The Crime Scene and Investigation

[LaneGirl]

Computers, cell phones, texts, video footage from house or from highways along the way, office data, perhaps journals that were on a computer rather than handwritten..pings etc. Ok here is a thought.. didnt someone say that the cell phone # given to the patients was MS' cell phone number and that is no longer working? Did i dream that? MOO on anything I write.

I believe a reporter said that MS was not answering that cell number. If I'm not mistaken its in the same news article with MS dangling the trash outside his car. I will see if I can find the link.

 

[LaneGirl]

I believe a reporter said that MS was not answering that cell number. If I'm not mistaken its in the same news article with MS dangling the trash outside his car. I will see if I can find the link.

NBC2 has tried reaching Mark Sievers for nearly a week now. Since the news of two arrests in the murder case, Mark's cell phone has been shut off. It's also the same phone his wife's former patients are directed to call.

http://www.nbc-2.com/story/29946319/murdered-bonita-doctors-husband-no-comment#.Ve8gNWK9KSM

 

[No it's not]

I just thought of something! Remember LE putting crime-scene tape back up on Monday July 6th? That was the day of the FUNERAL:

[video=youtube;T4EZOCpYxN4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4EZOCpYxN4[/video]

Why would they put the yellow tape back up on that Monday, after they had just taken it down and released the house on Friday, July 3rd?

Possible reason:

CWW was in town for the funeral, as we all know. Did he go to the house on the previous weekend (July 3,4,5) and joined MS and/or Dr S's brothers in the effort to check the alarm system and why it had not gone off? In the end he used to work for an alarm company before! How convenient and very helpful!

When I talked to neighbors on Jarvis Rd, I had conflicting information regarding MS going into the house with T's brothers versus staying in the car behind. If CWW was the one going inside and MS was staying in the car, then that would explain it.

The house was still under constant observation for days after the (Friday) release by LE. They were parked on the street in front of the house. They would notice anyone entering/leaving the house on Jarvis.

They could have gotten a new search warrant based on something in connection they already had in regards to CWW (partial print/hand), went back, put the yellow tape up and took new evidence to compare against what was left behind by CWW, when he returned for the funeral. The initial finds may have not been fingerprints but palm prints and foot prints. The new evidence may have matched anything found at the crime scene. They may have already had a lead on CWW due to computer emails/ phone/ correspondence.

They then processed and went immediately to MO most likely prior to 7/12 to take CWW into custody. I do not believe the warrant did not go through. I think that was intentionally done to create movement.

Eventually they were able to arrest CWW and JR.

All my opinion of course

-Nin

 

[No it's not]

In that same video I just posted, they are still looking for the SUV, that was seen in the S driveway on the morning of June 29th.

Marker 2:44

[video=youtube;T4EZOCpYxN4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4EZOCpYxN4[/video]

This video is from July 6th, Monday, the day of the funeral. Obviously they did not know by then yet, who the SUV belonged to or who drove it.

I assume it is about the tan Avalanche driven by a Doctor friend, according to the verified insider Skinnner (WS). Didn't MS tell LE who he called to check on Dr S? Very confusing (by design?).

-Nin

 

[creepingskills]

According to Skinner, CWW is considered highly skilled in the field of IT. Taking this at face value, from my experience working at large corporation with an IT support department that included security professionals, your standard IT employee was there to offer support with run of the mill computer issues (e.g. password reset, server issues, computer problems, installing new equipment) while security professionals had extensive experience with encryption, and securing data. From what we know so far, I would guess CWW is your standard IT guy who knew a lot about PCs, installing computer equipment and maintaining websites.

My point here is to offer an explanation as to why CWW failed to cover his tracks. IT and security are closely related fields, but require different skills. It is unclear whether CWW had more knowledge than the average joe regarding computer security measures and/or cell phone tracking (i.e. failure to avoid Walmart's extensive security system). Sure, it is possible that CWW had no clue about Walmart's cameras, but for some unsubstantiated reason I think he was aware, to an extent. Walmart's security cameras cover the parking lot area. Perhaps CWW did not know this and remained in the car while JR made the purchase. It would be very interesting to know what vehicle was driven to Walmart, LE surely knows. Maybe it was the van.

