.
I know as much about Elowsky as I know about Don Paugh. God knows we heard enough from Nedra.
 
  • #31
Shanny said:
Making things up?
Who are you?
You don't even know me!
Anyway, in the book" JonBenet" by Steve Thomas Dr. Meyer said when he did the autospy on JonBenet the fragments of pineapple in JB's system showed that it was poorly chewed.
Oh ST, sorry than it must be true.

Kids will eat things they like very fast. It's not strange

I'm not even sure you can tell how something is chewed once its that far digested?

It's not on the AR. Nothing about how the pineapple was chewed.
 
  • #32
Rachael said:
I have been in the same situation LB and I have two boys and a girl. Everyone always makes a big deal about the girl except my MIL who seems to favor boys (especially my oldest because she helped to raise him). I don't think it's a big deal. My MIL would have done the same for any of my son if she knew he liked something.

Mine would have too. I just don't see anything odd about Priscilla doing this.
 
  • #33
luvbeaches said:
Mine would have too. I just don't see anything odd about Priscilla doing this.

Me neither, but I do consider it odd that the Ramsey's might point the finger of suspicion at their friends in this manner, along with the ransom note, it just looks like a determined strategy to deflect the investigation outwards away from the Ramsey home.
 
  • #34
:croc: Maybe the argument that JR and FW had back in the Carolinas? (or was it Georgia)my mind is going blank. I used to know this guys!Anyway, maybe their fight wasn't just about FW telling JR not to hide behind lawyers. Maybe JR actually accused FW or asked him where he was on the night she was killed. That would make FW mad enough to fly back to Colorado. Any thoughts?
 
  • #35
ellen13 said:
:croc: Maybe the argument that JR and FW had back in the Carolinas? (or was it Georgia)my mind is going blank. I used to know this guys!Anyway, maybe their fight wasn't just about FW telling JR not to hide behind lawyers. Maybe JR actually accused FW or asked him where he was on the night she was killed. That would make FW mad enough to fly back to Colorado. Any thoughts?
I'd love to but I thought the F word was a no-no here.
 
  • #36
UKGuy said:
Me neither, but I do consider it odd that the Ramsey's might point the finger of suspicion at their friends in this manner, along with the ransom note, it just looks like a determined strategy to deflect the investigation outwards away from the Ramsey home.

Yep, the Ramsey's threw as many people as they could "under the bus." I can't get beyond them because of all the things they've said and done. If my child had been murdered, I'd have been camped out at the police station.
 
  • #37
narlacat said:
Fleet White was a retired oil executive.
There is a pic of Daphne and JonBenet floating around the net somewhere, try maketoast, it could be there. At best, Daphne was a very average looking girl and paled in comparison to JonBenet.
I don't know if Priscilla was jealous of Patsy for that....I do know she felt compelled to talk to her about the 'mega Jonbenet thing' that got mentioned in ST's book.

I found the pic by searching on the net. There were others of JonBenet at various ages. I think that Patsy must have had some cosmetic work done to JonBenet's cheeks because in 2 years time they went from looking sort of droopy and like John's cheeks to something totally different and more full looking. That's even accounting for makeup, losing a little baby fat, and different posing in the pics.
 
  • #38
Zman said:
I'd love to but I thought the F word was a no-no here.
Oh no, I'm just saying maybe JR accused him. I'm not
saying one way or another if I think FW did it. I'm just discussing
an argument they had and what could possibly have been said.
Sorry about the F word.
 
  • #39
John Ramsey definitely cast suspiscion on Fleet White, and I think it was because FW was figuring out that the Ramseys had to know more about their daughter's murder than they were letting on.

Are we not allowed to mention FW at all, or just not allowed to say he might have been the perp? I don't think he was, I'm just asking.
 
  • #40
What's weird is this:

MK: Was Fleet talking to you during all of that? ( When John Ramsey was waiting for the kidnappers to call)

JR: Fleet was taking franic notes, I remember that. I noticed that there was a yellow note pad and he was just writing, writing, writing.

MK: Do you know what he was writing?

JR: I don't. No. No. I mean it was like every little thing I had to do or should do.......

MK: Did you find that odd?

JR: I guess at the time, I thought he was just trying to do what he could to help, that was my impression.....

The Ramsey's should have thought THAT was weird
instead of comforting John and Patsy
Fleet White was sitting in the Ramsey's home taking notes.
 

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