That being said, both a hammer and a jumpsuit could be obtained by other means with substantially less risk (e.g. small hardware store, JR's previous employer). So, what did these two need so badly from Walmart? My best guess is burner phone(s), prepaid cell phones that are not easily tracked to the purchaser/user, or money transfer services. I would assume that if either JW or CWW is on camera buying a hammer, jumpsuit, or anything that could be used to assist them in murdering TS, we would have seen 1st degree murder charges against at least one of two.

 

[Dushi]

In that same video I just posted, they are still looking for the SUV, that was seen in the S driveway on the morning of June 29th.

Marker 2:44

[video=youtube;T4EZOCpYxN4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4EZOCpYxN4[/video]

This video is from July 6th, Monday, the day of the funeral. Obviously they did not know by then yet, who the SUV belonged to or who drove it.

I assume it is about the tan Avalanche driven by a Doctor friend, according to the verified insider Skinnner (WS). Didn't MS tell LE who he called to check on Dr S? Very confusing (by design?).

-Nin

IMO, LE knew who they sent to do the welfare check
Someone called 911 also

If LE knew who found TS and there were questions about a vehicle, I am certain the first person they spoke to was someone they knew was there that morning.

Perhaps its MSM who didn't know

 

[lstiff]

According to Skinner, CWW is considered highly skilled in the field of IT. Taking this at face value, from my experience working at large corporation with an IT support department that included security professionals, your standard IT employee was there to offer support with run of the mill computer issues (e.g. password reset, server issues, computer problems, installing new equipment) while security professionals had extensive experience with encryption, and securing data. From what we know so far, I would guess CWW is your standard IT guy who knew a lot about PCs, installing computer equipment and maintaining websites.

My point here is to offer an explanation as to why CWW failed to cover his tracks. IT and security are closely related fields, but require different skills. It is unclear whether CWW had more knowledge than the average joe regarding computer security measures and/or cell phone tracking (i.e. failure to avoid Walmart's extensive security system). Sure, it is possible that CWW had no clue about Walmart's cameras, but for some unsubstantiated reason I think he was aware, to an extent. Walmart's security cameras cover the parking lot area. Perhaps CWW did not know this and remained in the car while JR made the purchase. It would be very interesting to know what vehicle was driven to Walmart, LE surely knows. Maybe it was the van.

That being said, both a hammer and a jumpsuit could be obtained by other means with substantially less risk (e.g. small hardware store, JR's previous employer). So, what did these two need so badly from Walmart? My best guess is burner phone(s), prepaid cell phones that are not easily tracked to the purchaser/user, or money transfer services. I would assume that if either JW or CWW is on camera buying a hammer, jumpsuit, or anything that could be used to assist them in murdering TS, we would have seen 1st degree murder charges against at least one of two.

I didn't think of this. Great POV!

 

[LaneGirl]

I will agree with creeping skills re IT. I have a family member in a very specific role in IT. Everyone is always asking her to look at their laptop or pc however although she is very successful and makes great money she does not know everything about computers and security, only her window of expertise.

 

[Riversinthedesert]

Ah that actually makes sense if the case. I always wondered if it happened upon entry to the home because I know they carried out an interior type door as evidence

IIRC, the door taken into evidence by LE was the garage pedestrian door which appeared to be pried into. Many sleuthers were of the opinion that this was a staged break in.

 

[LvsAMystry]

IIRC, the door taken into evidence by LE was the garage pedestrian door which appeared to be pried into. Many sleuthers were of the opinion that this was a staged break in.

I may be wrong, the door I'm thinking of seemed thinner than what I'd imagine an exterior door would be, aka like I have on my garage to the yard, whereas this one was the standard white issue type door you'd see on the interior I thought but i very well may not have seen it correctly!

 

[creepingskills]

Here is my thought on that. We don't know if TS ever even made it into the house. (alive)

1. LE paid "A LOT" of attention to the van SHE was driving home from the airport. They even towed the van away, possibly to look for evidence. That makes me think that the perps were waiting for her in the garage, hiding somewhere as she drove in and closed the garage door behind her. I don't know where TS was found, but they could have took her in the house afterwards? That way there was no dogs to attack...? If Rodgers did indeed use a hammer, there could possibly be hit marks/dents on the van as well. just throwing this out as a possible scenario. As always MOO

2. Heck, one of the perps could have been hiding in her van that was parked at the airport for 2 weeks, and the other one in the garage? But I can't really see that happening if she had luggage, which she would have put in the van at the airport. Does anyone know what kind of van she had?

Did they corner her like a wild animal and ambush her? I sincerely hope not, but it being such a violent murder it makes literally makes me sick to my stomach to even think about.

Why else would LE take the Van????


We all here at WB have become extremely attached to Dr. Sievers, and her daughters as well as her siblings. WE want justice for TS. WE want to make sure that EVERYONE who is involved directly or indirectly in this vicious/brutal murder of this vibrant beautiful mother gets life in prison. Come to think of it, Florida is a death penalty State. :thinking:

CWW and JR aren't charged with 1st degree murder, so the death penalty isn't on the table at this point.

 

[creepingskills]

I may be wrong, the door I'm thinking of seemed thinner than what I'd imagine an exterior door would be, aka like I have on my garage to the yard, whereas this one was the standard white issue type door you'd see on the interior I thought but i very well may not have seen it correctly!

I also recall the removal of a door that wasn't the pedestrian door, it had a different handle than an exterior door IIRC. The door handle looked kind of like this ~ vs this o.

 

[wondering25]

That's a good theory, but I think the sound of someone being killed in the garage, would be heard by neighbours. It would be too risky, and they would also have to stage the break in and then take the body inside. This again IMO would be risky, and would track blood all over the place, from the garage and throughout the house.

I think they had keys to enter the house, and the crowbar break-in was staged (and would have to be done fairly quietly during the night when no one would observe them. The security system was turned off, so they had free reign of the house before Dr S arrived. MOO

My outside lights detect motion..they are apart from my security system. Did they not have motion lights outside? Does anyone know?

 

[Paulas88]

I may be wrong, the door I'm thinking of seemed thinner than what I'd imagine an exterior door would be, aka like I have on my garage to the yard, whereas this one was the standard white issue type door you'd see on the interior I thought but i very well may not have seen it correctly!

Most likely the door entering the house from the garage. If she was attacked immediately after entering.... maybe some blood spatter. (Oh dear)

 

[Riversinthedesert]

The murder weapon has NEVER been RELEASED by LE ​and as the Sheriff said, "until you've heard it from us, you haven't heard it".

My point precisely. We do not know. What do you think the chances are we will find out tomorrow night what the murder weapon was?

Mods must be bringing posts over from last week.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I would assume that if either JW or CWW is on camera buying a hammer, jumpsuit, or anything that could be used to assist them in murdering TS, we would have seen 1st degree murder charges against at least one of two.

RSBM

Florida's law only allows 1st degree murder charges to be brought by a grand jury. The lack of 1st degree charges at this time doesn't necessarily reflect anything about the evidence.

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[creepingskills]

RSBM

Florida's law only allows 1st degree murder charges to be brought by a grand jury. The lack of 1st degree charges at this time doesn't necessarily reflect anything about the evidence.

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I'm not understanding why the state wouldn't secure an indictment for first degree murder if they had evidence to support the charge. IMO, if LE had evidence to support first degree murder charges, a prosecutor would've presented it to a grand jury for indictment.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

The grand jury process is normally very slow. I don't think there's been enough time to get a grand jury indictment. Good question for the Sheriff, though... I'll add it to the list to ask him.

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[No it's not]

I also recall the removal of a door that wasn't the pedestrian door, it had a different handle than an exterior door IIRC. The door handle looked kind of like this ~ vs this o.

It's the same door. I have several enlarged pics from different videos, but this one shows it too, markers 1:07 (in a blink you will see the door handle) and 1:24

[video=youtube;Rr3yhwCQaNU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr3yhwCQaNU[/video]

-Nin

 

[atthelake]

I'm not understanding why the state wouldn't secure an indictment for first degree murder if they had evidence to support the charge. IMO, if LE had evidence to support first degree murder charges, a prosecutor would've presented it to a grand jury for indictment.

It is an active case...nowhere near complete :moo:

Using talk to text with lots of grammar errors !